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The Las Vegas Thread

DIOGENES

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Biden's very knowledgeable about Rugby league and talks articulately about the intricacies of the sport.
Quoted: ' the Ipswich Jets will be key in the strategic defence of Ukraine "

60 billion dollar bill introduced for the Ipswich Jets...
Biden played rah rah at some stage. However in Ireland he made the fatal faux pas of confusing the All Blacks with the Black and Tans

To avoid any further confusion these are the All Blacks


and these are the Black and Tans

 
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If anything I would suggest this event might kill the WCC going forward (for at least whilst its in Vegas anyway).

Lets be honest if the clubs and players have an option of going to Northern England in February or Vegas, what option are they going to take.

You can already see if any club selected for this event, wins the GF, they will likely sit out the WCC.

Year 2 and 3 are the real barometer for this event.

I maintain that WCC should be sent out of england but not to Vegas.

We could pick a different US city or EU city and play off the publicity of the LV doubleheader happening the same time.

That way, we are:
- using an easy-to-move game to promote the sport
- using the LV buzz to boost the WCC
- not risking the quality of the LV match
- not risking an embarrassing crowd for the WCC
- getting a new location involved

as a hypothetical, host the WCC in the US East Coast on the Friday/Sunday around the LV match but put it in a 20k seat stadium. We might get England travelling fans and locals to get the game and get the smaller stadium rocking!
 

The Great Dane

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@The Great Dane is right, the worse thing the NRL could do is try to rapidly expand the event and run the risk of either increasing costs or splitting crowds.

Whilst it would be great to see the WCC or the USA v Canada game at Allegiant Stadium, remember the cost to hire the venue is around AUD1million a day, so adding a second day of matches is expensive. Putting the Test as a curtain raiser might work, and maybe Fox Sports US might pick up the feed and show on their secondary channels or OTT service, though I don't know if it's worth it for year 2, I'd suggest it would make more sense as a Year 3 or 4 aim.

If I was the NRL, I'd keep it as just a double header and be aiming to get it on sale as quickly as possible and see if with an 11 month build up if it's easier to move tickets. The last thing they want is to sell worse than this year, because we know the media will rip the concept to shreds just as quickly as they were to praise it's success this year.
On the WCC specifically; I actually think that taking it to America could end up being a massive mistake.

At this point it's so far outside of the mainstream consciousness here in Australia that even most RL fans are sleeping on it, and I'm not sure what percentage of the English crowd you could expect to travel to the US for it. My fear with taking it to the US would be that maybe 15k Poms would travel for it, and whoever promoted it would end up losing their ass on it and it'd further damage the WCC brand.

What the WCC desperately needs is for it to be played at neutral venues here in Australia with heavy promotion for an extended period, like 5 or so years, to try and build it's prestige and put it on the map as an annual event in the Australian market. I doubt anything like that will ever happen though.

I wouldn't hold the WCC in Vegas even if I was going to take it to the US either. I'd target a market on the Eastern Seaboard that has a reputation for being popular with British tourists, an international airport, existing entertainment attractions popular with tourists similar to Vegas, doesn't have an overcrowded local sports market, and has a decent midsize stadium that'd be cheaper to rent than Allegiant. Inter & Co Stadium in Orlando would probably be a fair shout.
 

final say

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The WCC just had an incredible success selling out weeks before. Super league needs it and possibly more. I really don't think it's wise to cannibalise a success story..
WCC - success.. leave it right where it is.
Vegas- success.. leave it right where it is.
Let's leave what's successful and build on it.
A proper game in fiji looks like a winner, hold it a few weeks after Super Rugby season has finished, market it well and we'll have another annual event.
Same weekend.. PNG ??? a Pacific round?? Samoa, Tonga?
Same teams each time.
 

Chimp

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I suspect that the travelling contingent from Australia will be much bigger next year.
People would have been apprehensive to lay out such a big cost this year, as people weren’t certain it would actually happen until the last couple of months, and people would have been sceptical that it would work out well - however, Fox in particular have done a great job in selling the trip - they’ve made it look an absolute blast.
Fans of the teams who are planned in for 25’ can book well in advance with the comfort of knowing it’ll definitely go ahead, and that it’ll be a blast of a trip. I think the travelling numbers will be huge next year, it could even sell out on travelling fans only.
 

Perth Red

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San Francisco 49ers owner Al Guido interested in buying an NRL team after Las Vegas dream run​

In a country where multi-sport ownership is a big deal, the owner of the San Francisco 49ers is looking to make another investment in what could be a game changer for the NRL.

Franciscos 49ers, the powerhouse NFL franchise that only weeks ago was beaten in the Super Bowl by the Kansas City Chiefs.
Under his leadership, the 49ers organisation has expanded their sporting tentacles, buying a share in English football powerhouse Leeds. Next stop could be the NRL.

Guido, who addressed ARL commissioners and club bosses at a conference in Las Vegas last week, has watched closely this week as rugby league has taken America by storm and says the 49ers may explore the opportunity to buy a stake or control of an NRL club.
He believes cashed-up private equity firms may do the same as they look to take advantage of the NRL’s financial golden age by grabbing a slice of the sport.

"At the Niners, we like the thought of multi-sport ownership,” said Guido, who is also chair and chief executive of sports consulting firm Elevate.
“It is not a new concept. We will look at anything that has a passionate fan base because to us it starts with that.
“If people are coming through the gates and supporting it, the reality is you have a pretty good commercial opportunity.
“That is the neat thing about Elevate – I get to wear two hats. We see a lot of deal flow. We represent a lot of people who buy some of these clubs.
“To us Leeds fit the persona. It was a team that has historical context, it had won championships, it fell on tough teams, it was a one team town, massive support even in the championship. It has worked out so far.
“If that worked in rugby (league) for the right club, would we take a look? Absolutely.”

BUYING IN
Guido has no doubt rugby league and their flourishing clubs are in the sights of private equity firms thanks to soaring NRL revenues – head office raked in more than $700 million last year.
With the game’s central administration in record shape, the clubs are enjoying the largesse in the form of record grants. Where once clubs lived on the breadline, they are now regularly returning multimillion dollar profits.
They are also now on the radar of American
investors thanks in large part to their season-opening double header in Las Vegas at the weekend.

“I don’t have any data behind this outside of saying if you look at what has happened in call it European football, and the penetration of US buyer into that market, it is hard not to go back and correlate it to those games were being broadcast in America and those teams were coming here at rapid rates,” Guido said.
“American investors were seeing in their mind undervalued assets with passionate fan bases. There are discussion that are happening – we all see the same reports – with private equity coming into these leagues.
“This is not going to stop. That is why I think it is not just the NRL. It is the power of live sports and if you are looking at content, sports is the way to go.”
THE NRL’S AMERICAN STRATEGY
Guido played a pivotal role in the 49ers and NFL adopting a global strategy of expansion by playing games in England, Mexico and Germany.
Just as the NFL has made inroads on the world stage by taking games that matter to other countries, Guido has backed the NRL’s plans to do likewise.
“I think it is very ambitious,” Guido said.
“But I think it is an interesting move. I think it follows a lot of what the NFL went though when they thought about having an international strategy.
“A couple of things I think they are doing really well – having games that matter. I think kicking off the season in Las Vegas, the entertainment capital of the US, on the heels of playing the Super Bowl here is really smart.”

Guido believes the NRL can make its mark in America.
“I do think the strategy is sound,” he said.
“I think they are on to something. But I will tell them and tell all the fans, it is going to take time.
“The NFL, they call it the biggest league in the world, it took a long time for our international strategy to really pay off in those markets.”
IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME
The 49ers’ home ground at Levi Stadium was built a decade ago for the princely sum of $US1.3 billion.
According to Guido, it is already out of date. Remarkably, the 49ers will spend $US300 million on the stadium in coming years to bring it up to speed.
The NFL is locked in an arm’s race when it comes to stadia and Guido insists that the 49ers can’t be left behind.
The NRL, meanwhile, is fighting an ongoing battle to convince the NSW government to invest in their stadia. Allianz Stadium has been a blessing but is underused by NRL clubs.
Penrith is about to get a new stadium in the golden west but Accor Stadium is an eyesore and suburban grounds are withering on the vine.
“I do think there is this whole field of dreams concept where if you build it, they will come,” Guido said.

“If you keep your stadium infrastructure top off the line, first class, people will pay top dollar for those and continue to support.
“I do think it helps brings tourism to a market …. Because stadiums are now what’s people would have thought of theatres in the past.
“People that are fans of rugby league, whether they live in America or across the globe, they will embark on visit a new stadium that is built.
“That’s why you all came here. There is intrigue in seeing the new stadium at Allegiant. There is intrigue in the game but there is intrigue use in the stadium.”
THE NRL’S AMERICAN FUTURE
The NRL will return to Las Vegas next year as part of a five-year commitment to open the season in America.
Beyond that, it is game on. Having watched the game flourish over the past week on foreign shores, Guido believes is it is only a matter of time before other cities start to woo the NRL.
In fact, Guido hasn’t ruled out the 49ers making a play to bring the double header to Levi Stadium.

“I wasn’t involved in any of the negotiations to come here,” Guido said.
“I think a proper strategy going forward – and again this is not a new idea – is leveraging US markets and figuring which ones are the best to go to and will support this league.

“I do think Vegas is the right first step given size of market and the strategy around gambling. As they get past next year, of course if I were counselling the commissioner I would say look around.
“There are a lot of great markets in America and there might be markets in America that have more penetration of young folks playing the sport itself, people who are passionate about it.
“But for the first two years I do think this was the proper strategy and proper market. We might wake up next year and this is sold out within 15 minute of putting it on sale because this is the market everyone wants to come to. But if I was them, I would leverage it as much as possible.”

West Coast 49’ers has a ring to it! Give him a call Roger!
 

Harry O

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350 trillion Americans have converted, look below for millionss of comments similar to this one below.

We love it. It’s so intense, we love that it’s go, go, go. Compared to American football — we have nothing on them (NRL players).”

Will she watch another game?

“Absolutely. I know they’re coming back next year, so we’ll be here,” Bella declared
 

Kurt Angle

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I suspect that the travelling contingent from Australia will be much bigger next year.
People would have been apprehensive to lay out such a big cost this year, as people weren’t certain it would actually happen until the last couple of months, and people would have been sceptical that it would work out well - however, Fox in particular have done a great job in selling the trip - they’ve made it look an absolute blast.

I think this is the driver myself.

The success of the game, more than anything, is it looks like an awesome pilgrimage. I suspect 10k more Australians, and hopefully 5-10k more locals will be what adds to the success

I raised across multiple days, this plays into the pilgrimage part so shouldn't be too big an issue, but I think a leap too far for year 2.

I'd make it a triple header, I'd add a Australia vs NZ women's test. I think the way the NRLW. has grown (properly) it's ripe for being content which can sell on its own right.

Then if it gets more traction, WCC at the start of the week, 2 more games at the end of the week and make the entire week the mother of all RL pilgrimages.
 

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