the significance of arsenal's victory over juventus

[nibbs]

the premiership's 5th best team beat serie a's best team, who have been beaten only once this season, comfortably, just let me add. judging by this, roma are probably only as good charlton or manchester city. they'd definitely finish mid table, probably in the lower half. juventus would be lucky to finish 6th. this means that we can safely conclude that the premiership is a better league than serie a.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Excellent reasoning Kurt. How could anyone possibly argue with that?

 

[Macca_]

the premiership's 5th best team beat serie a's best team, who have been beaten only once this season, comfortably, just let me add. judging by this, roma are probably only as good charlton or manchester city. they'd definitely finish mid table, probably in the lower half. juventus would be lucky to finish 6th. this means that we can safely conclude that the premiership is a better league than serie a.

Can't agree at all. And does it really matter?

There is no way you can compare the leagues like that. If you're going to use Arsenal as the example at least take things in perspective.

You're talking about a team that only 2 seasons ago went a FULL season undefetaed in the league. You're talking about a team that has been in the top 2 in the league for the past 9 seasons. It's (I hate the word) a rebuilding season to some extent with all the young players being bought on and a changing of the guard re Vieira etc. Also take into account the ammount of injuries Arsenal have had this season.

The emergence of youth, players like Vieira leaving and the number of injuries to key position in particular in the defensive line has meant it's been an inconsitant season for them. However now with some of these kids really standing up to be counted, a settled backline (still without 3 first choice players) and some confidence about the team they are showing the type of football they are capable of and a glimpse of the future for the club in their new stadium next season.

Whatever spin you put on it, you're not talking about your average every day 5th team in the league. I think you're being very harsh on not only Juventus, but the Italian league.

Each to their own though.

 

[Tomm]

Come on you Spurs.

 

[Macca_]

Come on you Spurs.

Well yes... That would have been a better exapmle to use for a mid table premiership side ;-)

Yes yes, I know they 'currently' occupy the spot above the gunners :lol:

 

[nibbs]

Whatever spin you put on it, you're not talking about your average every day 5th team in the league. I think you're being very harsh on not only Juventus, but the Italian league.

the thing is, Macca_, the italian league, except for Inter and Cagliari, is a disgrace.

 

[Tomm]

Well yes... That would have been a better exapmle to use for a mid table premiership side ;-)

Yes yes, I know they 'currently' occupy the spot above the gunners :lol:

You said it.

 

[Macca_]

You said it.

You'll note the use of 'currently'

And as I type this, Arsenal are 2-0 up over Villa, Sp*rs trail 3-1 to Newcastle, just about half time in both.

Results stay the same, it's a 2 point gap, Gunners with game in hand and the derby game still to come at Highbury.

'Currently'

 

[Dragooner]

It was a massive win for Arsenal. Not in matter of the score but to beat the best team in Italy. But this gives no one the right to say that the Serie A is worse then the EPL. Teams win games and teams lose games. For all we care Juve could smash Arsenal in the Second Legg. It's completely unfair to say one league is better than another.

 

[Jackal Dog]

the premiership's 5th best team beat serie a's best team, who have been beaten only once this season, comfortably, just let me add. judging by this, roma are probably only as good charlton or manchester city. they'd definitely finish mid table, probably in the lower half. juventus would be lucky to finish 6th. this means that we can safely conclude that the premiership is a better league than serie a.

There are still 3 Italian teams in the CL compared to one "English" team (and I use the term loosely cause a Englishman at Arsenal is pretty rare these days)

 

[Macca_]

There are still 3 Italian teams in the CL compared to one "English" team (and I use the term loosely cause a Englishman at Arsenal is pretty rare these days)

Not that there is anything wrong with that though right????

The best leagues in the world attract the best players in the world. Just because there isn't a whole heap of English players at a club doesn't make them any less an English League team...

To be honest it's one of the lamest debates in world soccer which gets the eyes rolling when every now and then it gets bought up during commentary. I mean really, does it matter that much?

Arsenal as a club, play in the English Premier League. They are an English Club.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

the italian league, except for Inter, is a disgrace.

:lol:

 

[domdom]

out of the three top leagues in europe (italy, england, spain), they all have their good and bad points, but you cant judge a league just by the representatives in a knockout competition.

easiest way to do it, is watch matches from each league and amke your judgement from that.

thanks to fox, i've followed matches in all three leagues for a couple of years, and for me, the league with the most talent and most entertaining football would be the spanish league. matches from the italian league are a little slow for my taste, and alot of teams in the EPL play like they are still in the 1970's, lobbing longballs from a five man defence to a lone, tall timber forward.

its all about taste. spanish league suits mine, so i think its the best. others will think differently

 

[hybrid_tiger]

:lol:

:lol::lol:

Inter.

Maybe next year...

Hang on, haven't we heard that before!? :lol:

PERRRRDEEENNNTTTIIIIIII!!!!

 

[MONY]

Spanish
Italian
English
German
Portuguese
French
Dutch
Scottish

 

[domdom]

Spanish
Italian
English
German
Portuguese
French
Dutch
Scottish

you're on the money mate.

 

[weasel]

I'd put english in second ahead of italian, imo. You gotta look at the league as a whole instead of just comparing the top teams. Second-tier teams in England like Newcastle, Tottenham, Man City, Everton, Aston Villa are still extremely wealthy and have impressive buying power in comparison to clubs with a similar standing in the continental leagues.

There's a real divide between rich and poor in Italy (also in Spain, but the depth of talent is phenomenal, the smaller clubs can still produce highly skilled squads on lower budgets) and a lot of the clubs aren't up to scratch.

 

[MONY]

English is not better than Italian...... sorry Weasel

 

[sunny]

two dreadfully boring games there this morning

 

[Macca_]

Wouldn't have expected much else though sunny...

The away team in the first game had a 2-0 lead to defend.

Whilst the home team in the second game knew if they conceded they needed to win the match.

Were always going to be defensive battles.