The Case for Adelaide.....

[Bring back John Fifita]

depends which way your going. Perth to Sydney I do regularly in a snip under 4 hours. Coming back is usually around 4hrs 45min. Wind dependant.

Yep those winds up high have an enormous effect. I found the same roughly when I regularly used to to the trek a few years ago.

 

[MugaB]

Western Australia cannot rely on pokies thus leagues club funding is not existent, whats the rules in South Australia? Ive never been there and haven't heard if that's a similar situation there too

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Western Australia cannot rely on pokies thus leagues club funding is not existent, whats the rules in South Australia? Ive never been there and haven't heard if that's a similar situation there too

I'd love to see how much it would cost to build the infrastructure needed for teams in Adelaide and Perth to survive and generate a large enough supporter base to stay solvent, and how successful they would need to be on the field to maintain it. Once we have that information we will know whether Adelaide and Perth have a chance of getting their own teams.

 

[Perth Red]

You don't know it, but you're backing up my point. 10k down to 500 is a loss of 9,500 players. A 95% reduction. They obviously weren't long time followers of the sport if they abandoned it in such large numbers. That's the sort of "fan" the ARLC will attract in Perth. Fickle fence sitters who'll get on the bandwagon when the times are good, but will abandon ship the moment a wrench is thrown in the works. That means any club in Perth will need to be finishing in the top 4 every year to remain relevant. That will require the sort of investment that was made with the Storm to accrue the best talent scouts spread all over Australia, NZ, PNG and Fiji and, development officers, coaches, fitness and conditioning staff, etc. So it'll cost a lot more than $26M.

People on the Gold Coast and in Brisbane kept playing and watching RL when the Chargers and Crushers were booted. That's the difference between SEQ and Perth. Brisbane and Gold Coast are RL cities. Perth isn't.

AwFuL is twice as big in Perth now than in 1995. RU is there now and has been for some time. RL will be fighting for the scraps in the 2020s against 2 AwFuL juggernauts, an RU team heavily financed by Twiggy, cricket and popular clubs from niche sports like basketball, netball, and soccer.

arent you the person who keeps going on about the only reason afl is successful in nsw and qlnd was due to people there abondaning the game and going to afl? Or broncos dropping from 50k crowds to 30k crowds due to sl? You do talk some rubbish lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

arent you the person who keeps going on about the only reason afl is successful in nsw and qlnd was due to people there abondaning the game and going to afl? Or broncos dropping from 50k crowds to 30k crowds due to sl? You do talk some rubbish lol

There wasn't a 95% reduction in people playing RL in NSW and QLD.

AwFuL attendances and media coverage did see a rise in NSW and QLD during the fallout of the Super League War. Our attendances dropped significantly between 96-98. People resented the turmoil caused by News Ltd because it led to the demise of traditional clubs. It took years for the game to recover.

I've pointed out that in 1995 there were 56k people attending ARL games in Brisbane (35k Broncos, 21k Crushers), but that number dropped to just 19k for the Broncos when they became the sole team in SEQ, amid the fallout of the Super League War. Crowds for Brisbane have rebounded back to where they were before Super League, plus another 11k in 2019 attending games on the Gold Coast to see a team lose all the time. Crowds in Sydney are better than they were before Super League. This is a fact.

Brisbane Bears went from 10k in 95 to 18k in 96.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/1995.html
https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/1996.html
https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/2001.html
https://afltables.com/afl/crowds/brisbaneb.html
https://afltables.com/afl/crowds/brisbanel.html
https://afltables.com/afl/crowds/swans.html

 

[greenBV4]

Not to derail the thread

This thread has rails?

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

This thread has rails?

It’s more like a “Choose your own adventure” book..

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm always told we need to have teams in Adelaide and Perth because even the niche sports have one. Whenever I point out it costs far more to run an NRL club than an AIHL, NBL or A-LEAGUE club, making it extremely difficult for an NRL club in a non-RL city to raise the capital needed to survive, I am met with the sound of crickets. Now that I dare to use the NBL ans A-LEAGUE as an example to show how many neutrally branded clubs have folded, you say it's a furphy to compare the sports. WTF?

In the context of the argument it's utterly ridiculous to compare an NRL club to an NBL or A-league club when an NRL club is working with so much more money.

Most NBL and A-league club's have spent 90% of their existence just trying to scrape together enough money to get by for another year, and by their very nature that means they exist in an extremely volatile market.
Meanwhile in the NRL they have billion dollar tv contracts, the clubs are underwritten by $13mil, their governing body can afford to bail them out if things get too bad, they get way more free exposure, etc, etc, etc, so comparatively they exist in a much more stable market than the NBL or A-league clubs.

Also correlation doesn't equal causation, and so far you haven't shown any evidence that a major contributing factor in those clubs folding was their neutral brands, where over our multiple interactions I have given you undeniable examples where the history connected to old brands has directly negatively effected clubs or concepts for clubs; the response in Sydney and England to any SL concept or merger idea ever, the actual mergers (particularly Wests and Northern), the Vikings, Port Adelaide, and there're others I'm forgetting.

BTW, I can't be arsed reading the rest of your post lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

In the context of the argument it's utterly ridiculous to compare an NRL club to an NBL or A-league club when an NRL club is working with so much more money.

I've been stating that for months whenever the Perth Wildcats, Perth Glory, Adelaide 36s and Adelaide FC are used by others on here as reason to put an NRL club in those cities.

Most NBL and A-league club's have spent 90% of their existence just trying to scrape together enough money to get by for another year, and by their very nature that means they exist in an extremely volatile market.
Meanwhile in the NRL they have billion dollar tv contracts, the clubs are underwritten by $13mil, their governing body can afford to bail them out if things get too bad, they get way more free exposure, etc, etc, etc, so comparatively they exist in a much more stable market than the NBL or A-league clubs.

This is bullshit.

An NRL club in Adelaide or Perth would probably get less exposure than the Wildcats, Glory, 36s and Adelaide FC because RL is a minority sport in SA and a tiny niche sport in WA. An NRL side in Adelaide or Perth would be competing directly with AwFuL for media coverage and sponsorship in markets that aren't as lucrative to advertisers as Queensland, NSW and Victoria. There are retailers who don't even bother setting up stores in SA and WA due to their smaller size.

@Perth Red has made it clear that an NRL club needs $25M-$35M per season just to compete. The $13M grant only leaves $4M to play spend on the football department once player salaries are paid. Where's the other $12M-$22M going to come from to bankroll clubs in Adelaide and Perth?

Pirates are stuck with a failing retailer, Cash Converters, whose value has plummeted since online traders like eBay, Amazon and Gumtree has made them redundant. That company wasn't able to keep the Reds in the black when pawnbrokers were raking in the money in 95.

Teams in Adelaide and Perth will need to invest in state of the art facilities to keep their players up to standard with the other clubs and have talent scouts all over NSW, QLD, NZ, Fiji and PNG to source 95%-100% of their players. That's a lot of money. Money that Peter V'landys said will not be wasted on "rusted on AFL states".

You're kidding yourself if you think the pro-AwFuL media in Adelaide and Perth will give free exposure to the NRL. Games will be on 9Gem and news coverage on their main channels will be limited or not even reported.

Melbourne Storm got bugger all media coverage and still don't. Why do you think they racked up over $100M in debt just trying to survive between 98-12?

Also correlation doesn't equal causation, and so far you haven't shown any evidence that a major contributing factor in those clubs folding was their neutral brands, where over our multiple interactions I have given you undeniable examples where the history connected to old brands has directly negatively effected clubs or concepts for clubs; the response in Sydney and England to any SL concept or merger idea ever, the actual mergers (particularly Wests and Northern), the Vikings, Port Adelaide, and there're others I'm forgetting.

BTW, I can't be arsed reading the rest of your post lol.

The only example you've provided is the Vikings. Port Adelaide are doing well. The Magpies/Tigers and Dragons/Steelers mergers are far more successful than these teams were as stand alone clubs in the mid-90s. Before they merged they were drawing as few as 6k-8k to their games.

If neutral brands in the NBL and A-League cannot survive, despite needing far less capital to field a team in markets that have an active player base for those sports, how do you think NRL teams in Adelaide and Perth will fare in markets that have a very tiny player base and will need 5-10 times as much capital to survive?

Brisbane Lions and Sydney Swans make a mockery of your claim.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

A-League vs NRL vs AwFuL vs NBL

Brisbane Broncos

BRISBANE BRONCOS LIMITED has 150 total employees across all of its locations and generates $25.53 million in sales (USD). There are 120 companies in the BRISBANE BRONCOS LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.e61070df81902b557ea60f0af2505141.html

BRISBANE BRONCOS MANAGEMENT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. has 150 employees at this location and generates $18.58 million in sales (USD). There are 120 companies in the BRISBANE BRONCOS MANAGEMENT CORPORATION PTY. LTD. corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...pty_ltd.3cf872a1d7b94ed674bd1c31d3e7a0e1.html

BRISBANE BRONCOS RUGBY LEAGUE CLUB LIMITED has 50 total employees across all of its locations and generates $17.17 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.0e5a42b3b02134934d9c61768434ca99.html

BRISBANE BRONCOS CORPORATION PTY LTD has 120 employees at this location and generates $45.73 million in sales (USD). There are 120 companies in the BRISBANE BRONCOS CORPORATION PTY LTD corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...pty_ltd.fe5bf41d20f0777bbd88fa77327c2287.html

The Trustee for BRISBANE BRONCOS CORPORATION TRUST has 8 total employees across all of its locations and generates $4.45 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...n_trust.aba30e3e844068abf7f11d87318e827e.html

BRISBANE BRONCOS LEAGUES CLUB LIMITED has 76 employees at this location and generates $10.66 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.9e3c2044ea546a1d6e81cfb28ac4d83d.html

Total
$122,120,000 (USD)

BRISBANE LIONS AFC PTY LTD has 125 employees at this location and generates $38.48 million in sales (USD). There are 4 companies in the BRISBANE LIONS AFC PTY LTD corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...pty_ltd.8d97256278577cf93cdcd177fdbc6979.html

BRISBANE ROAR FOOTBALL CLUB PTY LIMITED has 29 total employees across all of its locations and generates $19.01 million in sales (USD). There are 2 companies in the BRISBANE ROAR FOOTBALL CLUB PTY LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.f5a0b9971c0e946295a65e8bba7d418a.html

BRISBANE BULLETS BASKETBALL PTY LTD has 20 total employees across all of its locations and generates $3.44 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the BRISBANE BULLETS BASKETBALL PTY LTD corporate family.

PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED has 181 employees at this location and generates $39.37 million in sales (USD). There are 2 companies in the PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.25baa9c87b11487406622db286589445.html

ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED has 121 employees at this location and generates $39.29 million in sales (USD). There are 7 companies in the ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.100600c568ff4463ef77f986b5785377.html

ADELAIDE UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB PTY LIMITED has 44 employees at this location and generates $6.51 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the ADELAIDE UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB PTY LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.551a8bab30a80b1b40fe89feebdbb67f.html

ADELAIDE 36ERS INC. has 4 employees at this location and generates $112,068 in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...ers_inc.c61dccb4c5ea5554e34f3ce5f49a010a.html

MELBOURNE STORM RUGBY LEAGUE CLUB LIMITED has 160 employees at this location and generates $18.01 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.9108cbf3dd53a9e59c905558c1cfce47.html

MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED has 153 employees at this location and generates $32.80 million in sales (USD). There are 2 companies in the MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.4f642a9f5e79928971f7887fce157b3d.html

MELBOURNE VICTORY LTD has 23 employees at this location and generates $16.25 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...ory_ltd.0b32b923f0f86d88874eca2155a58a7e.html

MELBOURNE UNITED BASKETBALL CLUB PTY LTD has 25 employees at this location and generates $4.46 million in sales (USD). There are 2 companies in the MELBOURNE UNITED BASKETBALL CLUB PTY LTD corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...pty_ltd.6de48ddb18d52f894b807a9f669c806e.html

INDIAN PACIFIC LIMITED (West Coast Eagles) has 174 employees at this location and generates $59.84 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the INDIAN PACIFIC LIMITED corporate family

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.392f0ebe20cf860ca4c1e1802c74eb18.html

FREMANTLE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED has 179 total employees across all of its locations and generates $39.05 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the FREMANTLE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.1782fbc587943260601590505b31d6ad.html

OKEWOOD PTY LTD (Perth Glory) has 20 employees at this location and generates $6.30 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the OKEWOOD PTY LTD corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...pty_ltd.1812cc4ce71cfebbc3c80df409c50f7e.html

PERTH WILDCATS BASKETBALL CLUB INC has 4 employees at this location and generates $1.33 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...lub_inc.24622085a72e8647eeb85af05bcdd6b5.html

CANBERRA DISTRICT RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED has 7 employees at this location and generates $53.40 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the CANBERRA DISTRICT RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.4f71e7942a4cb2a9fef8e7b43bb6338f.html

CANBERRA RAIDERS LEAGUES' CLUB (SOUTHSIDE) LIMITED has 55 employees at this location and generates $5.15 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.6079a49ef4719570f27babf198150609.html

PENRITH RUGBY LEAGUE CLUB LTD has 630 employees at this location and generates $98.40 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the PENRITH RUGBY LEAGUE CLUB LTD corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...lub_ltd.33e1794f4da0f81e81e10a28a4e47109.html

CANTERBURY BANKSTOWN BULLDOGS RUGBY LEAGUE CLUB LIMITED has 60 total employees across all of its locations and generates $80.05 million in sales (USD). There are 2 companies in the CANTERBURY BANKSTOWN BULLDOGS RUGBY LEAGUE CLUB LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.68707e420c868047a68527323f51e8d0.html

COWBOYS RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL LIMITED has 450 employees at this location and generates $23.83 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.74a3102787645cac53d89c75489d22c7.html

COWBOYS LEAGUES CLUB LIMITED has 135 employees at this location and generates $36.71 million in sales (USD). There are 2 companies in the COWBOYS LEAGUES CLUB LIMITED corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.4d3ee09785e6531109712b41e5f80978.html

TITANS RUGBY LEAGUE PTY LTD has 93 employees at this location and generates $9.50 million in sales (USD). There are 2 companies in the TITANS RUGBY LEAGUE PTY LTD corporate family.

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...pty_ltd.8989e583178637f0bca62b4c0f077e5e.html

EASTERN SUBURBS DISTRICT RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED (Sydney Roosters) has 165 employees at this location and generates $51.26 million in sales (USD).

https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...limited.d17219124032da5cf8928fb38dead4a4.html

 

[mongoose]

It’s more like a “Choose your own adventure” book..

Edward Packard was a literary genius.

 

[Travitoh]

The key to an NRL team succeeding in Adelaide will be not competing directly with AFL. There is plenty of cross-code interest here amongst the population that would support the game here as long as they didn't feel their AFL clubs were threatened.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The key to an NRL team succeeding in Adelaide will be not competing directly with AFL. There is plenty of cross-code interest here amongst the population that would support the game here as long as they didn't feel their AFL clubs were threatened.

How much money would they be able to rake in from sponsors?

Gold Coast only make $9.5M ($US) and have struggled at the foot of the ladder for the bulk of the last decade. They have a large catchment area to recruit players from, which eases things quite a bit, but the lack of money to spend has really hurt their ability to succeed on the field. Public support for them has plummeted due to their abysmal on field performance. The NRL grant provides an extra $4M ($AU) $3.04M ($US) to spend on football operations after player salaries are taken out of the equation, so they're running on $12.54M ($US) a year, which obviously isn't enough to keep up with the rest of the clubs. Cowboys are making $23.83M ($US) from their football team and another $36.71M ($US) from their Leagues club.

NRL clubs are hiring a shit load of people to work behind the scenes in their football department.

The Cowboys have 450 employees. Storm hires 160 employees and make just $18.01 ($US) in sales, which puts them behind the Cowboys by a long way, despite their on field success. It goes a long way to explaining why the Storm ran up $100M ($AU) in debt between 98-12, which they could afford because they were owned by News Ltd, who had a 50% stake in the game and could safeguard them from getting booted. News Ltd could afford to spend big as they're loaded and, they needed to spend big to put a strong team on the field, because, that's what was needed for them to make a small dent in the Melbourne market.

Adelaide and Perth won't have any of these advantages, so they most likely have a small number of employees. Gold Coast struggle with just 93 employees and a large catchment area within their vicinity to draw players from. Adelaide and Perth won't have this advantage.

I cannot see how Adelaide and Perth will be able to spend like Melbourne during their first 15 years to provide the on field success needed to make a dent in those markets, which have 4 juggernaut AwFuL teams who'll be competing with them directly for media coverage, sponsorship and public support during the winter months. Both clubs will need to employ scouts and send them all over Australia, NZ, PNG and Fiji to recruit all of their players. That costs money that they won't have.

 

[mongoose]

How much money would they be able to rake in from sponsors?

Gold Coast only make $9.5M ($US) and have struggled at the foot of the ladder for the bulk of the last decade. They have a large catchment area to recruit players from, which eases things quite a bit, but the lack of money to spend has really hurt their ability to succeed on the field. Public support for them has plummeted due to their abysmal on field performance. The NRL grant provides an extra $4M ($AU) $3.04M ($US) to spend on football operations after player salaries are taken out of the equation, so they're running on $12.54M ($US) a year, which obviously isn't enough to keep up with the rest of the clubs. Cowboys are making $23.83M ($US) from their football team and another $36.71M ($US) from their Leagues club.

NRL clubs are hiring a shit load of people to work behind the scenes in their football department.

The Cowboys have 450 employees. Storm hires 160 employees and make just $18.01 ($US) in sales, which puts them behind the Cowboys by a long way, despite their on field success. It goes a long way to explaining why the Storm ran up $100M ($AU) in debt between 98-12, which they could afford because they were owned by News Ltd, who had a 50% stake in the game and could safeguard them from getting booted. News Ltd could afford to spend big as they're loaded and, they needed to spend big to put a strong team on the field, because, that's what was needed for them to make a small dent in the Melbourne market.

Adelaide and Perth won't have any of these advantages, so they most likely have a small number of employees. Gold Coast struggle with just 93 employees and a large catchment area within their vicinity to draw players from. Adelaide and Perth won't have this advantage.

I cannot see how Adelaide and Perth will be able to spend like Melbourne during their first 15 years to provide the on field success needed to make a dent in those markets, which have 4 juggernaut AwFuL teams who'll be competing with them directly for media coverage, sponsorship and public support during the winter months. Both clubs will need to employ scouts and send them all over Australia, NZ, PNG and Fiji to recruit all of their players. That costs money that they won't have.

None of this makes sense or is relevant to his post and why are you converting the amounts to US dollars?

 

[Perth Red]

All that shows is revenue, show us the bottom line. LC’s for example end up with very little profit by time they’ve paid the taxes and other costs. If you can’t afford to put much into the nrl club, which many seemingly struggle with, revenue isn’t a good measure.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

None of this makes sense or is relevant to his post and why are you converting the amounts to US dollars?

The figures were recorded and published in US dollars. I couldn't be f**ked converting them to AU dollars.

It doesn't make any sense to you because you refuse to accept any evidence that proves Adelaide and Perth are unable to raise the capital needed to compete in the NRL.

The evidence explains why Adelaide and Perth can field teams in AwFuL, NBL and A-League but not in the NRL. Look at the Adelaide 36ERS (US$112,068) vs Brisbane Bullets (US$3.44M) and Adelaide United (US$6.51M vs Brisbane Roar (US$19.01M) and you see that Adelaide doesn't have the money. It's all tied up with the Port Adelaide Power and Adelaide Crows.

I brought up the Titans because they're the NRL's biggest basketcase. Titans struggle with US$9.5M, which is more than Adelaide United and Adelaide 36ers combined.

You were saying the other day that Adelaide or Perth will only need as much money as the Titans.

Where will an Adelaide or Perth NRL team get US$9.5m?

Titans are a great comparison because they don't have a Leagues Club. Neither will the West Coast Pirates.

An Adelaide NRL team will only be able to have up to 40 gaming machines, and only if they are based at a major sporting venue or the HQ of NRLSA.

https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/business-and-trade/gambling/gaming-licences/gaming-machine-licence

So Adelaide might be more viable than Perth, but only if the SA Gov agree to build them a major sports venue, which is highly unlikely.

 

[Travitoh]

So Adelaide might be more viable than Perth, but only if the SA Gov agree to build them a major sports venue, which is highly unlikely.

Like the multi-sport complex that has already been proposed for the riverbank?
Adelaide United are desperate for a new stadium. A tenant to occupy it in the winter will only make a new stadium much more likely, if it doesn't lock it in.

Comparing Adelaide and Perth to Gold Coast as viable sporting markets is ridiculous. GC is a perennial failure/struggler in most if not all sporting codes. Compared to Adelaide and Perth who have strong sporting franchises despite the sizes of the cities.

A start up expansion team in either city will need assistance from the NRL but so did/does the AFL expansion markets and they seem to be doing ok financially. It's an investment into making the N in NRL actually stand for something when selling rights to broadcasters.

 

[mongoose]

The figures were recorded and published in US dollars. I couldn't be f**ked converting them to AU dollars.

It doesn't make any sense to you because you refuse to accept any evidence that proves Adelaide and Perth are unable to raise the capital needed to compete in the NRL.

The evidence explains why Adelaide and Perth can field teams in AwFuL, NBL and A-League but not in the NRL. Look at the Adelaide 36ERS (US$112,068) vs Brisbane Bullets (US$3.44M) and Adelaide United (US$6.51M vs Brisbane Roar (US$19.01M) and you see that Adelaide doesn't have the money. It's all tied up with the Port Adelaide Power and Adelaide Crows.

I brought up the Titans because they're the NRL's biggest basketcase. Titans struggle with US$9.5M, which is more than Adelaide United and Adelaide 36ers combined.

You were saying the other day that Adelaide or Perth will only need as much money as the Titans.

Where will an Adelaide or Perth NRL team get US$9.5m?

Titans are a great comparison because they don't have a Leagues Club. Neither will the West Coast Pirates.

An Adelaide NRL team will only be able to have up to 40 gaming machines, and only if they are based at a major sporting venue or the HQ of NRLSA.

https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/business-and-trade/gambling/gaming-licences/gaming-machine-licence

So Adelaide might be more viable than Perth, but only if the SA Gov agree to build them a major sports venue, which is highly unlikely.

Adelaide or Perth will probably have to look at private ownership model at some point, which is currently how the Titans, Storm, Sea Eagles, Rabbitohs, Warriors (not sure about them?) are funded. I think the Rabbitohs and your whipping boys Storm actually make a profit for their owners. The others are a work in progress I guess...

Not every team is backed by Leagues clubs though.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Like the multi-sport complex that has already been proposed for the riverbank?
Adelaide United are desperate for a new stadium. A tenant to occupy it in the winter will only make a new stadium much more likely, if it doesn't lock it in.

Comparing Adelaide and Perth to Gold Coast as viable sporting markets is ridiculous. GC is a perennial failure/struggler in most if not all sporting codes. Compared to Adelaide and Perth who have strong sporting franchises despite the sizes of the cities.

A start up expansion team in either city will need assistance from the NRL but so did/does the AFL expansion markets and they seem to be doing ok financially. It's an investment into making the N in NRL actually stand for something when selling rights to broadcasters.

Any NRL team from Adelaide would need to team up with Adelaide United to acquire a liquor and gaming machine licence.

More than one gaming machine licence may be held for separate parts of a premises if there are also separate liquor licences. In the case of clubs, two or more clubs may hold a gaming machine licence on the same premises if each one also holds their own liquor licence for that premises.

https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/business-and-trade/gambling/gaming-licences/gaming-machine-licence
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@mongoose said it was better to compare Adelaide and Perth with Gold Coast than Melbourne.

There's no evidence that Adelaide and Perth are better suited than the Gold Coast to support an NRL club.

The NRL will not provide financial assistance to teams in Adelaide and Perth. Peter V'landys made it clear on a couple of occasions that no money will be spent on teams in SA and WA.

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[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Adelaide or Perth will probably have to look at private ownership model at some point, which is currently how the Titans, Storm, Sea Eagles, Rabbitohs, Warriors (not sure about them?) are funded. I think the Rabbitohs and your whipping boys Storm actually make a profit for their owners. The others are a work in progress I guess...

Not every team is backed by Leagues clubs though.

Melbourne Storm are making a profit now, after 20 years of racking up a massive debt, to the tune of $126.5M, to get them where they are right now. You think Adelaide and Perth will enter the NRL and either survive on private investment, which is ridiculous. The Storm racked up $100M debt by 2012. If it wasn't for them being owned by a mega rich company like News Ltd, who had a 50% stake in the game, giving them the ability to protect Melbourne from having their licence revoked, then they would have folded years ago.

There is no News Ltd around to give these leg ups to Adelaide and Perth.

Why do you think Adelaide and Perth will not require the same assistance as the Storm?