The shoulder charge debate thread

[Parra]

Everyone knows you need a good spine.

NRL is screwed without one.

 

[adamkungl]

Judiciary did a great thing for Rugby League yesterday.

Presumably Todd will have them fired and continue digging.

 

[betcats]

While its probably the result we all wanted it just adds more confusion to what the f**king the rules are. Todd Shitberg said this week its very clear what is and isn't allowed but that is horseshit as shown last night. How they think they will increase interest in game running a circus like this is beyond me, who the f**k changes rules weeks before the finals. Absolute clowns at the NRL.

They rushed the punch ban which has led to all push scrums every single game. They claimed to be cleaning up the ruck but its worse than ever imo, markers all over the shop, play the balls out the window and super inconsistent penalising of ruck infringements. Now they have completely f**ked this shoulder charge rules up to the point no one knows them.

 

[t-ba]

Toddy has been a monumental failure.

I am sorry, but a nutless monkey could run a club like the Bulldogs well. If he had done a good job with a clusterf**k of a club like the Sharks or Manly it would have been impressive. This is classic peter principle in effect.

 

[adamkungl]

While its probably the result we all wanted it just adds more confusion to what the f**king the rules are. Todd Shitberg said this week its very clear what is and isn't allowed but that is horseshit as shown last night. How they think they will increase interest in game running a circus like this is beyond me, who the f**k changes rules weeks before the finals. Absolute clowns at the NRL.

They rushed the punch ban which has led to all push scrums every single game. They claimed to be cleaning up the ruck but its worse than ever imo, markers all over the shop, play the balls out the window and super inconsistent penalising of ruck infringements. Now they have completely f**ked this shoulder charge rules up to the point no one knows them.

I hope the fiasco drags on another couple of weeks ago because with some luck it might bring down Greenberg or at least force an embarrassing backtrack from the NRL.

Toddy has been a monumental failure.

I am sorry, but a nutless monkey could run a club like the Bulldogs well. If he had done a good job with a clusterf**k of a club like the Sharks or Manly it would have been impressive. This is classic peter principle in effect.

His tenure as chief of football at the NRL has been nothing but failure.

The first notable thing to happen was the Barba cover-up (from his time at the Dogs) revealed in his first couple of months at the NRL.

From then on he has overseen numerous rule changes which have been at best pointless (7-tackle sets) but usually downright bad (video ref referrals, shoulder charge).

He has maintained and contributed to an environment of poor attitudes and a confusing rulebook that results in refs being poorer than ever, having no confidence in their own ability, and rampantly wasting time with the video, which continues to get things bafflingly wrong anyway despite a dozen replays.

The above two points are pushing fans away from attending Rugby League matches and watching games outside their own club.

The current debacle shows that the NRL doesn't understand the sport well enough to write or enforce rules.

Time to go Todd.

 

[betcats]

The Barba cover up should of been the end of him but no one at the NRL can admit to doing anything wrong. Typically one of the NRLs next major appointments became involved in a cover up scandal as well...and why not? If Toddy can do it why shouldn't every club?

 

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What are people getting themselves so worked up about? The NRL set the rule, the MRC obviously didn't apply it correctly in charging players which is why the judiciary exonerated them. Under the rule those players shouldn't have been charged for shoulder charges, which is what everyone was saying leading up to the judiciary. The problem lies with the MRC for charging them in the first place, unless we are to believe that these incidents are what the NRL wants to get rid of, which is ridiculous.

 

[adamkungl]

The NRL's comments through the week made it quite clear they wanted these suspended.

 

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The NRL's comments through the week made it quite clear they wanted these suspended.

Where? They aren't allowed to talk about incidents in front of judiciary.

 

[adamkungl]

When asked about the issue as a result of the week's charges, Greenberg insisted the rules are "crystal clear". To me that sounds like he was pretty confident that the MRC had it right.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=9020036

 

[betcats]

What are people getting themselves so worked up about? The NRL set the rule, the MRC obviously didn't apply it correctly in charging players which is why the judiciary exonerated them. Under the rule those players shouldn't have been charged for shoulder charges, which is what everyone was saying leading up to the judiciary. The problem lies with the MRC for charging them in the first place, unless we are to believe that these incidents are what the NRL wants to get rid of, which is ridiculous.

The NRL set the rule, then they changed it 4 weeks prior to the finals because of 1 incident that got some media attention. So that is piss poor imo.

Also how does Willie Mason get suspended but Guerra and Luke get off? Parker, GI and Mason were on sterlo last night when the Luke decision came through. Parker was basically in the middle of saying he supports the black and white stance the NRL are taking and then once the decision came through he just said he has no idea about the rule now. Everyone is confused by this crap. Rushing rule changes late midseason because of individual incidents not being handled the way they want is absolutely ridiculous IMO.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Willie and Manly should've fought the charge.

 

[Tinkler]

The NRL set the rule, then they changed it 4 weeks prior to the finals because of 1 incident that got some media attention. So that is piss poor imo.

Also how does Willie Mason get suspended but Guerra and Luke get off? Parker, GI and Mason were on sterlo last night when the Luke decision came through. Parker was basically in the middle of saying he supports the black and white stance the NRL are taking and then once the decision came through he just said he has no idea about the rule now. Everyone is confused by this crap. Rushing rule changes late midseason because of individual incidents not being handled the way they want is absolutely ridiculous IMO.

that 1 incident resulted in a dead player.

can you imagine if that was Live Friday night NRL game.

when someone dies from a shoulder charge that all 16 doctors wrote a letter to the NRL to ban then the game has massive liability.

do you understand anything about the law ?

ethical, legal and moral responsibility ?

Red the article in 2012 from below

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...ge-from-the-game/story-fn2mcuj6-1226423232247

LEADING sports doctors are united - the shoulder charge should be outlawed in the NRL as soon as possible.

After 104 years, the game's most controversial tackle is finally set to be banned. The Daily Telegraph can reveal all 16 NRL club doctors are united in calling for an immediate ruling from the league.

Amid worldwide fears about concussion in sport, a committee has been set up to investigate the physical impact a shoulder charge can have on a player's neck, head or brain.

Exhibit A should be Saturday night's horror tackle on Dragons' Dean Young by Rabbitoh Greg Inglis. The Souths fullback collected Young in the head with his shoulder, and the Dragon had to leave the field in a neck brace aboard a medicab.

The committee will be headed by former Sydney Roosters chief executive Brian Canavan and include ex-rugby league doctor Hugh Hazard, NRL chief medical officer Ron Muratore, principal scientist at the NSW Institute of Sport Kenneth Graham and Donna O'Connor, an associate professor at Sydney University.

Spokesman for the Rugby League Medical Officer's Association of club doctors, orthopedic surgeon Sam Sorrenti, said last night the shoulder charge must be banned.

"It is only a matter of time before there is a major disaster," Sorrenti said. "It's very dangerous and if it goes wrong, there can be terrible concussion. There is no point reacting after something has gone wrong. We don't want to turn rugby league into a sissy's game but we have a duty of care for the players' welfare.

"Our job is to warn the NRL of the potential problems. It's up to the NRL to take that advice. The rules need to be modified ASAP to protect the players' long-term wellbeing."

The NRL match review committee is today expected to charge Inglis.

SG Managament, the company which looks after Young, went on Twitter yesterday, revealing how sick the Dragons player was.

"True story. Dean Young told trainer: 'Tell Brownie (former Dragons coach Nathan Brown) to put me back on'. Gaga land last night. Lost five years of memory," the company tweeted.

Canavan's committee, set up before the Inglis incident, hopes to have a report for the NRL in the coming weeks.

"We will do it thoroughly and it will be all evidence-based rather than opinion," Canavan said.

Michael Johnson, who was Parramatta's doctor for 33 years, also called on the NRL to eradicate the shoulder injury.

"It should be banned because of the risk to the head and neck," Johnson said.

"It's becoming an epidemic now - it is the current-day stiff arm tackle. I don't think it will be long before there is a serious neck or brain injury. Players hit repeatedly in the head will be punch-drunk 20 years after they stop playing."

Roosters medical officer Dr John Orchard says there have been 15 players taken out of games by dubious tackles, but in only one instance was there a send-off, with Dragons star, Matt Prior marched for elbowing Cowboys skipper Johnathan Thurston.

NRL director of football Nathan McGuirk confirmed the tackle was under scrutiny.

"It is too early to come to any conclusion but hopefully it will be completed by the end of the year," he said.

 

[Tinkler]

If banning the shoulder charge saves one life, i think people can live without it.

 

[adamkungl]

If banning the shoulder charge saves one life, i think people can live without it.

Not worth it.

This logic could be applied countless times in every day situations.

 

[DiegoNT]

If banning the shoulder charge saves one life, i think people can live without it.

It's been banned. We've seen a ban on the type of tackle Inglis and Kane Evans have done. These tackles will be penalized and heavily suspended into the future. They are already a rarity in the nrl.
The tackles luke, tafua and guerra done are a different kind of tackle. Theirs were a more brace and bump then a shoulder charge and these will continue to happen in the game no matter how many rules are brought in, as they are a reactionary tackle as opposed to the shoulder charge which is a preplanned and attacking kind of tackle. These are not the tackles that will see players lose their lives, that argument needs to be saved for the true Evans style shoulder charge

 

[Tinkler]

Not worth it.

This logic could be applied countless times in every day situations.

can you provide examples of something in the workplace that doctors or experts said should be banned but not ?

 

[betcats]

that 1 incident resulted in a dead player.

can you imagine if that was Live Friday night NRL game.

when someone dies from a shoulder charge that all 16 doctors wrote a letter to the NRL to ban then the game has massive liability.

do you understand anything about the law ?

ethical, legal and moral responsibility ?

Red the article in 2012 from below

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...ge-from-the-game/story-fn2mcuj6-1226423232247

LEADING sports doctors are united - the shoulder charge should be outlawed in the NRL as soon as possible.

After 104 years, the game's most controversial tackle is finally set to be banned. The Daily Telegraph can reveal all 16 NRL club doctors are united in calling for an immediate ruling from the league.

Amid worldwide fears about concussion in sport, a committee has been set up to investigate the physical impact a shoulder charge can have on a player's neck, head or brain.

Exhibit A should be Saturday night's horror tackle on Dragons' Dean Young by Rabbitoh Greg Inglis. The Souths fullback collected Young in the head with his shoulder, and the Dragon had to leave the field in a neck brace aboard a medicab.

The committee will be headed by former Sydney Roosters chief executive Brian Canavan and include ex-rugby league doctor Hugh Hazard, NRL chief medical officer Ron Muratore, principal scientist at the NSW Institute of Sport Kenneth Graham and Donna O'Connor, an associate professor at Sydney University.

Spokesman for the Rugby League Medical Officer's Association of club doctors, orthopedic surgeon Sam Sorrenti, said last night the shoulder charge must be banned.

"It is only a matter of time before there is a major disaster," Sorrenti said. "It's very dangerous and if it goes wrong, there can be terrible concussion. There is no point reacting after something has gone wrong. We don't want to turn rugby league into a sissy's game but we have a duty of care for the players' welfare.

"Our job is to warn the NRL of the potential problems. It's up to the NRL to take that advice. The rules need to be modified ASAP to protect the players' long-term wellbeing."

The NRL match review committee is today expected to charge Inglis.

SG Managament, the company which looks after Young, went on Twitter yesterday, revealing how sick the Dragons player was.

"True story. Dean Young told trainer: 'Tell Brownie (former Dragons coach Nathan Brown) to put me back on'. Gaga land last night. Lost five years of memory," the company tweeted.

Canavan's committee, set up before the Inglis incident, hopes to have a report for the NRL in the coming weeks.

"We will do it thoroughly and it will be all evidence-based rather than opinion," Canavan said.

Michael Johnson, who was Parramatta's doctor for 33 years, also called on the NRL to eradicate the shoulder injury.

"It should be banned because of the risk to the head and neck," Johnson said.

"It's becoming an epidemic now - it is the current-day stiff arm tackle. I don't think it will be long before there is a serious neck or brain injury. Players hit repeatedly in the head will be punch-drunk 20 years after they stop playing."

Roosters medical officer Dr John Orchard says there have been 15 players taken out of games by dubious tackles, but in only one instance was there a send-off, with Dragons star, Matt Prior marched for elbowing Cowboys skipper Johnathan Thurston.

NRL director of football Nathan McGuirk confirmed the tackle was under scrutiny.

"It is too early to come to any conclusion but hopefully it will be completed by the end of the year," he said.

I wasnt referring to that death. I was referring to the Kane Evans shot and subsequent tweaking of the rules. Im happy for shoulder charges to be banned. Im not happy with reactionary administrators changing rules on a whim.

 

[coolsteve]

well, with all the new money the NRL gets from tv rights, every suspect shoulder charge goes to a panel to be reviewed, without a grading. if deemed a shouder charge , charge `em . if not, don't even call `em. who gives a

 

[gUt]

First they banned fists. Then they banned shoulders. They'll be coming for the elbow next.