The Children Overboard issue develops

[King of the Hill]

she's IMO the worst Journo about with the exception of that vacuous Regidore woman in the tele

:lol:
Caroline Regidor
She's a shocker
None of her lame articles ever have a point
I hope she isnt getting paid a salary, because the work experience kids could do a better job

 

[JK]

Side note
Miranda Devine now works for the SMH

YEAH 20TH PAGE BABYYY

No wonder the circulation is falling :?

 

[JK]

I think you'll be disappointed.

I think they will put on the blinkers again.

 

[Jimbo]

Again, for the left...

SIEV 4 sank after it was sabotaged. 76 children ended up in the middle of the ocean as a result.

'Do you deny this?'

Read this:
http://www.defence.gov.au/cdf/statement2.cfm

Yeah I know, it's not Miranda Devine's column but give it a go....

Tell where it says the SIEV 4 was sabotaged.

Tell me it's conclusions regarding children being thrown overboard.

I think you'll be disappointed.

Among the chest-beating that no lives were lost during the operation, he says:

"ON THE NIGHT OF 6 OCTOBER 2001, HMAS ADELAIDE INTERCEPTED SIEV 4. YOU HAVE HEARD EVIDENCE ABOUT THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS FROM OTHERS. I PROPOSE FOR THE INFORMATION OF THIS COMMITTEE TO SUMMARISE THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH ME.

DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS, THE CAPTAIN AND CREW OF THE ADELAIDE PERFORMED GALLANT WORK IN RESCUING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM THE SEA"

THis would be the 76 children I referred to. The 'sequence of events' detailing how they got there is summarised pretty well in Devine's article.

"HE SAID THAT THE MINISTER HAD CONNECTED THE PHOTOGRAPHS TO CHILDREN BEING THROWN OVERBOARD ON 7 OCTOBER WHEN THEY DID NOT RELATE TO THAT EVENT."

So there was an event where children were throwm overboard. Just not this one?

 

[mickdo]

Among the chest-beating that no lives were lost during the operation, he says:

"ON THE NIGHT OF 6 OCTOBER 2001, HMAS ADELAIDE INTERCEPTED SIEV 4. YOU HAVE HEARD EVIDENCE ABOUT THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS FROM OTHERS. I PROPOSE FOR THE INFORMATION OF THIS COMMITTEE TO SUMMARISE THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH ME.

DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS, THE CAPTAIN AND CREW OF THE ADELAIDE PERFORMED GALLANT WORK IN RESCUING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM THE SEA"

THis would be the 76 children I referred to. The 'sequence of events' detailing how they got there is summarised pretty well in Devine's article.

"HE SAID THAT THE MINISTER HAD CONNECTED THE PHOTOGRAPHS TO CHILDREN BEING THROWN OVERBOARD ON 7 OCTOBER WHEN THEY DID NOT RELATE TO THAT EVENT."

So there was an event where children were throwm overboard. Just not this one?

Quite amusing... take one quote out of context (he was referring to the early stages when the false reports of kids being thrown overboard were around), and ignore the subsequent, more important one...

AS THE MATERIAL DID NOT SATISFACTORILY RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES IN MY MIND ON THE EVENING OF SUNDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2002 I ARRANGED THROUGH MARITIME COMMAND IN SYDNEY FOR THE SHIP TO TELEPHONE ME. I THEN SPOKE TO CMDR BANKS.

WE DISCUSSED THE EVENTS OF 7 OCTOBER 2001, AND HE INFORMED ME THAT HE WAS SURE THAT NO CHILD HAD BEEN THROWN OVERBOARD. I QUESTIONED HIM CLOSELY TO TEST THE BASIS FOR HIS ASSURANCE.

UPON THE BASIS OF THIS CONVERSATION WHICH PUT TO REST THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD ABOUT THE WRITTEN MATERIAL, I WAS CONVINCED THAT, DESPITE THE INITIAL REPORTS TO THE CONTRARY, IN FACT NO CHILD HAD BEEN THROWN INTO THE WATER FROM SIEV 4 ON 7 OCTOBER 2001.


The other 'event' referred to was when the children were photographed in the water because their boat had sunk, a day later on October 8th.

 

[Jimbo]

AS THE MATERIAL DID NOT SATISFACTORILY RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES IN MY MIND ON THE EVENING OF SUNDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2002 I ARRANGED THROUGH MARITIME COMMAND IN SYDNEY FOR THE SHIP TO TELEPHONE ME. I THEN SPOKE TO CMDR BANKS.

So the CDF himself didn't know for sure until 24/2/02, some 3 1/2 months after the election?

 

[JK]

I THEN SPOKE TO CMDR BANKS.

CMDR BANKS??

I thought he was called 'el banks' or comrade banks!

Do you mean he is a commander in the australian navy and not a socialist agent after all???? :shock:

No wonder the Lefties feel his evidence is worthy of note.

 

[Jimbo]

AS THE MATERIAL DID NOT SATISFACTORILY RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES IN MY MIND ON THE EVENING OF SUNDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2002 I ARRANGED THROUGH MARITIME COMMAND IN SYDNEY FOR THE SHIP TO TELEPHONE ME. I THEN SPOKE TO CMDR BANKS.

So the CDF himself didn't know for sure until 24/2/02, some 3 1/2 months after the election?

Nobody wants to touch this one? Okay then...

 

[mickdo]

AS THE MATERIAL DID NOT SATISFACTORILY RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES IN MY MIND ON THE EVENING OF SUNDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2002 I ARRANGED THROUGH MARITIME COMMAND IN SYDNEY FOR THE SHIP TO TELEPHONE ME. I THEN SPOKE TO CMDR BANKS.

So the CDF himself didn't know for sure until 24/2/02, some 3 1/2 months after the election?

Unlike the PM, who had been informed directly.

 

[Jimbo]

AS THE MATERIAL DID NOT SATISFACTORILY RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES IN MY MIND ON THE EVENING OF SUNDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2002 I ARRANGED THROUGH MARITIME COMMAND IN SYDNEY FOR THE SHIP TO TELEPHONE ME. I THEN SPOKE TO CMDR BANKS.

So the CDF himself didn't know for sure until 24/2/02, some 3 1/2 months after the election?

Unlike the PM, who had been informed directly.

By whom? If the CDF didn't find out until 3 1/2 months down the track, how did Prime Minister Howard deliberately mislead the Australian public in November?

 

[mickdo]

I see you also ignored this bit...

ON MONDAY 12 NOVEMBER I SPOKE BRIEFLY TO AIRMSHL HOUSTON ABOUT A RANGE OF MATTERS, SOME OF WHICH HAD ARISEN WHILE HE WAS ACTING CDF. HE CEASED TO BE ACTING CDF ON 8 NOVEMBER WHEN GENERAL COSGROVE TOOK OVER. I RESUMED THIS DUTY FROM THE LATTER ON 10 NOVEMBER.

AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS, WE DISCUSSED SIEV 4. HE BRIEFED ME ABOUT ADMIRAL SHACKLETON'S MEDIA STATEMENTS ON 8 NOVEMBER. HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT ON THE PREVIOUS DAY, HE HAD ADVISED MINISTER REITH THAT, IN HIS OPINION, CHILDREN HAD NOT BEEN THROWN OVERBOARD. OUR CONVERSATION ON THIS LATTER ISSUE WAS BRIEF. WE DID NOT DISCUSS THE BASIS OF HIS ADVICE TO THE MINISTER.

 

[Jimbo]

WE DID NOT DISCUSS THE BASIS OF HIS ADVICE TO THE MINISTER.

Probably because it was the opinion of someone who wasn't even there, made in passing.

So now it's Peter Reith that's the liar then, eh?

 

[mickdo]

And this...

PRIOR TO MY DEPARTURE (AND POSSIBLY ON 17TH OCTOBER) I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE MINISTER IN WHICH I INFORMED HIM THAT I HAD BEEN TOLD BY CN AND COMAST THERE WERE DOUBTS ABOUT WHETHER CHILDREN HAD EVER BEEN THROWN OVER THE SIDE OF SIEV 4. I SAID TO HIM THE DOUBTS SEEMED TO BE BASED ON WHAT THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWED OR DID NOT SHOW, AND AN INCONCLUSIVE VIDEO. I SAID THAT I HAD INDICATED TO THEM MY POSITION WAS THAT UNTIL EVIDENCE WAS PRODUCED TO SHOW THE INITIAL REPORT TO ME WAS WRONG, I WOULD STAND BY IT. AS AT THAT DATE NO FURTHER EVIDENCE HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO ME

 

[mickdo]

Stop trying to move the goalposts Jimbo. Howard was told by Scrafton. When Cosgrove or anyone else told him anything is not the issue.

 

[Jimbo]

This whole report contains third hand information and heresay from people who weren't there.

Divine's article contains quotes from people describing in some detail how the boats were scuttled.

Do the math.

 

[mickdo]

This whole report contains third hand information and heresay from people who weren't there.

Divine's article contains quotes from people describing in some detail how the boats were scuttled.

Do the math.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[King of the Hill]

Why didnt Scrafton say this to the media at the time?

 

[mickdo]

Well duh, because he would have lost his job

 

[King of the Hill]

I disagree

 

[mickdo]

You would