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The Future Endeavors Have Begun

KeepingTheFaith

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As much as TNA are trying to focus a little more on home grown talent, they need to make a play for Sandow.

I would say Barrett as well considering they're well received in the UK, but Barrett seems to be just taking a break from all wrestling and has left the door open for a return to the WWE when he's ready to return.
 

Misanthrope

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The only one of those who surprises me is Sandow. How they didn't see money in him is beyond me. The fans obviously reacted to him, he could talk with the best of them, and he wasn't a bad wrestler by any stretch.

I imagine we'll see Ryback joining the above soon. His latest blog post wasn't glowing in its praise of the WWE.
 

Misanthrope

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I never really saw much in Alex Riley. Decent look and okay worker, but generic in every sense of the word.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Yes, but much like Sandow there was a period where Riley got massively over only to fade to nothing or dropped when creative had nothing to follow it up with (coincidentally both happened while paired with the Miz).
 

Parra Pride

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Riley could've been golden if they capitalised on his turning on the Miz. Apparently Cena wasn't a fan though, and was a huge factor in him getting buried. Will get to see him get his head kicked in by Nakamura at least, that's something.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Riley could've been golden if they capitalised on his turning on the Miz. Apparently Cena wasn't a fan though, and was a huge factor in him getting buried. Will get to see him get his head kicked in by Nakamura at least, that's something.

Didn't Sandow lose his MITB opportunity to Cena?

And Barrett...well....Cena > Nexus

Just need Ryder to get released now and that'll be one Cenafied foursome.
 

Big Pete

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Didn't Sandow lose his MITB opportunity to Cena?

And Barrett...well....Cena > Nexus

Just need Ryder to get released now and that'll be one Cenafied foursome.

Barrett is the only worker that can be considered hard done by.

Even then, his ring work was nothing to write home about.
 

Misanthrope

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I agree that Barrett has been hard done by, but at least the WWE has the excuse of his bad luck with injuries. Sandow basically got in trouble for getting over without their permission.
 

Parra Pride

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Sandow not too different from Ryder in that regard, though at least Ryder got US and IC title reigns out of it all, as meaningless as both of them ended up being.
 

Johnny88

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Been reading for months that Barrett wouldn't sign A new contract because he wasn't happy. Sandow is a shame always liked him. Remember when he dressed up as vince on one. Raw episode.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Barrett is the only worker that can be considered hard done by.

Even then, his ring work was nothing to write home about.

Getting over > Ring work

Injuries didn't help, but he was seriously hampered by creative decisions.

Sandow/Riley got themselves over and after that creative just didn't know where to go with them.
 

Big Pete

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Getting over > Ring work

Injuries didn't help, but he was seriously hampered by creative decisions.

Sandow/Riley got themselves over and after that creative just didn't know where to go with them.

Getting over as a comedic figure can only get you so far - Scotty Too Hotty and Hurricane Helms were never going to be World Champion.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Getting over as a comedic figure can only get you so far - Scotty Too Hotty and Hurricane Helms were never going to be World Champion.

I don't see the comparisons between Riley/Barrett and comedic figures like Helms/S2H.

Sandow yes, got over as a comedic figure, but once over zero was done with him or even attempted to be done with him. A trend that is not limited to Sandow.

And what does world champion have to do with not utilising guys who get over? There has been a ton of guys over the years who never won the championship but were utilised because for one reason or another they were over (both comedic and serious).
 

Big Pete

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Sandow yes, got over as a comedic figure, but once over zero was done with him or even attempted to be done with him. A trend that is not limited to Sandow.

In that instance, fans like to cite the failed cash-in as the moment that ruined his career. In truth, he wasn't good enough to carry that role, largely because he worked a softer style, when main eventers need to raise it up a notch. While he did well with the Mizdow gimmick, it left him in an awkward spot. He wasn't a natural babyface, 10 years of working as a heel put him behind a lot of other wrestlers and the character needed a change.

How over was Riley really? He had cool theme music, fans were into the Miz turn initially...but the guy was just another Virgil. There was nothing compelling outside of being Miz's best friend. Sometimes if you're a good worker, it can make up for the lack of personality. In Riley's case he was untrustworthy, blowing spots all over the place, in particular in the 2011 Royal Rumble. The WWE seemed keen to forgive and forget, having him feud with Dolph over the US Championship, until he had this god-awful match with Swagger. Riley managed to botch the gut-wrench not once but twice in the single night.
 

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