The Rumours Thread

[TomRedVRiver]

Jeezus you're a cranky bastard. Lomax has an injury that is extremely hard to heal. Resigning a number of our guys was fairly easy tbh because I don't believe any club has been bashing our door down to sign any of them. Correct me if I'm wrong because I often am. PS. I do like Marketo as a person but not necessarily as a player. Cheers.

It just frustrates me when people jump down Millward's throat when he doesn't sign a million dollar player, and then people like you and StJimmy try to take the high ground by saying you "won't accept mediocrity" when you've completely neglected the realities.
Realities such as:
- Is a marquee player even available in the first place?
- If there is one available, that particular player may be more inclined to stay loyal to their current club or choose to move closer to family, no matter how good our offer is.
- What is our cap situation? Are we even able to sign a marquee player without throwing our cap out of balance?
- Where do we need more depth? How do we go about signing a depth player for the right price?
- Do we pay overs? And if we do, we might risk losing some of our stars (look at the Dogs as an example of this).

I can tell you for a fact a number of our younger guys attracted interest from other clubs, particularly Host, Leilua and Dufty. And i'm not sure what your point is with Lomax, that has nothing to do with recruitment, and he's due back in a couple of weeks anyway? I know that because i've spoken to Zac himself, because I bother to collect the facts and go a little deeper before jumping to conclusions.

I love Jakey as well, met him, great bloke.

 

[Como Connection]

It just frustrates me when people jump down Millward's throat when he doesn't sign a million dollar player, and then people like you and StJimmy try to take the high ground by saying you "won't accept mediocrity" when you've completely neglected the realities.
Realities such as:
- Is a marquee player even available in the first place?
- If there is one available, that particular player may be more inclined to stay loyal to their current club or choose to move closer to family, no matter how good our offer is.
- What is our cap situation? Are we even able to sign a marquee player without throwing our cap out of balance?
- Where do we need more depth? How do we go about signing a depth player for the right price?
- Do we pay overs? And if we do, we might risk losing some of our stars (look at the Dogs as an example of this).

I can tell you for a fact a number of our younger guys attracted interest from other clubs, particularly Host, Leilua and Dufty. And i'm not sure what your point is with Lomax, that has nothing to do with recruitment, and he's due back in a couple of weeks anyway? I know that because i've spoken to Zac himself, because I bother to collect the facts and go a little deeper before jumping to conclusions.

I love Jakey as well, met him, great bloke.

Well stated.
CC

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

It just frustrates me when people jump down Millward's throat when he doesn't sign a million dollar player, and then people like you and StJimmy try to take the high ground by saying you "won't accept mediocrity" when you've completely neglected the realities.
Realities such as:
- Is a marquee player even available in the first place?
- If there is one available, that particular player may be more inclined to stay loyal to their current club or choose to move closer to family, no matter how good our offer is.
- What is our cap situation? Are we even able to sign a marquee player without throwing our cap out of balance?
- Where do we need more depth? How do we go about signing a depth player for the right price?
- Do we pay overs? And if we do, we might risk losing some of our stars (look at the Dogs as an example of this).

I can tell you for a fact a number of our younger guys attracted interest from other clubs, particularly Host, Leilua and Dufty. And i'm not sure what your point is with Lomax, that has nothing to do with recruitment, and he's due back in a couple of weeks anyway? I know that because i've spoken to Zac himself, because I bother to collect the facts and go a little deeper before jumping to conclusions.

I love Jakey as well, met him, great bloke.

Next time you talk to Zac tell him to give the boxing training a miss next time.

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

The thing that gets me is the people complaining we have no depth due to form in ISP.
I don't see how that matters? The standard in general in ISP is a joke, so how a bloke is supposed to stand out is beyond me.
Then these young guys, with obvious talent never get a go, then people want to sign old players and put more obstacles in the way of promising juniors.

That Souths kid, 18y.o on the wing.
How many ISP games do you suppose he played before being picked for first grade?
Same with Payne Haas.
Spot the talent, pick them in first grade.
If your good enough, your old enough.
At least if you pick them at 18 they get a feel for first grade, if they fail, send them back down, then when you pick them again in 6 months or 12 months, they know what to expect.
This business of waiting till they're 20 or 21 is a joke.

 

[Drag Queen]

It just frustrates me when people jump down Millward's throat when he doesn't sign a million dollar player, and then people like you and StJimmy try to take the high ground by saying you "won't accept mediocrity" when you've completely neglected the realities.
Realities such as:
- Is a marquee player even available in the first place?
- If there is one available, that particular player may be more inclined to stay loyal to their current club or choose to move closer to family, no matter how good our offer is.
- What is our cap situation? Are we even able to sign a marquee player without throwing our cap out of balance?
- Where do we need more depth? How do we go about signing a depth player for the right price?
- Do we pay overs? And if we do, we might risk losing some of our stars (look at the Dogs as an example of this).

I can tell you for a fact a number of our younger guys attracted interest from other clubs, particularly Host, Leilua and Dufty. And i'm not sure what your point is with Lomax, that has nothing to do with recruitment, and he's due back in a couple of weeks anyway? I know that because i've spoken to Zac himself, because I bother to collect the facts and go a little deeper before jumping to conclusions.

I love Jakey as well, met him, great bloke.

Ha, we both like Jakey. My point with Lomax is he has a complex hand injury coming from a reliable source. I'm guessing we have an extremely low cap. I've already mentioned the Dog's demise if you cared to look. I missed the point of other clubs chasing our juniors. Can you elaborate?

 

[TomRedVRiver]

Ha, we both like Jakey. My point with Lomax is he has a complex hand injury coming from a reliable source. I'm guessing we have an extremely low cap. I've already mentioned the Dog's demise if you cared to look. I missed the point of other clubs chasing our juniors. Can you elaborate?

Yes I know about Zac's injury, but I was just struggling to comprehend the connection between that and your argument against Ian Millward's competence.

It wasn't just the Warriors that were in for Dufty, he was identified by a number of other Sydney clubs. As was Host and Leilua, particularly Luch. Eddie Blacker, our most recent young signing from the Broncos for 2019, was chased by about 5 or 6 clubs total, quite hard too.

But more to the point, it's ridiculous saying that Millward is performing sub-par, because this top 4 team is a squad that he was instrumental in building. We now have continuity in the spine, a formidable forward pack and our 2-5 is a targeted area that we're being patient in to secure the right players and not just signing any dud for the sake of it.

 

[dragonssamy61]

It just frustrates me when people jump down Millward's throat when he doesn't sign a million dollar player, and then people like you and StJimmy try to take the high ground by saying you "won't accept mediocrity" when you've completely neglected the realities.
Realities such as:
- Is a marquee player even available in the first place?
- If there is one available, that particular player may be more inclined to stay loyal to their current club or choose to move closer to family, no matter how good our offer is.
- What is our cap situation? Are we even able to sign a marquee player without throwing our cap out of balance?
- Where do we need more depth? How do we go about signing a depth player for the right price?
- Do we pay overs? And if we do, we might risk losing some of our stars (look at the Dogs as an example of this).

I can tell you for a fact a number of our younger guys attracted interest from other clubs, particularly Host, Leilua and Dufty. And i'm not sure what your point is with Lomax, that has nothing to do with recruitment, and he's due back in a couple of weeks anyway? I know that because i've spoken to Zac himself, because I bother to collect the facts and go a little deeper before jumping to conclusions.

I love Jakey as well, met him, great bloke.

Tom you nailed it.
Also sele has had a offer from sharks.
But may still stay.
But with lewis finishing a nrl job is up for grabs.

 

[aquiin]

He is not going to play on an edge. Sharks have a couple of young players who play same position as Sele and are at a similar stage in development. They would have money to buy depth and then see who makes it but it would be a dud move for Sele. Prior is still an option to play 13 after Gallen also.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Graham has played 4 more games than Packer, averages about 30 metres more per game, has 3 times the tackle breaks, over double the offloads, made 100 more tackles, and missed 14 less than Packer has this year. And if reports on salary are right graham is costing us about 1/3 of what the tigers are paying Packer. Really hard to see how that’s not an excellent outcome?

Remind me of their respective ages?

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

With all due respect, you both genuinely have no f**king clue. Absolutely no idea.

I feel like i'm wasting my time even responding to you both about this, because you're either trolling or are just that daft. If you call retaining Frizell, De Belin, Widdop, Aitken, Dufty, Mann, Robson, Host etc while recruiting Vaughan, Graham, Tariq and Hunt (amongst others) and getting rid of deadwood like Marketo and McCrone a failure, then I suggest you need to wake up. Stop nit-picking at things to fit your agenda and refusing to acknowledge the positives, of which there are a great number.

And StJimmy, you can't call Ravalawa a reserve grader because he is f**king 20 years old. A kid. Say we recruited Lomax from another club, would you call him a reserve grader and dismiss him immediately? You've never seen the kid play and you're already on his back.

Ai ai, Captain Dogmatic!

Gotcha.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Jeezus you're a cranky bastard. Lomax has an injury that is extremely hard to heal. Resigning a number of our guys was fairly easy tbh because I don't believe any club has been bashing our door down to sign any of them. Correct me if I'm wrong because I often am. PS. I do like Marketo as a person but not necessarily as a player. Cheers.

What she said.

 

[MilanDragon]

Remind me of their respective ages?

Jimmy, you would’ve rather kept Packer on the 600k or whatever he was being offered? I think we did the right thing by sticking to our guns on that one.

Don’t forget when Millward started he had to take over the roster and salary cap position that (apparently a guru) Mullohand has created.

Salary caps take years to get right, look at the Dogs now.. it’ll take them 3 years minimum I’d say to get their cap right.. unless they completely cull their whole squad, focus on juniors and base salaries while putting in a few stars. But once again.. minimum 3 years.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Jimmy, you would’ve rather kept Packer on the 600k or whatever he was being offered? I think we did the right thing by sticking to our guns on that one.

Don’t forget when Millward started he had to take over the roster and salary cap position that (apparently a guru) Mullohand has created.

Salary caps take years to get right, look at the Dogs now.. it’ll take them 3 years minimum I’d say to get their cap right.. unless they completely cull their whole squad, focus on juniors and base salaries while putting in a few stars. But once again.. minimum 3 years.

This doesn’t adequately answer my question.

 

[MilanDragon]

This doesn’t adequately answer my question.

I’ll answer your question.

How about you answer mine, which would you rather. Packers deal or Our deal with Graham? And do allow for their performances this season

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

I’ll answer your question.

How about you answer mine, which would you rather. Packers deal or Our deal with Graham? And do allow for their performances this season

I would’ve thought my question indicates which way I would’ve gone,

Yes, Graham’s leadership skills cannot be faulted, but at the end of the day he’s still 32 with diminishing impact.

At 28, Packer is the younger man with many years left.

Graham is a good SHORT TERM solution only.

And as you said, “this year (only)”.

 

[The Damo]

Remind me of their respective ages?

Why? If they both perform next year how they have this year then graham is unquestionably a hugely better deal.
Be specific man, take a stand - say we should have signed Packer for “__” years at $_____
Give it a try.

 

[The Damo]

I would’ve thought my question indicates which way I would’ve gone,

Yes, Graham’s leadership skills cannot be faulted, but at the end of the day he’s still 32 with diminishing impact.

At 28, Packer is the younger man with many years left.

Graham is a good SHORT TERM solution only.

And as you said, “this year (only)”.

How much better do you think Packer will be next year? And how much worse will graham be? It’s a pretty clear fact that Graham is having a bigger impact than Packer this year. He’d have to diminish another probably 20- 25% to get down to where Packer is.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Why? If they both perform next year how they have this year then graham is unquestionably a hugely better deal.
Be specific man, take a stand - say we should have signed Packer for “__” years at $_____
Give it a try.

Already done.

 

[The Damo]

Already done.

Sorry, didn’t see it - remind me, how many years at what salary would a good recruitment manager have signed Packer?

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

How much better do you think Packer will be next year? And how much worse will graham be? It’s a pretty clear fact that Graham is having a bigger impact than Packer this year. He’d have to diminish another probably 20- 25% to get down to where Packer is.

This year.

In addition to advancing years, doesn’t Graham also have a degenerative back ailment which needs constant monitoring,

I’m concerned he may not see out his contract.