The Pride thread 🌈

[emjaycee]

Well I guess if they don’t believe in a society that is tolerant where people are free to live and not be judged for their race, colour creed or sexual orientation, it makes them bigots by definition.

A mate of mine is married and sleeps with his wife's sister. I don't agree with him doing that. Am I a bigot?

 

[Happy MEel]

Haven't they been asked to publicly (sp) show that they support something they don't?

If they don’t at least support tolerance (they don’t have to agree with anyone’s lifestyle) then you’d have to wonder if they’re a good investment in your club as they are actively ostracising a portion of your fan base.

 

[Happy MEel]

A mate of mine is married and sleeps with his wife's sister. I don't agree with him doing that. Am I a bigot?

No, you tolerate it. There’s a difference between agreeing and tolerating. I’d go as far as to say you “accept” it as he’s still your mate.

 

[emjaycee]

If they don’t at least support tolerance (they don’t have to agree with anyone’s lifestyle) then you’d have to wonder if they’re a good investment in your club as they are actively ostracising a portion of your fan base.

Only ostracising the fans when the club makes the support public.
I would think we have one or two pacifika players (at least) who probably have the same background and views as the Manly 7 and yet because we havent put the issue into the public domain in such a way, our players remain 'hidden' and so no one calls them bigots.

 

[Matty Bhoy]

No, you tolerate it.

Correct answer. She could be the hotter of the two sisters too, so you can’t rush into these things.

 

[emjaycee]

No, you tolerate it.

But I went to their anniversary dinner and helped them celebrate 25 years of happy marriage and bought them a present and congratulated them... so I guess I am really a hypocrite and a bigot.

 

[84 Baby]

A mate of mine is married and sleeps with his wife's sister. I don't agree with him doing that. Am I a bigot?

Probably just jealous

 

[Happy MEel]

Only ostracising the fans when the club makes the support public.
I would think we have one or two pacifika players (at least) who probably have the same background and views as the Manly 7 and yet because we havent put the issue into the public domain in such a way, our players remain 'hidden' and so no one calls them bigots.

Just my opinion but I don’t think hiding it makes it ok.

 

[Matty Bhoy]

Serious question…Would everyone be fine if 7 of our first grade side came from the Pauline Hanson side of politics and decided to pull out of indigenous round because they didn’t want to wear the jersey and celebrate Aboriginal culture?

I reckon they would be called racist and I’d certainly be one of those that felt they were.

Absolutely not.

 

[Happy MEel]

But I went to their anniversary dinner and helped them celebrate 25 years of happy marriage and bought them a present and congratulated them... so I guess I am really a hypocrite and a bigot.

If you say so

 

[emjaycee]

No, you tolerate it. There’s a difference between agreeing and tolerating. I’d go as far as to say you “accept” it as he’s still your mate.

And the Manly 7 tolerate it too, unless they are asked to play with an openly gay man in their team and decide not too.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Plenty of atheists and non-Christians are happy to get involved in XMAS celebrations (and not just presents/holidays thing).

But that's a cultural thing, not religious.

 

[emjaycee]

Just my opinion but I don’t think hiding it makes it ok.

That's exactly my point.
With the amount of pacifika players who have similar backgrounds, why is the focus on these 7 only?

 

[Happy MEel]

And the Manly 7 tolerate it too, unless they are asked to play with an openly gay man in their team and decide not too.

I’ll have to disagree with you there that the scenario you presented is the threshold for intolerance.

 

[Happy MEel]

That's exactly my point.
With the amount of pacifika players who have similar backgrounds, why is the focus on these 7 only?

Because Manly are the first club with balls to do it. Looks Like the Roosters are keen to follow suit next year so we’ll have to wait and see what happens. Who knows, maybe the NRL with have a tolerance or acceptance round.

It’s an interesting question though. There were a number of current players that came out saying they’d have no problem wearing a rainbow jersey. Im surprised the Christian cohort with these views didn’t come out to support the 7.

 

[emjaycee]

Because Manly are the first club with balls to do it. Looks Like the Roosters are keen to follow suit next year so we’ll have to wait and see what happens. Who knows, maybe the NRL with have a tolerance or acceptance round.

It’s an interesting question though. There were a number of current players that came out saying they’d have no problem wearing a rainbow jersey. Im surprised the Christian cohort with these views didn’t come out to support the 7.

Based on how these 7 have been treated in the media, I'm not suprised others haven't come out in support of them, but I can guarantee there are others with the same views.

 

[Happy MEel]

@emjaycee im also genuinely interested to hear your answer to my question about indigenous round below.

Serious question…Would everyone be fine if 7 of our first grade players came from the Pauline Hanson side of politics and decided to pull out of indigenous round because they didn’t want to wear the jersey and celebrate Aboriginal culture?

I reckon they would be called racist and I’d certainly be one of those that felt they were.

 

[Happy MEel]

Based on how these 7 have been treated in the media, I'm not suprised others haven't come out in support of them, but I can guarantee there are others with the same views.

I reckon there have been plenty of commentators and punters supporting their decision (whilst not necessarily agreeing with it). It’s certainly not a one-sided affair. I absolutely concur that others have the same view.

 

[strider]

No, you tolerate it. There’s a difference between agreeing and tolerating. I’d go as far as to say you “accept” it as he’s still your mate.

Thats not the right comparison at all ... thise players never actively made any effort to not "tolerate" anything .... they were made to show support for something they disagree with .... the right comparison would be emjaycee having to weat a tshirt saying, f**king your sister in law is great

 

[emjaycee]

@emjaycee im also genuinely interested to hear your answer to my question about indigenous round below.

I would totally be pissed off with them, but I have a reasonably strong history with our indigenous peoples having been engaged to one for years.