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[gustarny]

Tell me what the hell he offers at six cant kick cant pass can tackle but to small and his running game whats it got, no speed and continually ducks into the defender.Get off the drugs mate .

 

[boxhead]

Tell me what the hell he offers at six cant kick cant pass can tackle but to small and his running game whats it got, no speed and continually ducks into the defender.Get off the drugs mate .

I'm allowed to think what I want, being a d*ckhead doesn't make you right.
I think passing is his weakest point, his speed off the mark is explosive and is easily one of the fastest halves in the competition, at his best can weave through defenders with ease, and his short-kicking game is superb when he is on.
We disagree, saying I'm on drugs just makes you look like a f**king tool.

 

[mrpwnd]

6. Daniel Mortimer (21) - at his best can tear through teams with his running, and is freakish with his support-play.

Mortimer has never torn teams apart and not one bit of his assets goes anywhere near being freak-ish. If you want freak-ish compare him to Hayne and see if anything he does goes within a miles distance of what Hayne does every week.

7. Brad Murray (20) - a star of the future, and the best play-maker by far in the NYC; young, but strong and extremely talented.

What an absolute load of sh*t. He's great sure, but if he was anything above average, he would've pushed Pearce from first grade every now and then, considering Pearce fits into the mould of 'average' halfbacks at most.

 

[boxhead]

Mortimer has never torn teams apart and not one bit of his assets goes anywhere near being freak-ish. If you want freak-ish compare him to Hayne and see if anything he does goes within a miles distance of what Hayne does every week.



What an absolute load of sh*t. He's great sure, but if he was anything above average, he would've pushed Pearce from first grade every now and then, considering Pearce fits into the mould of 'average' halfbacks at most.

Your first sentence is wrong in my opinion, I've PERSONALLY seen him tear teams apart last year. Why do you keep acting as if he did nothing last year, as if he was crap last year? Honestly, get over it and give credit where credit is due.

Your sentence about comparing him to Hayne has a pretty obvious answer, of course you can't compare him to Hayne because NO-ONE COMPARES TO HAYNE. You can say "oh but Billy Slater" or "but what about Greg Inglis", well that doesn't make a lick of difference, no player has to carry an entire team or is anywhere near remotely talented as Jarryd Hayne.

People say stuff is 'freakish' about players you wouldn't expect, i.e. Scott Prince's freakish ability at pin-point kicks, Jamal Idris' freakish ability to bump defenders off, etc.

About Brad Murray....
That is where you are just trying to take the piss out of me. Any NRL fan will tell you Mitchell Pearce is a great halfback, he is the NSW halfback for a reason and will stay there for a reason. He is probably in the top five halfbacks in the NRL. Brad Murray is far beyond 'average', them not putting him into first-grade can be for several reasons you obviously haven't thought of, as in;
1. No first-grade experience
2. Too young
3. Not ready for first-grade
4. There is a better player ahead of him
5. The player ahead of him is experienced
6. The first-grade Roosters are built around the combination of Pearce, Carney, Minichiello and Anasta
7. There is no point in disrupting a side if the halfback is already established
8. Who the hell is stupid enough to punt the NSW halfback in favour of a junior?

It sounds to me like you didn't think the second part of your post through at all.
Murray is a star, but for obvious reasons he won't be picked in their first-grade team.
And plus, devout Roosters fans I have talked to by the score say he is already first-grade quality and only being held back by Pearce.
So no, get YOUR facts straight.

 

[mrpwnd]

Your first sentence is wrong in my opinion, I've PERSONALLY seen him tear teams apart last year. Why do you keep acting as if he did nothing last year, as if he was crap last year? Honestly, get over it and give credit where credit is due.

Your sentence about comparing him to Hayne has a pretty obvious answer, of course you can't compare him to Hayne because NO-ONE COMPARES TO HAYNE. You can say "oh but Billy Slater" or "but what about Greg Inglis", well that doesn't make a lick of difference, no player has to carry an entire team or is anywhere near remotely talented as Jarryd Hayne.

People say stuff is 'freakish' about players you wouldn't expect, i.e. Scott Prince's freakish ability at pin-point kicks, Jamal Idris' freakish ability to bump defenders off, etc.

Of course you can't compare him to Hayne, because Hayne is the glaring definition of freakish. I've watched every game this year and not once...NOT ONCE, i'll repeat again - NOT ONCE have I seen Morts make anything more than a solid impact in a game. He has NEVER NEVER blown teams away, and Jamal Idris' ability to bump off defenders isn't freakish, he's just the 'biggest human being in the world'.

Any NRL fan will tell you Mitchell Pearce is a great halfback, he is the NSW halfback for a reason and will stay there for a reason. He is probably in the top five halfbacks in the NRL. Brad Murray is far beyond 'average', them not putting him into first-grade can be for several reasons you obviously haven't thought of, as in;
1. No first-grade experience
2. Too young
3. Not ready for first-grade
4. There is a better player ahead of him
5. The player ahead of him is experienced
6. The first-grade Roosters are built around the combination of Pearce, Carney, Minichiello and Anasta
7. There is no point in disrupting a side if the halfback is already established
8. Who the hell is stupid enough to punt the NSW halfback in favour of a junior?

It sounds to me like you didn't think the second part of your post through at all.
Murray is a star, but for obvious reasons he won't be picked in their first-grade team.
And plus, devout Roosters fans I have talked to by the score say he is already first-grade quality and only being held back by Pearce.
So no, get YOUR facts straight.

Please...They once slotted Finchy into the halves, so i'll take his rep honors with a grain of salt, or if you want a better example how bout Idris on the bench or a f**king centre as 5/8? I can go on and on about why being selected for NSW means sweet f**k all, especially in the halves.
Roosters fans are at perfect liberty to say what they want about their average skill golden boy, doesn't change the fact that he's average by all counts.

 

[parra pete]

Yeah and so did Barny Haslet and where is he now.:roll:

Coaching Tumbarumba in Group 9..

 

[boxhead]

Of course you can't compare him to Hayne, because Hayne is the glaring definition of freakish. I've watched every game this year and not once...NOT ONCE, i'll repeat again - NOT ONCE have I seen Morts make anything more than a solid impact in a game. He has NEVER NEVER blown teams away, and Jamal Idris' ability to bump off defenders isn't freakish, he's just the 'biggest human being in the world'.


Please...They once slotted Finchy into the halves, so i'll take his rep honors with a grain of salt, or if you want a better example how bout Idris on the bench or a f**king centre as 5/8? I can go on and on about why being selected for NSW means sweet f**k all, especially in the halves.
Roosters fans are at perfect liberty to say what they want about their average skill golden boy, doesn't change the fact that he's average by all counts.

Again, you are completely ignoring my posts and what I am saying.

I said LAST YEAR he tore teams apart. How many times do I have to stress that! Or does Mortimer in 2009 not exist to you?
Jamal was an example, but Princie still fits the bill, as does Hazem el Masri for kicking goals, or w/e.

Finchy, at his best, was pretty good. Says nothing about Mitchell Pearce; the only reason he wasn't picked in NSW earlier was because they picked him too early when he wasn't ready. I am sorry, but did you notice that they selected Greg Bird, Paul Gallen, Anthony Watmough, Kurt Gidley, etc who all have worn international jerseys ahead of Queensland players? That whole point is moot.
Idris at centre was a piss poor decision by the selectors, I agree; it was ridiculous.

A centre at five-eighth a bad decision? Did you not notice Jamie Lyon has won many awards at five-eighth, and all for good reason, because he can play the position WELL.
Obviously, it was dumb because he was on form as a centre, but you get the point.

Brad Murray is not average. If you keep hailing Tom Humble as the next big thing at Parra (which you do), then I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Brad Murray has shown he is 5x the player Humble is, at the very least as a halfback.
So sorry.

 

[mrpwnd]

Again, you are completely ignoring my posts and what I am saying.

I said LAST YEAR he tore teams apart. How many times do I have to stress that! Or does Mortimer in 2009 not exist to you?

How the hell did I ignore what you said? I said he's never blown teams away, whether it was 09 or 10. Don't assume that because I said never that it means 2010 only, get over your unjustified Morts 09 wankfest

Says nothing about Mitchell Pearce; the only reason he wasn't picked in NSW earlier was because they picked him too early when he wasn't ready.

No, it's because NSW have no decent halves at the ready. The only reason Mitchell ever got picked is because some idiot at the telegraph touted him as the next Andrew Johns simply because they saw some 19 year old bloke being able to kick.

Greg Bird, Paul Gallen, Anthony Watmough, Kurt Gidley

All of them deserved their bloody spot with good form.

A centre at five-eighth a bad decision? Did you not notice Jamie Lyon has won many awards at five-eighth, and all for good reason, because he can play the position WELL.

No it was a bad decision regardless of his past accolades in that position. Don't even try to defend it, there were so many other specialist 5/8s that would've done better.

Brad Murray is not average. If you keep hailing Tom Humble as the next big thing at Parra (which you do)[/QUOTE]

I'm not hailing Humble as Parras next big thing, i'm saying he should be given a shot at the halves because he's better than Morts. Okay, if Murray is good then sure give him a go too, but none of them deserve to miss out of first grade at the expense of Morts.

 

[boxhead]

How the hell did I ignore what you said? I said he's never blown teams away, whether it was 09 or 10. Don't assume that because I said never that it means 2010 only, get over your unjustified Morts 09 wankfest

You did say this year. How is my 'wankfest' of Morts 09 unjustified? He was in contention for DALLY M ROOKIE and DALLY M FIVE-EIGHTH OF THE YEAR. That is hardly unjustified! And even then, did I ever say I'm a fanboy of Mortimer? FFS, all you keep f**king doing is assuming I got latched on to Mortimer, when I actually have a GENUINE OPINION WHICH I FORMED THROUGH MY OWN MIND.


No, it's because NSW have no decent halves at the ready. The only reason Mitchell ever got picked is because some idiot at the telegraph touted him as the next Andrew Johns simply because they saw some 19 year old bloke being able to kick.

No decent halves? *cough* Todd Carney. *cough* Terry Campese *cough* Peter Wallace *cough* Kurt Gidley *cough* Jarrod Mullen *cough* Luke Walsh *cough*
Mitchell got picked because he is easily one of the better halfbacks in the competition.


All of them deserved their bloody spot with good form.

Then why are you saying sh*t that being picked for NSW means nothing? Talk about being hypocritical......

No it was a bad decision regardless of his past accolades in that position. Don't even try to defend it, there were so many other specialist 5/8s that would've done better.

As I said, I agree with you.

Brad Murray is not average. If you keep hailing Tom Humble as the next big thing at Parra (which you do)

I'm not hailing Humble as Parras next big thing, i'm saying he should be given a shot at the halves because he's better than Morts. Okay, if Murray is good then sure give him a go too, but none of them deserve to miss out of first grade at the expense of Morts.[/QUOTE]

On the last point, well obviously management at Parramatta disagree with you, and I think I'd rather trust a coach who has won several premierships, all due respect. "at the expense of Morts", funny that, shouldn't it be at the expense of Jeff Robson and Matt Keating? Last I heard, people want their heads more than Mortimer's......

 

[boxhead]

I can go on and on about why being selected for NSW means sweet f**k all.

Case in point.

 

[Ladmate]

TBH, I thought Mortimers "form" last year was on the back of Hayne.

 

[Y2Eel]

TBH, I thought Mortimers "form" last year was on the back of Hayne.

Alot of the eels players form was on the back of Hayne.. I think Daniel Anderson realized that also with them not keeping INU Mateo and Keating..

 

[boxhead]

TBH, I thought Mortimers "form" last year was on the back of Hayne.

Yeah I can perfectly understand that.
I just saw more in him personally, because of how well he played against the Bulldogs and the games before our run started. :? Of course, I could always just be biased; I've always been fond of watching young players succeed.

It's a very touchy subject though, as you can tell by reading this thread
I'm not very proud of my arguing actually, to anyone I would look like a tool :lol: (it's probably deserved ;-) )
It's definitely the hottest topic between Parra fans at the moment, too bad stuff like Cayless' last game and such don't take more centre stage.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

IIRC Morta was keen to get his contract sorted out very early on in the season. Before it had even started. That was a very smart move by him. He got the big cash and then plays like a busted.

 

[mrpwnd]

IIRC Morta was keen to get his contract sorted out very early on in the season. Before it had even started. That was a very smart move by him. He got the big cash and then plays like a busted.

Your Morts manager aren't you!?

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Your Morts manager aren't you!?

His manager earnt his commission on this one.

If morts was negotiating a contract now he would be lucky to be offered two bob.

 

[forward pass]

I know he wasn't that popular in here, but the decisin to get rid of Finch was strange at the time and has turned out to be downright foolish.

I reckon Ando would like that decision again !!

 

[sarahk]

Yeah I can perfectly understand that.
I just saw more in him personally, because of how well he played against the Bulldogs and the games before our run started. :? Of course, I could always just be biased; I've always been fond of watching young players succeed.

It's a very touchy subject though, as you can tell by reading this thread
I'm not very proud of my arguing actually, to anyone I would look like a tool :lol: (it's probably deserved ;-) )
It's definitely the hottest topic between Parra fans at the moment, too bad stuff like Cayless' last game and such don't take more centre stage.

You're entitled to your opinion, and its obvious you're really defensive of Morts but i have to agree with some other posters in this thread. Morts form in 2009 definitely was on the back of Hayne's and Fui's form ( as was the whole teams), and it made him look way better than he is. It's easy to look good when everything's going your way and you have a freak like Jarryd Hayne setting up everything for the team, but its another thing to stand out and lead your team in difficult times and Morts was unable to do that this year. I know he tries hard, and he puts in 100%, but if there's no talent there, you can try all you want to no avail.

There's no point behind this 11 page discussion as it is clear after this year that we need to dosomething about the halves or we are going nowhere. I am hopeful about Brad Murray and like mrpwnd i agree that we need to persist with Humble in the halves too, after all we persisted with Mortimer for this whole year so i don't know what damage it could possibly do to us to try Humble out a bit more.

p.s what is it with guys and admitting they're wrong, why can't Ando/Ozzie come out and just admit that they signed Mortimer way too early for way too much! We can all see it, yet they persist with something which obviously isnt' working for a full season so that their pride isn't damaged and so that they, god forbid, don't look like they've made a mistake.

 

[hasman]

[p.s what is it with guys and admitting they're wrong, why can't Ando/Ozzie come out and just admit that they signed Mortimer way too early for way too much! We can all see it, yet they persist with something which obviously isnt' working for a full season so that their pride isn't damaged and so that they, god forbid, don't look like they've made a mistake.[/QUOTE]


Sorry Mate, But Ozzie or Ando Didn't sign him for 200 K plus a Season. As matter of matter Fact people need to Know Morts signed for 500 K over three seasons including this one. Which is about 170 K which is Less then everybody Thinks. Morts Will Be a Gun at 5/8 Not Halfback.

 

[sarahk]

Sorry Mate, But Ozzie or Ando Didn't sign him for 200 K plus a Season. As matter of matter Fact people need to Know Morts signed for 500 K over three seasons including this one. Which is about 170 K which is Less then everybody Thinks. Morts Will Be a Gun at 5/8 Not Halfback.

Is this what you heard, or read somewhere?