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The Comic Book Film Thread *** SPOILERS ***

Game_Breaker

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Is it true that the actual batman vs superman fight eats up a whole 3 minutes of the 2.5 hour film?


I didn't time the fight, but that does sound right. Even worse is that most of the fight was seen in the trailer so nothing much was surprising. Pretty stupid given the title of the film

Why Batman wanted to fight him wasn't made clear

Why he stopped fighting him was pretty stupid as well

Batman was manipulated too easily by Lex
Batman doesn't drink, yet he was borderline alcoholic in this film
 

Munky

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Batman was manipulated too easily by Lex
Batman doesn't drink, yet he was borderline alcoholic in this film

It feels that this movie was made as a reaction to the criticism of MoS and the huge amount of destruction Superman was involved in.

Maybe when we get a Batman solo film or even Suicide Squad they will throw in some scenes to explain why Batman is a murdering sociopath in this film.
 

McNulty

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Plain & simple: DC got greedy.

They didn't respect the process. They insulted the fans. They thought they could jump right in where Marvel took 10 5-7 years of development.

I recall reading an article where they realised they were close to a full blown JL movie so they just went for it.

They hould have left it as batman vs Superman. Lex Luthor pulling the strings was a great angle and they should have kept that and developed the fight between the 2.

No Doomsday. Was not required.
No WW. Was not required. Sure, develop her alter ego somewhat but do not get her in gear until a later movie.

Then they go and chuck in the other 3 for shits and giggles. What a joke.

Can't wait for Civil War!!

So, Batman is dreaming of Darkseid? How is he dreaming of him? How does he know who he is? How does Lex know he is coming?
 

Frederick

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Plain & simple: DC got greedy.

They didn't respect the process. They insulted the fans. They thought they could jump right in where Marvel took 10 5-7 years of development.

I recall reading an article where they realised they were close to a full blown JL movie so they just went for it.

They hould have left it as batman vs Superman. Lex Luthor pulling the strings was a great angle and they should have kept that and developed the fight between the 2.

No Doomsday. Was not required.
No WW. Was not required. Sure, develop her alter ego somewhat but do not get her in gear until a later movie.

Then they go and chuck in the other 3 for shits and giggles. What a joke.

Can't wait for Civil War!!

So, Batman is dreaming of Darkseid? How is he dreaming of him? How does he know who he is? How does Lex know he is coming?

This was always going to be the case. Warner Bros/DC being reactive to Marvels success and trying to do too much, too soon, ending up offending and alienating all but the hardest of hardcore DC fans.

Speaking of, where's runatme and TS Quint? Wouldn't mind getting their opinions on this abomination of a movie
 

Caped Crusader

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This was always going to be the case. Warner Bros/DC being reactive to Marvels success and trying to do too much, too soon, ending up offending and alienating all but the hardest of hardcore DC fans.

Speaking of, where's runatme and TS Quint? Wouldn't mind getting their opinions on this abomination of a movie

Have you seen it yet Fred or did you just Wiki the plot?
 

Eelementary

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Plain & simple: DC got greedy.

They didn't respect the process. They insulted the fans. They thought they could jump right in where Marvel took 10 5-7 years of development.

I recall reading an article where they realised they were close to a full blown JL movie so they just went for it.

They hould have left it as batman vs Superman. Lex Luthor pulling the strings was a great angle and they should have kept that and developed the fight between the 2.

No Doomsday. Was not required.
No WW. Was not required. Sure, develop her alter ego somewhat but do not get her in gear until a later movie.

Then they go and chuck in the other 3 for shits and giggles. What a joke.

Can't wait for Civil War!!

So, Batman is dreaming of Darkseid? How is he dreaming of him? How does he know who he is? How does Lex know he is coming?

Agreed.

Just on Doomsday...what the actual f**k was that? He sure as hell wasn't Doomsday.

The film had good bones - great bones, even -, but it was just a dull clusterf**k.

I thought I'd give Eisenberg a chance, but he sucked - when he wasn't comically unable to deliver lines with serious undertones, he was borderline incomprehensible.

The story didn't flow well at all, and for a movie that goes for 150 minutes...

Hated this film.
 

Zoidberg

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I found this like the prequels, sooooo much good stuff in there just not come together right.

I did have a similar reaction when I first saw Man of Steel which I grew to love after a few viewings.
 

Caped Crusader

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After a second viewing I tend to agree with the criticism that the movie doesn't flow all that well

Also, it's difficult to know the motivations of both Lex and Clark. As a reader of the comics for years I just took it for granted however looking at it from an outsiders view it would have been confusing. Lex has always been an "Earth is for humans" guy and Clark is a "I protect humanity, even the evil ones" character but neither MOS nor DOJ set either up very well, if at all.

It's not a terrible movie, far from it, but it certainly isn't all it could have been. DC it trying to play a bit of catch up and it hurt the production. I'm hopeful that JL will right the course a bit better and build off the good elements of DOJ.

I think it has become cool to rip this movie apart online, some have been outright comical, making it difficult to get a handle on the movie if you haven't seen it. Maybe it is just the weight of expectation? Comparison to The Force Awakens? Not sure

It was always going to be polarising though I guess
 

vvvrulz

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It's essentially a solid Batman film that collapses under a pile of mediocre or downright atrocious. Affleck and Irons are easily the best part of the movie, the opening Metropolis sequence from Wayne's perspective was brilliant.

Cavill is given nothing to do yet again, they've really misread Superman and turned him into a brooding dull mess. Nothing new from Man of Steel. Such a shame because we have an actor trapped on screen desperate to get more out of it.

Lex Luther should have completed the triumvirate but Eisenberg ruins him *completely*, he's even worse than what's in the trailer, wtf were they thinking. He was basically pee wee herman.

Nothing else was needed, especially Doomsday who looked more like a second coming of the Uruk Hai, was half expecting Saruman to show up. Wonder Woman potentially interesting but completely wasted. The rest of the Justice League was just a silly wink shoved in our faces, ironically they actually had a scene later where Aquaman would have actually come in handy!

Some good action, pacing was horrible, plot holes everywhere, nothing was quotable, characters other than Batman all undeveloped.

Overall just a poorly constructed cash grab.
 

vvvrulz

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I think it has become cool to rip this movie apart online, some have been outright comical, making it difficult to get a handle on the movie if you haven't seen it. Maybe it is just the weight of expectation? Comparison to The Force Awakens? Not sure

BvS was entertaining and certainly not terrible, just not very good either.
I think most of the bad reviews are reasonably well written and justified.

The Force Awakens though, geez people had a bone to pick with that. I thought it was a very good movie and people were finding all sorts of stupid nitpicks (most of them easily debunked).

In the end (imo) IMDB scores are a good reflection, TFS 8.3, BvS 7.5 and falling fast.
 

LatK7

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Plain & simple: DC got greedy.

They didn't respect the process. They insulted the fans. They thought they could jump right in where Marvel took 10 5-7 years of development.

I recall reading an article where they realised they were close to a full blown JL movie so they just went for it.

They hould have left it as batman vs Superman. Lex Luthor pulling the strings was a great angle and they should have kept that and developed the fight between the 2.

No Doomsday. Was not required.
No WW. Was not required. Sure, develop her alter ego somewhat but do not get her in gear until a later movie.

Then they go and chuck in the other 3 for shits and giggles. What a joke.

Can't wait for Civil War!!

So, Batman is dreaming of Darkseid? How is he dreaming of him? How does he know who he is? How does Lex know he is coming?

http://nonsensicalramblings.com/thi...-v-superman-the-theory-of-a-waking-knightmare

I actually liked what they did with it.
 

Noa

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You got to love Snyder using tones of flashpoint to introduce Barry Allen.

Not !!!
 

Jono078

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I enjoyed the movie, thought it was fun.

I watched a review online saying that every scene is beautiful, but they don't flow or make sense, I would have to agree with this.

I loved the Bruce perspective of Superman vs Zod. Batman and Alfred were awesome. I liked what Cavill was able to do with what was asked of him.

Didn't like the Justice League stuff, they could have done that much much better. The dream sequences didn't make sense. Was very odd watching batman shoot people.

And I didn't like Doomsday, he was a rushed baddy to cause destruction.
 

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