Refereeing The Magic Round sin bin directive

[nick87]

If you're trying to "wrap the football up" your contact area should be focused on the football, and ball carrying up. That's the goal.

Wrapping the football up by trying to cave in someone's chest or put a big shot on to dislodge the ball... Stop. That's absolute nonsense

 

[Zoe Palmer]

Even if you don’t hit somebody in the head there’s a high chance of concussion.

So it’s BS to say “just don’t hit the head” because the inevitable next step is to try and completely eradicate concussion which is impossible in a contact sport.

Do you know how the soccer players were getting their concussions?

Totally unnecessary extrapolation to try and make your point

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Why are people dealing in extremes over this. No one is saying you have to go low and tackle the legs all the time.
Papalii could have pulled off the same tackle by aiming at the ribs instead of the blokes head

Well. this is the extreme result of players getting headknocks from tackling from the waist down.

And given the edict from the NRL Heirarchy and sin-bins for even incidental/minimal/harmless contact with the head - a blanket rule change they have brought in this season - it is my opinion that we'll see more players trying to tackle around the waist & below... which in effect will result in more head knocks - and Ray Price is sadly an example of what can happen if this plays out as I fear.


Jake Friend has now "medically retired" because of head knocks and concussion concerns. Boyd Cordner isnt far off. Luke Keary has had issues in recent seasons. And if you look at all the incidents of the knocks they got - effectively none were from a tacklers' arm hitting their head. The majority were from tackles THEY were making.

Sure - we need to protect the ball-carrier but FFS not at the expense of the tacklers..

I've praised PVL & the NRL in a number of areas for what they have done last year to save the game and led the way. But in this area I couldn't agree less with what he's lead here. It doesn't make me "right" - and I honestly hope i"m not right. But I know I'm not the only one who thinks what PVL has done here is ridiculous.

I think his intentions are good, but his actions are reckless and careless. He should get 2-4 weeks suspension by his own policy for a Grade 2 hit on the fabric of rugby league, and the damage to its fan base.

 

[Vee]

Can't believe toupinua(sp) only got a fine for his swinging arm.

Faumuino's looked largely innocuous, clearly wasn't but he was unlucky compared to some others who do much worse but don't injure the player, e.g. nakore on Tedesco.

 

[Pete Cash]

There is an entire ankles to torso area to tackle

Papalii didnt do a lot wrong in that tackle, it ended very badly but we're talking about a few cms from that being a good hit to a terrible one. But the simple reality is if you dont take the care required, and you miss by those critical margins, you should have pay the price on that.

Papalii missed, he was rightfully sent off and he's rightfully sitting on the sidelines for the next 3 weeks. That's the cost of not taking the proper care to ensure you tackle safely, even if the margins are thin

Papalii was just trying to fire the side up too. There was nothing malicious in it. We were flat and Wighton was in the bin and he wanted to put a huge hit on to lift the side.

Very few players are on purpose hitting each other high. As you say the margins are small, the game is played at pace and there is fatigue involved impacting decision making. The reason why the Papalii one was bad was because he loaded up a lot of force.

I think for the minute it is probably foolish for a forward to load up like that on an outside back. Guys like NAS or Papalii or JWH need to think about how much energy they really need to put into a hit in these circumstances because Papalii could have just as easily cuddled him to the ground and if it had still gone wrong he would have been sin binned and would only be looking at a fine

 

[Game_Breaker]

The NRL must be rattled by the lawyers
Hence the knee jerk reaction

All comes down to duty of care and what the NRL is doing to protect players
I’m sure the NRL can argue they’ve done all they can, but they’re technically not the employers. The clubs have to take a responsibility as well with their own duty of care

At the end of the day this is just a game. No point ruining your quality of life after you retire just so some randoms can call you brave

 

[Perth Red]

At the end of the day this is just a game. No point ruining your quality of life after you retire just so some randoms can call you brave

Its actually not, at NRL level anyway. its a career where you can earn millions of $'s. We still have no accurate idea of how common CTE is in ex players.

 

[Captain Apollo]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/a7fff2e4f6576e9f66ebbb1257c5ce45

 

[seanoff]

Banning head high contact is fair enough. But the rulings have to be sensible. IE the hit on papenhausen.

the tackle on teddy v the cowboys should have been play the ball, get on with it. It’s not a free kick in the AFL. The umpire would yell ducked.

The attacking player also has a duty of care. They can’t just recklessly run into contact at knee height and expect a penalty.

And if it’s just an accident, it’s an accident. Play on.

You also will probably get one of the shitter tactics used by players in the AFL where the hit the contact side on and raise their arm and drop the shoulder and the tackle slides high. Grrrr.

And if they aren’t going to reward low tackles. Teams will only not score because they’ve made an error.

Something needs to change.

 

[Floodwaters]

Teddy is a serial ducker into tackles, hopefully someone follows through with one to get him to wake the f**k up.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Teddy is a serial ducker into tackles, hopefully someone follows through with one to get him to wake the f**k up.

Oh grow up. As if any player risks injury/concussion by getting hit in the head like you suggest.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Its actually not, at NRL level anyway. its a career where you can earn millions of $'s. We still have no accurate idea of how common CTE is in ex players.

It’s a game where you can make money, but still a game
Ex players are taking action and speaking out because they realised the concussions weren’t worth it

Retire at 30 with a mushed brain, how much is that worth?

 

[Game_Breaker]

Banning head high contact is fair enough. But the rulings have to be sensible. IE the hit on papenhausen.

the tackle on teddy v the cowboys should have been play the ball, get on with it. It’s not a free kick in the AFL. The umpire would yell ducked.

The attacking player also has a duty of care. They can’t just recklessly run into contact at knee height and expect a penalty.

And if it’s just an accident, it’s an accident. Play on.

You also will probably get one of the shitter tactics used by players in the AFL where the hit the contact side on and raise their arm and drop the shoulder and the tackle slides high. Grrrr.

And if they aren’t going to reward low tackles. Teams will only not score because they’ve made an error.

Something needs to change.

it’s always been banned
How they’re choosing to enforce the rules has changed

 

[Zoe Palmer]

Papalii was just trying to fire the side up too. There was nothing malicious in it. We were flat and Wighton was in the bin and he wanted to put a huge hit on to lift the side.

Very few players are on purpose hitting each other high. As you say the margins are small, the game is played at pace and there is fatigue involved impacting decision making. The reason why the Papalii one was bad was because he loaded up a lot of force.

I think for the minute it is probably foolish for a forward to load up like that on an outside back. Guys like NAS or Papalii or JWH need to think about how much energy they really need to put into a hit in these circumstances because Papalii could have just as easily cuddled him to the ground and if it had still gone wrong he would have been sin binned and would only be looking at a fine

I don’t know how to post the video but watch the hit that Su’a put on the sharks player. Tackle of the year.
No different to Papalii but he didn’t decide to go for the head.....or shoulder. He cut him in half.
Papalii could have done the same and will have to in the future

 

[Zoe Palmer]

The NRL must be rattled by the lawyers
Hence the knee jerk reaction

All comes down to duty of care and what the NRL is doing to protect players
I’m sure the NRL can argue they’ve done all they can, but they’re technically not the employers. The clubs have to take a responsibility as well with their own duty of care

At the end of the day this is just a game. No point ruining your quality of life after you retire just so some randoms can call you brave

I don’t think it was the NRL who had the knee jerk reaction it was the idiot referees

 

[Zoe Palmer]

Oh grow up. As if any player risks injury/concussion by getting hit in the head like you suggest.

Robbo virtually said the same on 360 last night

 

[Perth Red]

It’s a game where you can make money, but still a game
Ex players are taking action and speaking out because they realised the concussions weren’t worth it

Retire at 30 with a mushed brain, how much is that worth?

We dont know the incidence and therefore the risk at the moment. I mean if that was your stance then you would have to remove tackling from the game as it seems its 50-50 attackers and defenders getting concussed.
RL is a high contact sport and comes with inherent risks. its your choice if you decide to play it. Its not Rome where you are forced into the arena. I race in motorsport and know the inherent risks if it goes wrong, that's my choice to take that risk for doing something I love. We all have different risk thresholds. As long as you are informed then its your responsibility.

 

[Perth Red]

I don’t think it was the NRL who had the knee jerk reaction it was the idiot referees

It was very clearly the NRL lol. The refs didnt come down hard in Rd9 like they had been told to and so the NRl had two meetings with them and basically told them any head shot is a bin and red card if it is a big shot or leaves someone injured. There was no discretion last round for the refs.

 

[Zoe Palmer]

It was very clearly the NRL lol. The refs didnt come down hard in Rd9 like they had been told to and so the NRl had two meetings with them and basically told them any head shot is a bin and red card if it is a big shot or leaves someone injured. There was no discretion last round for the refs.

Sorry but I don’t believe that they “basically told them any head shot is abin”

it was typical refs over policing to save their arse. The Townsend situation was a case in point even though.

the do have form in this regard, don’t they

 

[franklin2323]

Your coaches never taught you to wrap the ball up?

Because you can’t wrap the ball up unless you ‘target your contact at the upper body’, and sometimes, often frankly, that’s going to go wrong.

So I highly, highly doubt that your coaches were training you to exclusively tackle below the chest, and if they did it would have done nothing to prevent concussions anyway.

So yeah, if we hold the standard set by the Papa send off, and others over the weekend, then there will be games where half a dozen guys or more are sent off and another handful are sin binned.

Always is go for the ball if 1st in the tackle someone goes the legs next in. very easy for an attacker to step or fall...Even hand to bounce off the ball