The shoulder charge debate thread

[Renowned League Expert]

Did anyone else see the other article where the brother basically called out Sterlo and told him to walk through the halls of their house and look at photos of his brother etc.?

Like I know the family is hurting and I obviously sympathise with them but I think this is getting a bit ridiculous now. Might be time for them to take a back seat from this for a while.

Yes, exactly. You didn't see Phillip Hughes' family carry on like that; they accepted it for what it was -- horrible luck, and a one in a million occurrence. I hope Sterlo doesn't back down, cause he's done or said nothing wrong.

 

[Renowned League Expert]

The shoulder charge ban was brought in to stop the crazy shoulder charges like GI on Dean Young where he ran in at top speed and dropped his shoulder. There are issues here because how easy it can go wrong

The kind of things players are being suspended for right now are not "charges" they are players being caught wrong footed or coming in with poor technique then bracing for the tackle. This is worth no more than a penalty. There needs to be a distinction between a player "charging" in with their shoulder eg feet moving. And a player just standing there and taking the contact with their shoulder

In cases where the attacking player is dumb enough to run into that shoulder at full pelt (eg the Kane Evans one) the onus is on the attacking player when they come off second best

Ahhh, the voice of sanity.

Shoulder charge, my arse. There hasn't been a single shoulder charge this season.

 

[Parra]

Yes, exactly. You didn't see Phillip Hughes' family carry on like that; they accepted it for what it was -- horrible luck, and a one in a million occurrence. I hope Sterlo doesn't back down, cause he's done or said nothing wrong.

The analogy is moronic.

The comparison of the family reactions is heartless.


Just f**k off.

 

[chrisD]

The analogy is moronic.

The comparison of the family reactions is heartless.


Just f**k off.

Then you'll have no difficulty explaining why the analogy doesn't fit.

 

[chrisD]

why don't you create a website called shoulder charge porn...

you can trade shoulder charge film with others online...or meet up at night in the park

Your attempt to paint those who appreciate shoulder charges as on the fringe is laughable. Shoulder charge porn exists, it is called big hit compilations, they were featured on highlight packages weekly and are the most viewed rugby league videos on YouTube.

 

[Parra]

Then you'll have no difficulty explaining why the analogy doesn't fit.

You are honestly claiming that you believe a bouncer is designed to stop a batsman in his tracks?

 

[Parra]

Then you'll have no difficulty explaining why the analogy doesn't fit.

Only a total f**kwit would make the comparison. Without regard for facts, intent or outcomes.

 

[umina panther]

You are honestly claiming that you believe a bouncer is designed to stop a batsman in his tracks?

Thats it exactly what its for you dope. To hurt and intimate the batsman from getting on the front foot. Stick to union you chump

 

[chrisD]

You are honestly claiming that you believe a bouncer is designed to stop a batsman in his tracks?

Only a total f**kwit would make the comparison. Without regard for facts, intent or outcomes.

Lol please, by all means enlighten us with your facts and figures. Your incredibly poignant argument with regards to intent leaves me in no doubt you'll prove unbeatable with facts and figures.

 

[bfoord]

You are honestly claiming that you believe a bouncer is designed to stop a batsman in his tracks?

Thats it exactly what its for you dope. To hurt and intimate the batsman from getting on the front foot. Stick to union you chump

Thr shoulder charge is the equivalent of bodyline.... Not your regulation bouncer.

And FTR, bodyline was banned due to how dangerous it is.

 

[Parra]

"Stop him in his tracks" = "Get him off the front foot" to the lounge chair tough guys.

Stick to MMA you wankers.

 

[Parra]

Lol please, by all means enlighten us

You want me to show you how to walk without your knuckles dragging on the ground?

 

[chrisD]

Thr shoulder charge is the equivalent of bodyline.... Not your regulation bouncer.

And FTR, bodyline was banned due to how dangerous it is.

Ahuh... You merkins are too stupid to even argue with, just f**king abstract nonsense.

You want me to show you how to walk without your knuckles dragging on the ground?

So your facts and figures are as elusive as a coherent argument. I am so surprised.

 

[Tinkler]

 

[Danish]

Thr shoulder charge is the equivalent of bodyline.... Not your regulation bouncer.

And FTR, bodyline was banned due to how dangerous it is.

They banned the field positionings used in bodyline, they never banned bowling at a player's head

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

I have not seen a single shoulder charge this season -- including the Kane Evans hit. A "shoulder charge", by definition, means you run in and hit with your shoulder. That's why it's called a "charge". The Evans hit was not a shoulder charge; he was stationary, while Kasiano charged at him.

The first thing you are taught as a kid is to tackle with your shoulder.

I've made that point a number of times in relation to the specific case of Mason. He didn't run at all and gets done with a shoulder charge. I give up... Honestly, tonight the new rules were shown to be a complete and utter load of rubbish. Wrapping your arm means nothing in relation to concussion and contact with the head.

Simplify this crap. If you hit the player in the head with your shoulder, either in attack or defence, and without any mitigating circumstance such as falling etc, it is an immediate 1 week minimum charge. No early plea... If you really want to be serious make it 2 weeks.

 

[POPEYE]

I've made that point a number of times in relation to the specific case of Mason. He didn't run at all and gets done with a shoulder charge. I give up... Honestly, tonight the new rules were shown to be a complete and utter load of rubbish. Wrapping your arm means nothing in relation to concussion and contact with the head.

Simplify this crap. If you hit the player in the head with your shoulder, either in attack or defence, and without any mitigating circumstance such as falling etc, it is an immediate 1 week minimum charge. No early plea... If you really want to be serious make it 2 weeks.

We have a winner

 

[Renowned League Expert]

Thr shoulder charge is the equivalent of bodyline.... Not your regulation bouncer.

And FTR, bodyline was banned due to how dangerous it is.

Sure, I can accept that. Problem is, we haven't seen any shoulder charges this year. The NRL simply doesn't know the difference between a shoulder charge and a tackle using your shoulder.

They talk of player welfare, but ultimately what is going to happen is that the defender's welfare will be more and more compromised because he has a 120kg gorilla running at him and he is somehow forced into trying to stop that without using the natural buffer of his shoulder -- something he has been taught to do since he was in the under 7s.

If you look at when injuries occur, you'll find that just as many occur to the defender as the attacker, in fact, probably more so. That's going to be exaggerated even further as the defender's natural arsenal is denied him.

So what then? Perhaps legislate against the attacker running "too hard"?

The essence of what made the game great is being eroded by the corporate world on a daily basis.

A tackle using the shoulder is not a shoulder charge. I have seen shoulder charges; I can remember Adrian Morley rushing into opponents, sometimes even when they couldn't see him coming, and shoulder charging them. Plenty of others, too. All within the rules at the time. If they want to legislate that out of the game, I can cop that. That's a shoulder charge. But simply standing still and having an opponent run full pelt at you and using your shoulder to help stop him -- that's not a shoulder charge, and only a simpleton refuses to see the difference.

Simpletons, corporate slime, lawyers, they all run the game, now.

How did it come to this?

 

[Mr Spock!]

Congrats dipsticks on making the game a laughing stock.

 

[typicalfan]

I have not seen a single shoulder charge this season -- including the Kane Evans hit. A "shoulder charge", by definition, means you run in and hit with your shoulder. That's why it's called a "charge". The Evans hit was not a shoulder charge; he was stationary, while Kasiano charged at him.

The first thing you are taught as a kid is to tackle with your shoulder.

Who the hell coached you. You are taught to use your shoulder in the act of making a tackle. Very different. No coach would coach Evans hit on Kasiano. Not any decent ones anyway.