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The Children Overboard issue develops

Anonymous

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Yeah, but they're only high ranking military officers... and therefore untrustworthy rabble.
You'd never believe them ahead of honest John.
 

ibeme

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millersnose said:
oh some more hearsay evidence

should kick this thread along another 10 pages

Howard's evidence against is that his senior staff couldn't recall him telling them that Scrafton had mentioned the photos during the phone call. They only recall him mentioning that they'd spoke about the video.

We have one man's word against another.

We have one lot of hearsay against another.

We know that the information fed to the public at the time was incorrect.
 

Mong

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Front page of the Courier Mail makes for interesting reading this morning.. i am sure its on other papers as well.. to lazy to check though :lol:
 

millersnose

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2 episodes

he changed his story regarding the boat people

he cant have been telling the truth both times

and he said he had downloaded 1300 porn piccies as research for his children
 

Anonymous

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millersnose said:
2 episodes

he changed his story regarding the boat people

he cant have been telling the truth both times

and he said he had downloaded 1300 porn piccies as research for his children
Someone's porno habits/research isn't relevant to this.

Did he change his story regarding Siev 4....?
If so... source?
 

0neye

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Scrafton doesn’t seem to be motivated by helping Labor. His aim seems to be hurting Howard.

Well, we all know the Ministerial Code of Conduct is a work of fiction. As the author of it Howard can wipe his bum with it and nobody can do anything.
 

millersnose

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Willow said:
millersnose said:
2 episodes

he changed his story regarding the boat people

he cant have been telling the truth both times

and he said he had downloaded 1300 porn piccies as research for his children
Someone's porno habits/research isn't relevant to this.


it shows a pattern of dishonesty

he lied in an official capacity

Did he change his story regarding Siev 4....?
If so... source?

lets ask scrafton

Mr Scrafton, who retired from the public service in December 2003, said last night that at the time of the PM&C inquiry conducted by Jennifer Bryant in late 2001, the question of children overboard was highly political.

"The Government did not want me to talk about what I knew. Another consideration for me was that the Howard Government had just won another three years in office. I was a public servant with a mortgage. What public servant in my position in their right mind would have told somebody like Jenny Bryant that the Prime Minister may have misled the country at the Press Club.

"Given the constraints I was working under, I said as much as I thought I could to Jennifer Bryant."

so he was less than honest with the inquiry by his own admission



this man has only be involved in the public limelight twice

once for lying about downloading porn on government property

and once for - by his own admission - misleading an inquiry and then later changing his story

mr howard has been in the public gaze on many thousands of occasions and the best the left can come up with is a GST policy change


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10466707%5E421,00.html
 

0neye

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Supporting a new children overboard inquiry will blow up in Labor Leader Mark Latham's face, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said.

The Senate was expected to launch a fresh inquiry into the children overboard affair when it sits on Monday and Tuesday for the final time before the October 9 federal election.

The inquiry is likely to take evidence from former public servant Mike Scrafton who has said he told Prime Minister John Howard before the 2001 election that evidence did not support claims children were thrown off a refugee boat by their parents.

Mr Downer said reconvening the inquiry was part of attempts by Mr Latham to smear and denigrate Mr Howard.

"Look, we all know the opposition parties hold a majority on the Senate committee, everybody knows that," Mr Downer told reporters.

"This isn't an objective inquiry... this is a political stunt in order to continue with Mr Latham's smear and denigration of the prime minister.

"And look, it's my own judgment, but I think this will blow up in his own face."

Mr Downer criticised Mr Latham for accusing Mr Howard of being dishonest.

"I think it shows a certain degree of contempt for the Australian people that apparently an election campaign can be fought on just the leader of the opposition going around accusing other people of being liars," he said.

Mr Downer said Australia's alliance with the United States would be an issue during the election campaign.

"The Labor Party is equivocal on the American alliance," he said.

"I think that is an issue and I think we will continue to draw that to the attention of the Australia public
:clap: :clap: :clap:
 

Snoop

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The same Mr. Downer who had the US scratching their heads over his view on when the ANZUS treaty may or may not apply?

Oh, and many Australian people would like to know the truth about a lot of things this government has done.
 

Anonymous

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millersnose said:
Willow said:
millersnose said:
2 episodes

he changed his story regarding the boat people

he cant have been telling the truth both times

and he said he had downloaded 1300 porn piccies as research for his children
Someone's porno habits/research isn't relevant to this.


it shows a pattern of dishonesty

he lied in an official capacity

Did he change his story regarding Siev 4....?
If so... source?

lets ask scrafton

Mr Scrafton, who retired from the public service in December 2003, said last night that at the time of the PM&C inquiry conducted by Jennifer Bryant in late 2001, the question of children overboard was highly political.

"The Government did not want me to talk about what I knew. Another consideration for me was that the Howard Government had just won another three years in office. I was a public servant with a mortgage. What public servant in my position in their right mind would have told somebody like Jenny Bryant that the Prime Minister may have misled the country at the Press Club.

"Given the constraints I was working under, I said as much as I thought I could to Jennifer Bryant."

so he was less than honest with the inquiry by his own admission



this man has only be involved in the public limelight twice

once for lying about downloading porn on government property

and once for - by his own admission - misleading an inquiry and then later changing his story

mr howard has been in the public gaze on many thousands of occasions and the best the left can come up with is a GST policy change


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10466707%5E421,00.html

Millers, from your own source, it sounds like Scrafton was being got to. He was gagged and then gave as much as he dared to Bryant.

Also from your own source, the PM has the following account:
Mr Howard said yesterday Mr Scrafton had told an internal inquiry conducted by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet in December 2001 that the Adelaide video tape had been "inconclusive".

"Inconclusive" and yet he made definite conclusions to the Australian public. A lie? Or was he just telling people what he wanted them to hear?
 

Anonymous

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lol. It's getting more than messy now...

Jimbo said:
As I said, it's an official report from a Government Senator. Hardly 'pub talk' :lol:

Or can we just assume the Senator is a liar too, because he's a Liberal?

Jimbo, you may recall how much stick you put in Senator Brandis's contribution to the Senate Report.

According to another Liberal, your champion thinks Howard is a liar too. In fact, worst than a liar... a 'Lying rodent'. :shock:

'Lying rodent' claim exposes children overboard rift
Tuesday, August 31, 2004

Local Queensland branch chairman Russell Galt has signed a statutory declaration saying Liberal Senator George Brandis described the Prime Minister as a "lying rodent" last year.

Mr Galt also claims Senator Brandis said that he had been forced to cover for John Howard in the children overboard affair.

Senator Brandis says he has been wrongly accused of attacking the Prime Minister.

"My response to his assertions is emphatic and unambiguous," he said.

"I can assure you that no such statements have been made by me to Mr Galt or to anyone."

Senator Brandis has signed a statutory declaration denying he called the Prime Minister a "lying rodent".


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200408/s1189276.htm

So who is telling the truth? Is Russell Galt a liar? Because he's a Liberal?
 

Anonymous

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So is the PM millers.
According to some, there is a "pattern of dishonesty" about Howard.
What do you think of Russell Galt's comments?
 

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