The Rumours Thread

[RedVee_8]

I’ve not been overly impressed with Verills either

 

[Overseadragon]

It seems to me we have a young hooker named mueleson who might be worth a try but what do I know we won't know until we give the kid a try .........

 

[dragon thomo]

Your right Oversea Dragon we do have a quality young hooked. And reports from the club is that he was preferred over Wishart.
He played In the Charity Shield and looked good. If he is not in our top 30 we'll then put him in and play him
McCullough is the first player to be let go.
Sharon Woods and Mbye next.

 

[possm]

Someone should tell Griffin that Hunt is our answer at 9.
Someone should tell the Board that Flanagan, Brown, and Barrett are our answers for the coaching staff.

 

[possm]

It seems to me we have a young hooker named mueleson who might be worth a try but what do I know we won't know until we give the kid a try .........

Mueleson would be good in tandem with Hunt in the Hooking role. Spine to be:
1. Ramsey / Sloan
6. Amone / Hunt
7. Sullivan / Hunt
9. Hunt / Mueleson

 

[BLM01]

Someone should tell Griffin that Hunt is our answer at 9.
Someone should tell the Board that Flanagan, Brown, and Barrett are our answers for the coaching staff.

You have 1 out of 3 potentially right
Brown will end up at Eels and Barrett not so sure but I am sure he does not want to come back while Dousty is there. He is focussing on finishing his house at Barrack Point

 

[BLM01]

I’ve not been overly impressed with Verills either

But the good hookers are spread thin and likely will be locked up by their current clubs. There is no one to buy without paying way overs. We have to develop ours somehow

 

[redv13]

But the good hookers are spread thin and likely will be locked up by their current clubs. There is no one to buy without paying way overs. We have to develop ours somehow

Jacob Liddel is a decent upgrade on Macca and Mbye and wouldn’t cost too much.

 

[thebigredv]

There is no one to buy without paying way overs. We have to develop ours somehow

I tend to agree though I think there are certain times to strike aka last year we could have picked up a Mahoney, Papali or Hynes and not broke the bank. Sometimes it is timing and opportunity but essentially you are correct. Things will get extra tight with Bennett and a 17th team entering.

I look at the Tigers paying too much for Kieran Foran, a good player way at the end of his career and I just think "really"? I don't see that ending too well. They look at us with Macca, Woods and Mbye and think the same but at least they barely factor into the cap.

The Panthers are the pioneers of how to build success from grassroots. They give a blueprint for how it is done.I don't have a problem with giving recognition to other clubs as I mature as an individual but isn't everyone getting sick of looking over at Robinson, Bellamy and the Panthers etc covetously.. I don't know what is up with our structure and personnel but we have been really missing out with junior development for quite some time.
Some you hear of and wait and wait and wait for, many are lost (Schiller's try yesterday, Garrick every week...), and some just underwhelm when they hit the big time at Dragons due to a combination of problems, none the least the first grade coach.

I'm thinking we need to consider looking to super league for some recruits. Maybe those players don't know how bad we are yet.

 

[BLM01]

I tend to agree though I think there are certain times to strike aka last year we could have picked up a Mahoney, Papali or Hynes and not broke the bank. Sometimes it is timing and opportunity but essentially you are correct. Things will get extra tight with Bennett and a 17th team entering.

I look at the Tigers paying too much for Kieran Foran, a good player way at the end of his career and I just think "really"? I don't see that ending too well. They look at us with Macca, Woods and Mbye and think the same but at least they barely factor into the cap.

The Panthers are the pioneers of how to build success from grassroots. They give a blueprint for how it is done.I don't have a problem with giving recognition to other clubs as I mature as an individual but isn't everyone getting sick of looking over at Robinson, Bellamy and the Panthers etc covetously.. I don't know what is up with our structure and personnel but we have been really missing out with junior development for quite some time.
Some you hear of and wait and wait and wait for, many are lost (Schiller's try yesterday, Garrick every week...), and some just underwhelm when they hit the big time at Dragons due to a combination of problems, none the least the first grade coach.

I'm thinking we need to consider looking to super league for some recruits. Maybe those players don't know how bad we are yet.

Not necessarily Super League. They all look good over there compared to this comp.
However Hook and current regime are trying to resurrect our club the right the wrongs of yesteryear under McFail. I am not saying Hook is our future coaching answer either.
We are trying to instill that Panther model as our patch for development would be the envy of many
You referred to juniors who are now starting to shine. Garrick has taken a few years. Schiller is still light and injury prone as still a young body, he is not ready for regular NRL yet but I wanted to keep him as he was recommended and scouted being spotted out at Young and those in the know out there rated him before he came to us.
He is doing well thus far but where would he fit in with the other young guns we resigned?
You cannot keep em all. Some will always get away. You cannot have a NRL squad or reserve grade full of developed juniors. You need experience to compliment.

 

[thebigredv]

Not necessarily Super League. They all look good over there compared to this comp.
However Hook and current regime are trying to resurrect our club the right the wrongs of yesteryear under McFail. I am not saying Hook is our future coaching answer either.
We are trying to instill that Panther model as our patch for development would be the envy of many

The super league comment was in jest or maybe out of desperation I don't know anymore.

The best thing Hook has done has gotten rid of a bunch of deadwood. e.g. he has discarded Fuimaono and Kerr more or less to reggies. Both have potential but constantly disappoint. Done away with the likes of Alvaro, Ellis, Norman, Vaughan, Dufty - all astute calls in my book. On the flip side, to rely on Woods, Mbye and McCullough just undoes it all as far as I am concerned. It's a white flag to the rest of the comp, don't care how much of a bargain they are. We announce some big signings in the next couple months and the fans will quieten down re Hook. We want to see progress and while the demolishing of McFlop's handiwork has begun it really isn't looking like the new facade going up is all that much better. Certainly the scorelines and capitulations don't suggest it.

I know you may disagree but I don't think better results is too much to ask by this point. Walters, Fitzgibbon and Payten have shown what is possible.

 

[Jeremy Dragon]

I look at the Tigers paying too much for Kieran Foran,

You spelt Titans wrong

 

[thebigredv]

You spelt Titans wrong

I actually thought it was Tigers, my bad. Still wouldn't be paying overs for players on the decline.

 

[possm]

Not necessarily Super League. They all look good over there compared to this comp.
However Hook and current regime are trying to resurrect our club the right the wrongs of yesteryear under McFail. I am not saying Hook is our future coaching answer either.
We are trying to instill that Panther model as our patch for development would be the envy of many
You referred to juniors who are now starting to shine. Garrick has taken a few years. Schiller is still light and injury prone as still a young body, he is not ready for regular NRL yet but I wanted to keep him as he was recommended and scouted being spotted out at Young and those in the know out there rated him before he came to us.
He is doing well thus far but where would he fit in with the other young guns we resigned?
You cannot keep em all. Some will always get away. You cannot have a NRL squad or reserve grade full of developed juniors. You need experience to compliment.

Sorry to day mate but the only thing our Board is concerned with right now is how they can justify the appointment of Dean Young as our first-grade coach. Snouts are still in the trough and I'm afraid not much will change until both Dopust and Craig Young are sent packing.

Somehow we need to rid ourselves of WIN and those with their snouts in the trough on the Board.

 

[Lindsay Moss]

The super league comment was in jest or maybe out of desperation I don't know anymore.

The best thing Hook has done has gotten rid of a bunch of deadwood. e.g. he has discarded Fuimaono and Kerr more or less to reggies. Both have potential but constantly disappoint. Done away with the likes of Alvaro, Ellis, Norman, Vaughan, Dufty - all astute calls in my book. On the flip side, to rely on Woods, Mbye and McCullough just undoes it all as far as I am concerned. It's a white flag to the rest of the comp, don't care how much of a bargain they are. We announce some big signings in the next couple months and the fans will quieten down re Hook. We want to see progress and while the demolishing of McFlop's handiwork has begun it really isn't looking like the new facade going up is all that much better. Certainly the scorelines and capitulations don't suggest it.

I know you may disagree but I don't think better results is too much to ask by this point. Walters, Fitzgibbon and Payten have shown what is possible.

Hook actually brought Alvaro to the club

 

[BBTB]

But the good hookers are spread thin and likely will be locked up by their current clubs. There is no one to buy without paying way overs. We have to develop ours somehow

I like what I saw from Conner Muelhsein ,our Reserve grade
hooker.Played really well against Souths in the Charity Shield.

 

[True_Believer]

Not necessarily Super League. They all look good over there compared to this comp.
However Hook and current regime are trying to resurrect our club the right the wrongs of yesteryear under McFail. I am not saying Hook is our future coaching answer either.
We are trying to instill that Panther model as our patch for development would be the envy of many
You referred to juniors who are now starting to shine. Garrick has taken a few years. Schiller is still light and injury prone as still a young body, he is not ready for regular NRL yet but I wanted to keep him as he was recommended and scouted being spotted out at Young and those in the know out there rated him before he came to us.
He is doing well thus far but where would he fit in with the other young guns we resigned?
You cannot keep em all. Some will always get away. You cannot have a NRL squad or reserve grade full of developed juniors. You need experience to compliment.

How long did the Panthers take to rebuild? We laugh at the "5 year plan" of Gould, but the reality is that's at least what it takes.

They started to rebuild in 2011 after finishing 2nd on the ladder. Dropped out of the 8 for 3 years and then have yoyo'd in and out of the 8 for the next 6 years. It wasn't until 2020 that they really started to reap the benefits of their junior program.

We on the other hand have wallowed in obscurity for pretty much the same period. Relying on unproven rookie coaches to pull us out of the mire. No grand plan in mind. Made a couple of finals appearances in that time but in reality we were always just making up the numbers.

Webb arrives in 2020 and we immediately take steps to move on Mary. Since then he's slowly chipped away at a plan to build a more consistent club with a goal of keeping it in the top 8. Covid hits and we lose the NSW cup. Sets us back a couple of years. In Hooks first year BBQ gate creates another disruption to the process but we take action and remove the instigator. We also start to offload some deadwood and bring the cap back into a respectable space. The CoE has been approved and we are taking our first steps to establishing a more professional approach to our pathways and nrl team.

We bring in experience on low cost short contracts to buy time to find the right players to recruit and build juniors. Still difficult with quality players unavailable to fill the gaps without paying overs and juniors only just starting to get time in NSW cup. Still, we recruit players like Suli, Sua and Molo which starts the ball rolling.

Yes, we still have a ways to go, but if we step back and have a good look, we are really only in the first year of the rebuild.

Anybody who thinks this is a quick fix is kidding themselves.

 

[BIG RIG]

According to the Daily Telegraph we are in a very bad salary cap position were we cannot sign any players for next year

Telegraph has stated that

All of
- Josh McGuire
- Tautau Moga
- Jackson Ford
- Billy Burns
- Jack Gosiewski
- Poasa Fa’amusili

have been told they are free to negotiate and leave the club

Also stated in the article is that Josh Kerr has requested to test his value on the open market which has been granted

And it has also been said that they may need to tap someone on the shoulder and tell them they are no longer required - Both Jack De Belin and Zac Lomax have been names as potential options

Ben Hunt may need to take a 400 000 dollar pay cut to stay at the club

whilst it looks like George Burgess will be tapped in the shoulder to leave and Aaron Woods will not have his 1 year option taken up

 

[Trifili13]

According to the Daily Telegraph we are in a very bad salary cap position were we cannot sign any players for next year

Telegraph has stated that

All of
- Josh McGuire
- Tautau Moga
- Jackson Ford
- Billy Burns
- Jack Gosiewski
- Poasa Fa’amusili

have been told they are free to negotiate and leave the club

Also stated in the article is that Josh Kerr has requested to test his value on the open market which has been granted

And it has also been said that they may need to tap someone on the shoulder and tell them they are no longer required - Both Jack De Belin and Zac Lomax have been names as potential options

Ben Hunt may need to take a 400 000 dollar pay cut to stay at the club

whilst it looks like George Burgess will be tapped in the shoulder to leave and Aaron Woods will not have his 1 year option taken up

How is team that has been miles from making the 8 under salary cap pressure? Either club incompetence, officials lacking the skills to run a football organisation or the salary cap system is a joke, or combination of the 3. Given our woeful performances and still being under salary cap pressure if you believe the press, what chance do we, or other lower ranked teams have in attracting quality players that cost more and remain under the cap. As Toovey said "there needs to be an enquiry".

 

[True_Believer]

All of
- Josh McGuire
- Tautau Moga
- Jackson Ford
- Billy Burns
- Jack Gosiewski
- Poasa Fa’amusili

These guys are all off contract at the end of the year. So not sure why they would specifically mention that they are free to look elsewhere - we aren't renewing their contracts anyway. The DT has moved onto the next target to throw shit at.

Difficult to see how they have derived that our cap is in a bad position.