The De-Merge Thread

[muzby]

What an entertaining thread for opposition supporters. They must be giggling and rubbing thier hands together with glee watching us implode.

Our membership is dwindling even though we have "support all over the world". I've been to games where there's 30-40k dragons supporters. In recent seasons our only high drawing game is the ANZAC game.

I thought after the ending of McGregor and with the centenary of StGeorge, we would breathe new life.

I'm worried about the future of our club now.

Yup.. Those who keep on the demerge bandwagon don’t quite realise just how funny they look to opposition fans..

Or how easy it is for opposition fans to get under their skin..

 

[TruSaint]

Please suggest something that is going to put a reset on this whole embarrassing mess. A new coach, an inexperienced CEO - I wish both the very best at our club - is not going to really do it.

I'm desperate. I can't see our name discredited any longer let alone the fact that St George is ignored from without and now within.

If I had a silver bullet I would tell you.

It appears whatever I say, you are set in your mind that Saints need to stand alone. That ship has sailed.

I have slammed the club from board level down to player retention. Again, I am not happy with the status quo, however ending the JV IMHO is not the answer.

 

[muzby]

The St George Dragons of the 90s played with an awesome spirit and the supporter base was iconic. Those teams did massive things without the need for the cream of the crop.

As someone in my mid thirties I hardly feel like this era was an archaic time that can't be returned to.

Why would you want to return to an era when St George didn’t win anything?

Currently a club with no success, a confused identity

Of course you’ll have a confused identity when you have a small, but vocal, minority harping on about how more than half the club’s supporters don’t belong.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Just as well the presence of online fans of other clubs is miniscule compared to ours.

I’m here!
I’m not giggling or laughing though

 

[SBD82]

Well by all means refute the statements I made.

Instead of ranting and raving stop filabusting just make us aware of the facts you are using as the basis to say I’m incorrect.

It’s absolutely incredulous how many Illawarra / Steeler supporters want to take credit for anything decent St George achieved as a stand alone entity yet not realise Illawarra’s ultimate failure and demise.

The Illawarra region despite all its local clubs was little more than a s**t that was raped continually by all the Sydney clubs and when it finally grew some balls and stood in its own 2 legs it became a cripple in a short period of time.

Locals of the area were more parochial to the local leagues rather than getting behind the NRL entity thus your ultimate failure.

If you took the St George out of St GI you would go back to the lacklustre lot you really are.

I truly hope that no one reads your rants and believes them to be a credible source of information about Rugby League in the Illawarra.

 

[SBD82]

I’m here!
I’m not giggling or laughing though

I’ll get to you next Millers.

 

[muzby]

Remember that time when St George were so broke they tried to merge with the Roosters?

And easts rejected them..

If only Illawarra had been just as selective with their merge partner.. We wouldn’t be in this mess..

 

[Old Timer]

Remember that time when St George were so broke they tried to merge with the Roosters?

And easts rejected them..

If only Illawarra had been just as selective with their merge partner.. We wouldn’t be in this mess..

The irony is that I know what a clusterf**k St George became before and after the JV and I hold their BOD in contempt for many and varied things.

However you and your good buddy SBD 82 like to give it to the St G side of the JV and the fans that dare remember when St G was great and competitive as a sole entity and all the while never give the Illawarra side a decent touch up for its continued failure and ultimate demise.

You say you should have chosen your JV partner better well the truth is you would have been an albatross around the neck of any club.

You cringeworthy associates of our club hang onto the false ideal that "Illawarra" played some significant part in the great success St G had.

Well the fact is some young & talented players from the Illawarra who wanted to better themselves had no place to go within their own region so they came to Sydney clubs and under the guidance and professionalism of those clubs many went on to become great players and some immortals.

They did this despite the inability of the Illawarra to provide them the opportunities afforded to them by Sydney clubs.

Your version of events is akin to people saying we let a good hooker in Cook go & that we are responsible for Luc reaching his potential, all false premises.

 

[muzby]

The irony is that I know what a clusterf**k St George became before and after the JV and I hold their BOD in contempt for many and varied things.

However you and your good buddy SBD 82 like to give it to the St G side of the JV and the fans that dare remember when St G was great and competitive as a sole entity and all the while never give the Illawarra side a decent touch up for its continued failure and ultimate demise.

You say you should have chosen your JV partner better well the truth is you would have been an albatross around the neck of any club.

You cringeworthy associates of our club hang onto the false ideal that "Illawarra" played some significant part in the great success St G had.

Well the fact is some young & talented players from the Illawarra who wanted to better themselves had no place to go within their own region so they came to Sydney clubs and under the guidance and professionalism of those clubs many went on to become great players and some immortals.

They did this despite the inability of the Illawarra to provide them the opportunities afforded to them by Sydney clubs.

Your version of events is akin to people saying we let a good hooker in Cook go & that we are responsible for Luc reaching his potential, all false premises.

Fair rant, I’d give it a 6/10.

Not one of your best though.

 

[Old Timer]

Fair rant, I’d give it a 6/10.

Not one of your best though.

You always rate rants higher than facts so I take pleasure in your 6/10.

 

[Morotti]

Probably because its not. St George ended as a top grade team in 1998

Whwther your poat is meant simply to provoke or not, it is a significant milestone and more should be made of it.
Understand that st george does not stand on its own anymore, but i think it folly to simply dissolve everything that happened pre 1999.

 

[SBD82]

The irony is that I know what a clusterf**k St George became before and after the JV and I hold their BOD in contempt for many and varied things.

However you and your good buddy SBD 82 like to give it to the St G side of the JV and the fans that dare remember when St G was great and competitive as a sole entity and all the while never give the Illawarra side a decent touch up for its continued failure and ultimate demise.

You say you should have chosen your JV partner better well the truth is you would have been an albatross around the neck of any club.

You cringeworthy associates of our club hang onto the false ideal that "Illawarra" played some significant part in the great success St G had.

Well the fact is some young & talented players from the Illawarra who wanted to better themselves had no place to go within their own region so they came to Sydney clubs and under the guidance and professionalism of those clubs many went on to become great players and some immortals.

They did this despite the inability of the Illawarra to provide them the opportunities afforded to them by Sydney clubs.

Your version of events is akin to people saying we let a good hooker in Cook go & that we are responsible for Luc reaching his potential, all false premises.

I resent this.

There are many Saints supporters who have a nuanced understanding of the histories of both our clubs and the Joint Venture. I have a deep respect for them, and for the history of the mighty St George rugby league club. Some of them want to leave the JV, and while I disagree with them, they present their ideas respectfully and with obvious intelligence.

Unfortunately, you’re not a part of that cohort. Don’t assume that because I have contempt for you and your bullshit that I am contemptuous of all old Saints supporters.

 

[muzby]

You always rate rants higher than facts so I take pleasure in your 6/10.

You don’t want to try harder to achieve a proper 10/10 for a rant like you have in the past?

It’s that kind of lazy attitude that I’d expect of St George separatists.. Always relying on past glory rather than trying to achieve greatness..


But that aside, I can’t believe your “facts” though..

Just the other week you said that players who start on the bench play the full 80 mins..

And before that you were saying that anyone born or arriving in Australia after 1979 isn’t considered an Australian citizen..

 

[Morotti]

And what did St George win from 1982 to 1998 that makes them more successful than Illawarra?

This is a fair point because coming second gets you no trophy in the cabinet.

I always did feel a strong sense of pride being up there and being able to mix it with the best consistently. And that is the difference for me. We have had a few good patches as a jv but realistically, no sustained success and ability to be a contender fore any good period of time. Even the Bennett period was 3 years at the top then nothing.

 

[Morotti]

The St George Dragons of the 90s played with an awesome spirit and the supporter base was iconic. Those teams did massive things without the need for the cream of the crop.

As someone in my mid thirties I hardly feel like this era was an archaic time that can't be returned to.

But sure, let's 'move on', we are moving on into a very scary place. Currently a club with no success, a confused identity, a disunited group of owners and a very soulless place players don't wish to play for anymore. Yeah, "give Griffin time he will fix all that".

Agree.

A good sense of pride back then as a supporter.

I am also in my mid thirties so remember it fondly

 

[Morotti]

Going to throw this or there also, doors anyone know the process to de-merge?

 

[muzby]

Going to throw this or there also, doors anyone know the process to de-merge?

The joint venture holds the licence, so it’s a simple case of winding up the JV.

So if the JV dissolved, the licence doesn’t automatically go to St George (sorry to disappoint some people out there who have some bizarre entitled view that St George would get it).

Illawarra wouldn’t automatically get it either.

The NRL would look to see the best place to put the licence.

That could be Queensland somewhere. Could be central coast. Could be south coast.

But sure as hell wouldn’t be another Sydney team.

If the JV dissolves you’d most likely see St George running around with Newtown.

Probably being a feeder club to Cronulla given the proximity.

 

[Old Timer]

You don’t want to try harder to achieve a proper 10/10 for a rant like you have in the past?

It’s that kind of lazy attitude that I’d expect of St George separatists.. Always relying on past glory rather than trying to achieve greatness..


But that aside, I can’t believe your “facts” though..

Just the other week you said that players who start on the bench play the full 80 mins..

And before that you were saying that anyone born or arriving in Australia after 1979 isn’t considered an Australian citizen..

The stupidity and litany of false claims in this post is testimony to your total lack of comprehension and of course clearly demonstrates your Illawarra legacy.

 

[ALSGI]

As a Kogarah/Carlton/Hurstville boy watching my first game (that I can remember) in 1969 I’ve got StG in my blood.

That said I spent a lot of time in the Gong as a kid visiting many of our relatives and we would always go to Saints v Steelers games together as rivals but it was awesome when as adults with kids we went to the games on the same side. Then I lived there for a couple years only a few years ago. We could could see and hear the crowds from my balcony but the ocean and escarpment views were stunning. I love the gong and anyone suggesting it isn’t a great place to live even for youngsters has no clue.

I was disappointed when we became a JV but have personally embraced it and thought it the perfect marriage really in terms of history and brand. Couldn’t imagine merging with Roosters or Sharks. Sure I don’t support the BOD/Boys Club management but still happy with the SGI JV.

Also I remain optimistic for improvement this year. One thing I’ve learned over the years is trial form means shit. WTF are people going on about? Wooden spoon? Really? A red hot Bunnies squad pulled our pants down in a trial and we’re wooden spooners? Demerge? Sack Griffin? FMD.

Give the coaches and squad a go people.

Get behind the coaches/players FFS you horrible f**kcers.

 

[Morotti]

The joint venture holds the licence, so it’s a simple case of winding up the JV.

So if the JV dissolved, the licence doesn’t automatically go to St George (sorry to disappoint some people out there who have some bizarre entitled view that St George would get it).

Illawarra wouldn’t automatically get it either.

The NRL would look to see the best place to put the licence.

That could be Queensland somewhere. Could be central coast. Could be south coast.

But sure as hell wouldn’t be another Sydney team.

If the JV dissolves you’d most likely see St George running around with Newtown.

Probably being a feeder club to Cronulla given the proximity.

My question was more, who votes? Is it the football club members? Surely if ever they were going to do this, the members in some way would be the ultimate decision makers?

But your post is very informative.