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boxhead

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well who ever fed the scrum is at fault there. That is why you will never be able to teach a player to have vision

It isn't lack of vision, it was a complete lack of communication/listening to each-other between the players.
That is what typified the whole of last night; whenever someone made a break or a half-break, no one supported. If Feleti tried to offload, no-one was there except opposition players.
The whole team was playing as individuals, not as a 'team'.
 

andrew057

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For the first half of the season, yes. Manly's true guns are Jamie Lyon and Kieran Foran.

Hodkinson hasnt been as good as he was at the beginning of the year, but hes been decent over the past few months, does his jon.

To think many people rated Mortimer a better player than Foran when they both came into the league last season. Theyve gone different directions, Foran has continued his great form looks like he will be a star for many years to come for both club and country. Mortimer on the other hand has been shown up as a player who tries hard, but probably isnt up to first grade.
 

boxhead

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Hodkinson hasnt been as good as he was at the beginning of the year, but hes been decent over the past few months, does his jon.

To think many people rated Mortimer a better player than Foran when they both came into the league last season. Theyve gone different directions, Foran has continued his great form looks like he will be a star for many years to come for both club and country. Mortimer on the other hand has been shown up as a player who tries hard, but probably isnt up to first grade.

Mortimer showed more class and actually started the year much better individually, he was definitely the initial spark for our first two wins of the run (Melbourne and the Bulldogs-afterwards it was all Hayne).
The difference actually is that Mortimer is playing a position he cannot play (halfback) and has been destroyed because of it, and is out of form. Foran continued his form and stayed in that position.
 

andrew057

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Mortimer showed more class and actually started the year much better individually, he was definitely the initial spark for our first two wins of the run (Melbourne and the Bulldogs-afterwards it was all Hayne).
The difference actually is that Mortimer is playing a position he cannot play (halfback) and has been destroyed because of it, and is out of form. Foran continued his form and stayed in that position.

He was the spark against the Bulldogs and Storm? Give me a break. Hes been crap all season and its pretty obvious I think that hes only in first grade because he was signed to a ridiculous contract.

Mortimer was 5/8 for the first 4 games this season which the Eels lost 3 of and whether he has 7 or 6 on his back, hes played the role of a 5/8 (poorly) for the majority of the season.

In regards to Foran, youre wrong again, hes played half back and centre this season as well. Not to mention played both thoise positions very well for the Kiwis.
 

boxhead

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Uhh, I was referring to last year mate.....learn to read my posts first, maybe?
So no I am not wrong, if you noticed Mortimer was close to winning Dally M Rookie and even was one of the contenders to win Dally M Five-Eighth last year.
 

boxhead

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He was the spark against the Bulldogs and Storm? Give me a break. Hes been crap all season and its pretty obvious I think that hes only in first grade because he was signed to a ridiculous contract.

Mortimer was 5/8 for the first 4 games this season which the Eels lost 3 of and whether he has 7 or 6 on his back, hes played the role of a 5/8 (poorly) for the majority of the season.

In regards to Foran, youre wrong again, hes played half back and centre this season as well. Not to mention played both thoise positions very well for the Kiwis.

My turn.
You are the one who is wrong.
Mortimer is in first-grade because he was one of the best players last year on debut, we had every right to sign him up to a big deal because of how brilliant he was last year in his first year of first-grade; he nearly won Dally M Rookie and Dally M Five-Eighth mate, we had every right to believe he would be successful.
Therefore, the deal we signed him to was hardly ridiculous.

Also, he has a good couple of games.
If you noticed, our four wins winning-streak was sparked by him moving to halfback. He also played a masterclass game against the Bulldogs in the no 7. He was also great against the Storm.
 
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Joely01

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This is getting beyond a joke really.
Morts is a very talented player who last year enjoyed some of haynes brilliance but actually set up a fair bit of haynes brilliance aswell, he wasnt studied by other teams last year and got to play his own game.
2010 that all changed and he actually got studied probably more then any other player in our team bar hayne and had not 1 but 2-3 big man running at him every set to fatigue him which worked brilliantly. I think most people are missing a very big point here i think morts is a 5/8th for now but even if he is half doesnt matter, the people who are to blame for morts down fall are all the other 15 coaches in the league who before they played us worked out how to make morts influence very ineffective and it worked a treat for the coaches.
Now morts job over the off season is to hopefully work with sterlo and work out what to do to lesson the work load in defence and bring a new spark to his attack.
I think he can do it and will be back bigger and better next year.
 

spartan2153

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Mortimer has not talent ozzing out of him whatsoever. He trys hard & tackles hard. I didnt realise thats all you need to be a media darling.

He does not put players thru gaps. His short kicking game is terrible. Last year was a fluke. He was signed to big money because he has a surname. If his name was anything else but that he would be smashed from pillar to post from the media.

He has obviously been thrown down andersons throat & it is obvious because of the way he has been protected from even playing for wenthwortville which is where his talentshould be.

Get off the mortimer bandwagon because i never thought he had talent & was lucky because he came into the team at the right time l ast year.

Whoever said lack of communication made me laugh. Obviously that comes into it but if you think that a half back with vision would not have seen that then your deluded
 

mrpwnd

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I don't think you understand what I meant, I said that we have no halfbacks, and Humble is only a marginally better option than Mortimer, and was probably too big a risk in Anderson's eyes.
LOL... Marginal? What kind of crack are you smoking there? Humble has all the prerequisite skill sets for a player in the halves. Mortimer just runs and tries hard, admirable true, but not good enough. You need to start drawing the line between hard work and results.
Last year he held onto Hayne's dick and looked somewhat decent, this year he's lost that privilege and showed us all that he doesn't suit the halves(halfback or 5/8) at all and that this poor bloke called Humble has had to watch for 25 weeks as his own team gets hammered thanks to the 2 blokes in the halves that can't play there for jack sh*t. Dead set if I was Humble i'd go around Parra making a bloody petition to get me into first grade to try and restore abit of class and pride we lost from persisting with Mortimer, KK and Robson.
 

Schiltzenberger

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You make some valid points.

But just on the targeting weaknesses thing - Friday night there was an injury and the Rabbitoh player couldn't come off the field yet. We has a scrum. Reddy was screaming at the guys to throw the ball to him and Inu so they could target this injured bloke. We went left...

Not sure why, but there's some issues there and I'm not sure a change of skipper will help.
Yeah, I saw that, but we've been doing that sort of stuff all year, I expected them to go the wrong way, sadly.:(

There's been plenty of times this year where the opposition has been low on numbers on one side, even the commentators will say "they're a chance if they go left" but then we'd go right where there was more defenders than attackers.
We played brainless football all year.
 

mrpwnd

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Yeah, I saw that, but we've been doing that sort of stuff all year, I expected them to go the wrong way, sadly.:(

There's been plenty of times this year where the opposition has been low on numbers on one side, even the commentators will say "they're a chance if they go left" but then we'd go right where there was more defenders than attackers.
We played brainless football all year.
I saw Mortimer, Robson and KK smoking abit of crack during the pre-match warm-up. Must have something to do with that.
 

boxhead

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Mortimer has not talent ozzing out of him whatsoever. He trys hard & tackles hard. I didnt realise thats all you need to be a media darling.

He does not put players thru gaps. His short kicking game is terrible. Last year was a fluke. He was signed to big money because he has a surname. If his name was anything else but that he would be smashed from pillar to post from the media.

He has obviously been thrown down andersons throat & it is obvious because of the way he has been protected from even playing for wenthwortville which is where his talentshould be.

Get off the mortimer bandwagon because i never thought he had talent & was lucky because he came into the team at the right time l ast year.

Whoever said lack of communication made me laugh. Obviously that comes into it but if you think that a half back with vision would not have seen that then your deluded

Excuse me, I will make up my own damned opinion. I am not on the 'Mortimer bandwagon', you are just trying to bunch me and all these people who think he has talent, AKA who disagree with you, into a group of fanboys. Stop spouting sh*t. I can say you are on the 'Anti-Mortimer bandwagon', can't I, and I am equally as justified as you in saying that. Stop acting like your opinion is the only right one.
If you think last year was a fluke, then I feel for you. As Joely01 pointed out, he set up a sh*t load of Jarryd's brilliance and was probably the second most important player in that entire run, and any expert will tell you so.

So because I disagree with you, I'm a fanboy....your arguments have noticeably degenerated, if you disagree with me, you don't have to call me a bloody fanboy, that is just you spouting bullsh*t.

LOL... Marginal? What kind of crack are you smoking there? Humble has all the prerequisite skill sets for a player in the halves. Mortimer just runs and tries hard, admirable true, but not good enough. You need to start drawing the line between hard work and results.
Last year he held onto Hayne's dick and looked somewhat decent, this year he's lost that privilege and showed us all that he doesn't suit the halves(halfback or 5/8) at all and that this poor bloke called Humble has had to watch for 25 weeks as his own team gets hammered thanks to the 2 blokes in the halves that can't play there for jack sh*t. Dead set if I was Humble i'd go around Parra making a bloody petition to get me into first grade to try and restore abit of class and pride we lost from persisting with Mortimer, KK and Robson.

Compare Mortimer's initial debut games, when we were losing, to Humble's debut games, when we were winning and losing.
The difference is massive; Mortimer showed far more in his first year, even when we were still playing sh*t, than Humble did when we were playing well.

I have every right to my opinion. Laughing at me and saying I must be smoking crack just says a lot about your mindset; so because you disagree with me, all of a sudden I have to be on drugs? Wow, I know what you sound like right now :roll:

Humble has shown no more this year than Mortimer has, in my honest opinion, and that is what I believe. Humble has been solid at best, and Mortimer has showed more glimpses of his form last year than Humble has shown glimpses of replacing Morts.
Therefore, in my view, Humble is not the better option in the halves; he is, however, the marginally better option at HALFBACK, because he is still a five-eighth like Mortimer.

Mortimer played brilliantly individually last year, whether you want to believe it or not. You are just trying to justify your anti-Mortimer views by saying he did nothing last year, when clearly anyone who isn't blind or a moron will tell you otherwise.
The difference between this year and last year is FORM and CONSISTENCY, as has been quite obviously shown across our whole team (except Hindy and Mannah).
If Mortimer get's his form back, you will shut up dead straight.
Honestly, you must "be on drugs" if you think otherwise.
:lol::lol:

Wow, that's actually fun insinuating other people are on drugs/are biased because they disagree with me :lol:
Hehehehe

If you haven't figured it out, I'm just teasing.
Just pointing out how childish this argument is getting, from both sides of the conflict-and yes, I am being as immature as they come.
 
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gustarny

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For f**ks Sake you clowns How many games or chances has Humble had what 3 or 4 and what restrictions did he have put on him .Give him the chances Mortz has had and lets see what he has got before we bag him.:eek:
 
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gustarny

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For f**ks Sake you clowns How many games or chances has Humble had what 3 or 4 and what restrictions did he have put on him .Give him the chances Mortz has had and lets see what he has got before we bag him.:eek:
 

boxhead

First Grade
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For f**ks Sake you clowns How many games or chances has Humble had what 3 or 4 and what restrictions did he have put on him .Give him the chances Mortz has had and lets see what he has got before we bag him.:eek:

I don't bag Humble, he should be in our starting side next year.
I believe he is more diversely talented than Mortimer, because Humble can fill in at pretty much any role in the back line-his weakest position being halfback.
However, I still see Mortimer as the long-term five-eighth, as having Humble on the bench allows him to go wherever he wants/needs to go.

You gotta think about it, we have one of the youngest spines in the NRL (or will next year), but it is insanely good at it's best.

1. Jarryd Hayne (22) - the most naturally talented player ever in RL perhaps, can tear teams apart individually.

6. Daniel Mortimer (21) - at his best can tear through teams with his running, and is freakish with his support-play.

7. Brad Murray (20) - a star of the future, and the best play-maker by far in the NYC; young, but strong and extremely talented.

9. Anthony Mitchell (21) - a fast and strong hooker for his size, brings a tonne of impact and spark to the team and is very talented; has a bright future ahead of him.

14. Tom Humble (22) - a player that can fill in most roles in the back-line and excel at any of them, and will probably end up being one of the best utility players in the NRL one day (maybe).


That's interesting, Humble is actually older than Mortimer :shock:
Only joking....about any insinuation....oh forget it ;-)

If we do our level best to keep that spine and build our team around it, with the forwards we so easily produce along with the quality outside backs we have, we are easily set for the future. Of course, being so young can back-fire, but if we hit form and stay consistent, next year could be our biggest year yet.
 
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boxhead

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Guys, found out something you will find interesting.

You think Mortimer has never shown anything as a junior?
I beg you to look at this;

"Rep. Honours : Australian Schoolboys 2007; NSW U17 2007"

Just saying.....he obviously has shown something as a half.....
 

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