The Comic Book Film Thread *** SPOILERS ***

[shiznit]

you've never watched these guys before?

Nahh... I’ve never seen of there stuff before...

TBH i usually read reviews.... I’ll read a selection of reviews from RT... good and bad...

If I watch a video review it will be a quick one like IGN.

I tried watching Kevin Smith’s review of Ragnarok a week or so ago but just couldn’t get past the first 5mins...

 

[gUt]

If you've seen the Mr Plinkett reviews then you know how funny and sharp these guys can be. Half in the bag is mostly quite serious discussions book-ended with this long-running saga involving them as dodgy VCR repairmen taking advantage of Mr Plinkett in various ways.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Geez talk about a geek fest.

Bunch of fun movies over analysed to the extreme.

I think some should stick to the comic books.

I enjoyed all them, do not really know the difference between Marvel and DC, certainly do not farging care.

Go watch Power Rangers from the 1990's, you fussy nerd geek mofos

 

[Mr Angry]

Hey I like the movies

You lot death ride them

You yell at the cloud, I embrace it.

As for 35000 post over 14 years talking about football, yeah feeling nerdy.

 

[Frederick]

Uh oh, looks like that 'Justice League' Rotten Tomatoes score could be bad

JOSH DICKEYNov 7, 2017

One day, 16 hours, 10 minutes and 0 seconds – that's how much time Warner Bros. is allowing between the embargo lift on reviews for Justice League and its first public screenings.

And if history tells us anything, that means the most ambitious DC Extended Universe film to-date could also be among its worst-reviewed.

A couple of months ago, we took a look at the relationship between critics' embargo times and release dates (as well as other studio marketing behavior) and found a striking correlation: When they allow more than two full days for critical consensus to gather, the scores tend to be fresh (above 60%). Anything at two days or less trends toward rotten.

And as you can see in our chart (at the bottom of this post), the scale slides in both directions.

Now, the embargo for Justice League reviews – as well as social-media reactions – lifts on Wednesday, November 15 at 2:50 a.m. ET. The first public screenings will be available at 7 p.m. the following night on the East Coast.

The closest recent comps for that turnaround time – 1-day, 16 hours, 10-minutes – are Monster Trucks (1 day, 19 hours, 32% on Rotten Tomatoes), Snatched (1 day, 19 hours, 35%) and A Dog's Purpose (1 day, 21 hours, 30 minutes, 30%).

Not a great sign.

But the most telling stat here might be the lack of a first-wave of social-media reactions. Big studios, including Warners, have lately been showing their blockbusters to smaller groups of curated movies writers and critics, giving them a separate, earlier window to tweet reactions.

Case in point: DC's own Wonder Woman, which allowed social-media posts a whopping 13 days, 21 hours ahead of the critics' embargo. They were over the moon – and kicked off a wave of positivity that carried Wonder Woman to a 92% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

Without a social-media lift, and with that stingy embargo-to-release turnaround time, it looks like Justice Leaguemay hew closer to its direct antecedent, the critically razed Batman v Superman, which ultimately came in at 27% (rotten). (BvS was given a lead-time of two days, 4 hours – a little more generous than Justice League, but still in that rotten zone.)

Also not boding well here: That 2:50 a.m. ET posting time. No confident studio lifts its critics' embargo in the middle of the night.

Justice League has a few things going for it, though – early word is that the film successfully melds Joss Whedon's story beats and dialogue with the stylings and action of Zack Snyder (who was asked to hand over the reins after studio execs saw an early cut). Ezra Miller's first full appearance as The Flash is testing very well. And of course, this will be the DCEU's first film featuring Wonder Woman since the extraordinarily well-received Wonder Woman.

But those factors can only help so much. Reading all these tea leaves, I'd say Justice League comes in with a lot of reviews along the lines of "elements good/movie bad," the likes of which tend to skew rotten.

Predicted result: 33% on Rotten Tomatoes for Justice League, putting it just above Suicide Squad (26%) and BvS (27%) but well below Man of Steel (55%) and Wonder Woman (92%).

And if you think that's being too generous – or maybe too harsh, for many of you DC stans – well, then we'll just let history guide you:

 

[shiznit]

I’ll judge it when I see it...

But it does make you think how in the hell WB can consistently f**k up so badly with such brilliant source material....

For such a massive, experienced movie studio there’s no f**king excuse for getting 27% or whatever BvS got...

You don’t want to turn this into a Marvel v DC argument.... but even an average film like Avengers 2 which I thought was meh... got in the mid 70’s...

I just checked the 2nd Thor and that was what I thought was the worst film in the MCU... and even that’s 66%.

So how the f**k does WB consistently f**k up so badly....

It’s mind boggling considering how much resources they have... and they have the f**king DC source material...

 

[Frederick]

I’ll judge it when I see it...

But it does make you think how in the hell WB can consistently f**k up so badly with such brilliant source material....

For such a massive, experienced movie studio there’s no f**king excuse for getting 27% or whatever BvS got...

You don’t want to turn this into a Marvel v DC argument.... but even an average film like Avengers 2 which I thought was meh... got in the mid 70’s...

I just checked the 2nd Thor and that was what I thought was the worst film in the MCU... and even that’s 66%.

So how the f**k does WB consistently f**k up so badly....

It’s mind boggling considering how much resources they have... and they have the f**king DC source material...

Their biggest mistake was hiring Snyder to try and get their extended universe off the ground. Snyder was far too interested in the spectacle and trying to make it look big and flashy and expensive that the story and character development suffered big time.

 

[Mr Angry]

Netflix is releasing "The Punisher", same guy who played the part in Daredevil.

 

[RockWheel]

I’ll judge it when I see it...

But it does make you think how in the hell WB can consistently f**k up so badly with such brilliant source material....

For such a massive, experienced movie studio there’s no f**king excuse for getting 27% or whatever BvS got...

You don’t want to turn this into a Marvel v DC argument.... but even an average film like Avengers 2 which I thought was meh... got in the mid 70’s...

I just checked the 2nd Thor and that was what I thought was the worst film in the MCU... and even that’s 66%.

So how the f**k does WB consistently f**k up so badly....

It’s mind boggling considering how much resources they have... and they have the f**king DC source material...

marvel probably understands the value in making movies that are commercially and critically successful. rotten tomatoes just collates the percentage of critics who ‘liked’ a movie (as in say, at least 6/10). I thought thor 2 was probably the worst marvel movie, but it was still okay enough.

warner bros just keep making the same mistakes. man of steel was okay-ish i guess but it was pretty grim and dour. so they bring back zack Snyder to make BvS, which was terrible. So when they need to make sure justice league is a sure hit, they bring back the same guy who f**ked up before.

 

[shiznit]

marvel probably understands the value in making movies that are commercially and critically successful. rotten tomatoes just collates the percentage of critics who ‘liked’ a movie (as in say, at least 6/10). I thought thor 2 was probably the worst marvel movie, but it was still okay enough.

warner bros just keep making the same mistakes. man of steel was okay-ish i guess but it was pretty grim and dour. so they bring back zack Snyder to make BvS, which was terrible. So when they need to make sure justice league is a sure hit, they bring back the same guy who f**ked up before.

Yup i do get it...

But it just boggles the mind that a movie studio with as much resources and strong source material can keep making these types of decisions...

Hopefully Joss Whedon has enough time to move in another direction...

 

[RockWheel]

Yup i do get it...

But it just boggles the mind that a movie studio with as much resources and strong source material can keep making these types of decisions...

Hopefully Joss Whedon has enough time to move in another direction...

making movies is really hard (especially these big budget tentpoles that employ thousands of people) and it's hard to see the forest for the trees. by the time warner bros realise that a movie like BvS isn't good it's usually too late so they just hope to make money out of it.

on justice league i'm not really hopeful. apparently it's been cut down to only 2 hours (BvS was 2.5 hours, the avengers movies about the same), which suggests that they might be trying to save the movie in editing. i mean they've got to introduce what, a whole bunch of new characters most people have never seen? in only 2 hours. ehhhh i'm skeptical.

 

[shiznit]

Making movies would be hard.... but f**king up so badly one after the other is arguably even harder.... considering the resources they have.

One shitty film I can understand.... but to keep doing the same over and over again is bonkers IMO...

 

[edabomb]

I finally saw Thor. It was enjoyable but really pretty formulaic. I was expecting much more of a break from the traditional Marvel screenplay.

 

[gUt]

I've just caught up with Thor and Thor 2, both of which are pretty lame.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Uh oh, looks like that 'Justice League' Rotten Tomatoes score could be bad

JOSH DICKEYNov 7, 2017

One day, 16 hours, 10 minutes and 0 seconds – that's how much time Warner Bros. is allowing between the embargo lift on reviews for Justice League and its first public screenings.

And if history tells us anything, that means the most ambitious DC Extended Universe film to-date could also be among its worst-reviewed.

A couple of months ago, we took a look at the relationship between critics' embargo times and release dates (as well as other studio marketing behavior) and found a striking correlation: When they allow more than two full days for critical consensus to gather, the scores tend to be fresh (above 60%). Anything at two days or less trends toward rotten.

And as you can see in our chart (at the bottom of this post), the scale slides in both directions.

Now, the embargo for Justice League reviews – as well as social-media reactions – lifts on Wednesday, November 15 at 2:50 a.m. ET. The first public screenings will be available at 7 p.m. the following night on the East Coast.

The closest recent comps for that turnaround time – 1-day, 16 hours, 10-minutes – are Monster Trucks (1 day, 19 hours, 32% on Rotten Tomatoes), Snatched (1 day, 19 hours, 35%) and A Dog's Purpose (1 day, 21 hours, 30 minutes, 30%).

Not a great sign.

But the most telling stat here might be the lack of a first-wave of social-media reactions. Big studios, including Warners, have lately been showing their blockbusters to smaller groups of curated movies writers and critics, giving them a separate, earlier window to tweet reactions.

Case in point: DC's own Wonder Woman, which allowed social-media posts a whopping 13 days, 21 hours ahead of the critics' embargo. They were over the moon – and kicked off a wave of positivity that carried Wonder Woman to a 92% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

Without a social-media lift, and with that stingy embargo-to-release turnaround time, it looks like Justice Leaguemay hew closer to its direct antecedent, the critically razed Batman v Superman, which ultimately came in at 27% (rotten). (BvS was given a lead-time of two days, 4 hours – a little more generous than Justice League, but still in that rotten zone.)

Also not boding well here: That 2:50 a.m. ET posting time. No confident studio lifts its critics' embargo in the middle of the night.

Justice League has a few things going for it, though – early word is that the film successfully melds Joss Whedon's story beats and dialogue with the stylings and action of Zack Snyder (who was asked to hand over the reins after studio execs saw an early cut). Ezra Miller's first full appearance as The Flash is testing very well. And of course, this will be the DCEU's first film featuring Wonder Woman since the extraordinarily well-received Wonder Woman.

But those factors can only help so much. Reading all these tea leaves, I'd say Justice League comes in with a lot of reviews along the lines of "elements good/movie bad," the likes of which tend to skew rotten.

Predicted result: 33% on Rotten Tomatoes for Justice League, putting it just above Suicide Squad (26%) and BvS (27%) but well below Man of Steel (55%) and Wonder Woman (92%).

And if you think that's being too generous – or maybe too harsh, for many of you DC stans – well, then we'll just let history guide you:
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Lol so hes basing a 33% score purely on a late embargo lift?

From all reports from the limited advanced screenings given out to select members of the movie industry, the buzz has been positive

Honestly, I just don't get the death riding on a movie that hasn't even come out. Who benefits from that?

 

[Frederick]

Lol so hes basing a 33% score purely on a late embargo lift?

From all reports from the limited advanced screenings given out to select members of the movie industry, the buzz has been positive

Honestly, I just don't get the death riding on a movie that hasn't even come out. Who benefits from that?

Sure, it’s easy for the buzz to be positive when you’re only showing it to diehard fans or people with a vested interest, as opposed to independent reviewers...

The fact that they’re delaying reviews coming out until the day before is a sure sign that they know it’s a shit movie and want to make as much money before word of mouth gets around and completely kills the buzz for it (ala BVS)

 

[Zoidberg]

The fact that they’re delaying reviews coming out until the day before is a sure sign that they know it’s a shit movie and want to make as much money before word of mouth gets around and completely kills the buzz for it (ala BVS)

It’s not a “sure sign”. The Force Awakens didn’t lift its embargo until 48 hours before release (or something like that), part of it is to keep things secret.

 

[Frederick]

It’s not a “sure sign”. The Force Awakens didn’t lift its embargo until 48 hours before release (or something like that), part of it is to keep things secret.

Apples and oranges. TFA was the first installment in one of the most popular franchises of all time after a 10 year hiatus. It featured iconic characters from the original trilogy and was helmed by a director with an exceptional pedigree. Anticipation was huge, and with the death of Solo the late embargo was necessary to avoid spoilers.

On the other hand you have Justice League, a movie that hasn’t been mired in controversy from the get go, including:
Constant rumours of Affleck quitting as Batman
Warner Bros remanding a lighter tone compared to all other movies in the DCEU
Warner Bros demanding a 2 hour max run time
Snyder departing due to the death of his daughter, and Whedon replacing (2 directors with very different styles)

Justice League is a rushed entry in a very young franchise and, at 2 hours max run time, is not leaving a lot of time to properly introduce THREE major new characters that have only very briefly been sighted in previous films, as well as deal with the return of Superman and the introduction of steppenwolf. Instead of treating the characters (and fans) with the respect they deserve by introducing all these characters in their own solo movies first, Warner’s have rushed their introductions by jamming them all together in one movie.

With the exception of WW, the DCEU has been a hot mess of a franchise, and Justice League will be no different

 

[shiznit]

Sure, it’s easy for the buzz to be positive when you’re only showing it to diehard fans or people with a vested interest, as opposed to independent reviewers...

The fact that they’re delaying reviews coming out until the day before is a sure sign that they know it’s a shit movie and want to make as much money before word of mouth gets around and completely kills the buzz for it (ala BVS)

Correct me if I’m wrong... but didn’t BvS do well at the box office??

So I’m not 100% sold on the fact that word of mouth kills the buzz...

 

[Frederick]

Correct me if I’m wrong... but didn’t BvS do well at the box office??

So I’m not 100% sold on the fact that word of mouth kills the buzz...

872 million. Big money, yes, but could have and should have been bigger.

And word of mouth definitely kills buzz...BvS: DoJ was only at cinemas for 12 weeks. Man of Steel and Suicide Squad only lasted 14 weeks before being pulled from the screens. Compare that to other, better received movies:
WW - 23 weeks
GOTG - 25 weeks
Avengers - 22 weeks
CA: TWS - 20 weeks

Even the most poorly received entry in the MCU (Thor: The Dark World) was in cinemas for 19 weeks.

The only MCU entry that only lasted 12 weeks in cinemas was The Incredible Hulk.