Except that it's 100% accurate...
All of the problems that are being faced in this case could have been avoided if people stopped looking at the NRL (and professional RL as a whole) as just a game and a hobby, and started looking at it like what it is- a business.
If it was viewed that way everybody would have seen the problem coming from a million miles away and something could have been done to avert it, but instead everybody seems to suffer from cognitive dissidence that once you get to the international level the business side of things just stop and RL becomes a noble pursuit that is above the baser impulses of the market and the capitalist system, it's not above the baser impulses of capitalism, it never has been and it never will be.
Frankly some of you lot are starting to sound like pre-professionalism RU supporters with some of the stuff you say...
If you want things to really change you should be petitioning the NRL (and SL for that matter) for cap exemptions for clubs that lose players to injuries sustained during rep games, and petitioning for some sort of scheme for compensation to clubs that lose players during their seasons to internationals, cause if those things existed none of this would have happened and their wouldn't be an issue with this game being played in Denver...
I hope you don't mind Springs but I have copied and pasted your post on TRL forums.
I really like the concept where winners of Tier 3 series qualify for RLWC Qualifiers
No one should ever be excluded from a RLWC process. Unless they havent met the basic criteria
From all countries that at least have 'observer' status in the RLEF, Latvia, Bosnia, Belgium, Catalonia, Denmark, Hungary, Netherlands & Sweden aren't participating. Other countries including Jamaica, UAE, Morocco etc. would have to qualify through another region. As in the article, Latvia and Netherlands declined. Haven't heard anything from Bosnia, Belgium or Hungary in a while and Denmark and Sweden were both defeated by Norway last year so that in a way is another level of qualification. Also their domestic scenes have gone pretty quiet.
Genuine question what difference does it make if you lose a player for a season in November or June?
None really, but the clubs are already willingly releasing players for internationals during the off season so it's not really an issue...
So what’s the difference?
Does the news that the players will be the best insured league internal players ever satisfy that complaint you had?
What about the fact every doctor involved has said there is no scientific basis to have any concerns over the altitude?
Or maybe we don't look at it that way because that's not what it is.It's not a f**king marketing firm. Professional sport is more than just a business. And rugby league is not a business at all.
I spend half my time now working to get a new competition off the ground and 6 country clubs that haven't played for 12+ years back running again and don't get paid a cent and don't want to be.
When I hear that NRL clubs are against growing the game in the biggest market in the world, with so many so-called experts ignorant about the efforts to gain profile in America before the 2025 World Cup, it makes me quite angry. This is the biggest step so far in growing the game professionally in America and will hopefully lead to a successful first-tier tournament and then a successful World Cup, leading to more clubs in the USARL and RFL systems, leading to more amateur and junior clubs throughout USA and Canada and stronger USA and Canada national sides which some ways down the track will hopefully compete with first-tier countries.
But oh no, who cares about all that, Tuivasa-Sheck may pull a hammy and be out for the next 3 weeks of NRL. We can't have that!! The NRL and the clubs are so insular and short-sighted they don't give a shit about people working to grow the game, you know, the game that provides them with all their money, oh no, the Canberra Raiders lost Josh Hodgson so how are they going to keep up their 10k average crowd??
I've followed Parramatta since I was 8 years old but I'd rather see them kicked out of the comp than block players from playing internationals. If clubs want to buy international-level players then they accept the risk that these players will be playing tests and could possibly get injured in these tests. If Sticky wants to bypass losing Origin players and so buys lots of Kiwis and Poms then he has to deal with it when these Kiwis and Poms get injured playing tests! If not then he can offer them less money when they sign and have another sook when they sign elsewhere for a club that accepts the risks.
There really has been no difference from last year. The Kiwis played the ANZAC Test last year. England played Samoa. This year they are playing each other. The only difference is that it is in Denver. So where was all this complaining last year? Literally the only difference is that NRL players have to go on a plane ride. I know it might be a big and scary one but most go on flights every second week.
If all you want to do is moan about money and compensation maybe go follow the National Accounting League.
Are you seriously suggesting that the NRL isn't a business?
If it's more than a business then what is it?
BTW, pretty much everything can be a business, RL can be a business but doesn't always have to be, if it can be monetised then it can be a business, and RL can obviously be monetised, just look at the NRL to see RL monetised, you're just trying to conflate people that play the game just for the fun of it with people that do it professionally, which is stupid, it's a bit like saying that Hollywood isn't a business cause local theater groups all over the world hold shows in local halls and churches without making a cent just for the love of theater and acting, there for Hollywood must be the same cause reasons...
That'd be cause you aren't professional, and don't plan to be... Or if you do plan to be professional and eventually take a wage from this country league (which would be quite hypocritical at this point) that'd be cause you have to set up a business and be selling something before you can make money from it...
That's a lot of appeals to emotion... To bad it's all completely irrelevant to my argument!
I'm not the NRL clubs! I'm not saying that there are medical issues with playing a game in Denver (at least no more medical issues than any other game of RL that is), and I'm not supporting them in this regard.
I'm not Ricky Stuart or the Canberra Raiders either for that matter, and I don't necessarily agree with them just cause I support the team (trust me that definitely isn't the case, the Raiders would hate me with a passion if I had any power in the ACT or in RL).
So how about you stop conflating me with them cause obviously I'm not them!
Look when you break it down we want the same thing, it's just your argument for that thing is a moral one (and frankly a pretty poor moral argument frankly, but that is neither here nor there) and mine is a practical argument.
Now tell me what you think is more likely to convince the clubs to come over to our way of thinking- a convoluted moral argument that the clubs obviously don't care about cause if they did they'd already be upholding it, or an appeal to their wallet? Cause I'm pretty sure that you're more likely to do some thing if it's good for your wallet, the NRL clubs are no different...
As I already stated there is no difference really, but they are already releasing players in the off season so why push the point when there's already a good outcome?
This is all completely irrelevant to my argument, my argument is a completely economical, stop trying to conflate me with the NRL clubs crappy propaganda...
Push what point? What’s the good outcome?
Irrelevant to your point now it’s been fixed? Before you wouldn’t stop banging on about it. I’m as correct you really are just making it up as you go along.
The clubs are already releasing their players during off seasons, so we are all ready getting the good outcome that we want in that regard, so it's not an issue so why would you push the point of whats the difference between losing a player in June or November...
Banging on about what?
Except that it's 100% accurate...
All of the problems that are being faced in this case could have been avoided if people stopped looking at the NRL (and professional RL as a whole) as just a game and a hobby, and started looking at it like what it is- a business.
If it was viewed that way everybody would have seen the problem coming from a million miles away and something could have been done to avert it, but instead everybody seems to suffer from cognitive dissidence that once you get to the international level the business side of things just stop and RL becomes a noble pursuit that is above the baser impulses of the market and the capitalist system, it's not above the baser impulses of capitalism, it never has been and it never will be.
Frankly some of you lot are starting to sound like pre-professionalism RU supporters with some of the stuff you say...
If you want things to really change you should be petitioning the NRL (and SL for that matter) for cap exemptions for clubs that lose players to injuries sustained during rep games, and petitioning for some sort of scheme for compensation to clubs that lose players during their seasons to internationals, cause if those things existed none of this would have happened and their wouldn't be an issue with this game being played in Denver...
Are you seriously suggesting that the NRL isn't a business?
If it's more than a business then what is it?
BTW, pretty much everything can be a business, RL can be a business but doesn't always have to be, if it can be monetised then it can be a business, and RL can obviously be monetised, just look at the NRL to see RL monetised, you're just trying to conflate people that play the game just for the fun of it with people that do it professionally, which is stupid, it's a bit like saying that Hollywood isn't a business cause local theater groups all over the world hold shows in local halls and churches without making a cent just for the love of theater and acting, there for Hollywood must be the same cause reasons...
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Nope, wasn't suggesting that at all. I'm saying rugby league isn't a business. Rugby league is a sport and involves more than just the top level clubs and players.
Professional sport is also more than a business. We are in this not just because of money. We are about growing the sport and spreading our great game to be enjoyed by kids and adults in both participation and viewership.
The NRL is a business but the way you keep comparing it to regular industries is idiotic. 'Would you let your employees go work for another company for 2 weeks' nonsense.
Not everything in my argument is directed at you. The only thing there relative to you is that you keep saying we should compensate the clubs when I say we shouldn't give a shit about the clubs.
They knew the risks that their players might get injured when they signed origin & test players.
And no actually I'm more inclined to do something if it is the right thing to do. And that's tenfold when it comes to my greatest passion. If I cared about money when it comes to rugby league I'd be about $50k richer.
The RLIF and NRL need to prioritise international football and tell the clubs to f**k off. I don't give a shit what the clubs want, if we listen to the clubs the rules would change every week
It’s not a standard business contract. Governing bodies receive government funding to develop sport and create cohesive, healthy communities. Governments also fund NGBs to develop players and have a competitive national team - because this again helps to create strong communities.
So that all happens, and then an NRL club jumps in, pays a lump sum and says “you can only work for me!”
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Of course not! The club signs the player knowing full well that rep honours are a part of the sport, the game, the hobby ... the one that is used by NGBs and government - heck, even the EU - to create better societies. That same game that only 1% of players are actually paid to play.
So, as much as I get you argument, rugby league is not a straight forward business as you make it out to be.
You mean you are getting the outcome you want.
Insurance