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The T.V Rights Thread Part III

How much will the Total Broadcast Rights Deal be?


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El Diablo

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Fox and 9 were teaming up for the AFL rights and 9 still didn't get them

all it did was force 7 to do the same

so you're miracle call is a bit silly
 

nqboy

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Ten and seven are going to need a miracle to get the rights. Fox and nine have basically teamed up and good luck beating Murdoch.
while I'd prefer that Nein lost the rights and were damned to Hell as the third network, I can live with this scenario as long as they are bent over and reamed royally for the rights.
 

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Hmm... last weekend is interesting.

Round 2 of the AFL saw -
2 AFL games in 5 metros on F2A - SYD, MEL, BRI, PER, ADE
2 AFL games in 3 metros on F2A - (MEL, BRI, ADE) & (SYD, MEL, BRI)
1 AFL game in 2 metros on F2A - SYD & PER
3 AFL games in 1 metro on F2A - (PER), (ADE), (BRI)
(so that's 8 AFL games on F2A!)

So the end result is -
Sydney - 5 F2A AFL games
Melbourne - 4 F2A AFL games
Brisbane - 5 F2A AFL games
Perth - 4 F2A AFL games
Adelaide - 4 F2A AFL games
plus all 9 games Syndicated on Foxtel

The average audience for a Rnd 2 AFL match (across 5 capitals on F2A and the simulcast) is 449,000 per game approx

As you can see the potential audience reach of the AFL is quite large -

BUT -

The NRL has
3 F2A games in 5 capitals now (only 1 game out of 3 is live mind you)
5 games restricted to Foxtel

When you compare the two it doesn't seem to be an even fight... yet...

The NRL's average audience for a Rnd 6 match (across 5 capitals on F2A and Foxtel games) is 410,625 per game approx.

Now at first glance you might look at that and say the NRL's per game average is lower but you have to concede that the NRL i has a much more restricted potential audience and has far less content on F2A - yet is still pulling strong & comparable numbers.

It would actually only take 1 extra game on F2A (from the current 8 games) to draw level with what the AFL are averaging with 4-5 games in the metros AND with simulcasting.

But with even more games - perhaps the full 8-9 as per the 10/Foxtel concept - and with simulcasting and market targeting - the NRL would pull even further ahead. In time the new markets in Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne will also grow.

And yes, that's without even including the regionals which is where the gap truly widens. :cool:

Food for thought.
 

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Fox and 9 were teaming up for the AFL rights and 9 still didn't get them

all it did was force 7 to do the same

so you're miracle call is a bit silly

Ch9 were bidding for the last AFL rights, but the stumbling block that led to them pulling out was the "simulcast" issue with Foxtel. Ch7 are the biggest losers from the current rights for the myriad of reasons that I have already been mentioned (besides simulcasting with Foxtel)
 

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Doesn't the replay on Foxtel start earlier than the 9 game in Perth?

They both start at the same time (4pm in Perth), but given that the majority of league supporters in Perth have Foxtel, they can simply watch the replay on Fox Sports which finishes 30 mins earlier than the GEM broadcast and furthermore, without the ad breaks (which normally occur at the most inappropriate moments of the game when a passage of play is starting to build up). Absolutely stupid decision from 9 to shift the Sunday game to 4pm. Should've kept it at 2pm.
 

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yeh very annoying, should have put it live on main Ch9 channel not delayed on GEM. As said any league fan in perth will have Foxtel after Eyars of shafting by 9 and will be watching it ad free,for the rest of the masses they probably don't even know it is on given Ch9 are not advertising it anywhere.
 

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And, given the way the Storm and Broncos are going, that Storm/Broncos Friday night match after Origin I is set to be a ratings blockbuster. If they show that live (which most likely they will over the Souffs/Raiders match) on the main channels, I can see that game pushing 1 million across the metros.
 

nqboy

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They both start at the same time (4pm in Perth), but given that the majority of league supporters in Perth have Foxtel, they can simply watch the replay on Fox Sports which finishes 30 mins earlier than the GEM broadcast and furthermore, without the ad breaks (which normally occur at the most inappropriate moments of the game when a passage of play is starting to build up). Absolutely stupid decision from 9 to shift the Sunday game to 4pm. Should've kept it at 2pm.
Unless they are trying to minimise the veiwer numbers to minimise the price they pay for the rights.
 

El Diablo

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Ch9 were bidding for the last AFL rights, but the stumbling block that led to them pulling out was the "simulcast" issue with Foxtel. Ch7 are the biggest losers from the current rights for the myriad of reasons that I have already been mentioned (besides simulcasting with Foxtel)

channel 9 were the first to bring the simulcast to the table

it was their idea
 

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Having had to live without Foxtel while I move into my new house I don't know how fans can stand to have just 3 games on FTA. I forgot how used I was to watching NRL 4 dyas a week.
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...p-12b-from-tv-rights-deal-20120412-1wwnz.html

RUGBY LEAGUE is guaranteed a $1.2 billion broadcasting deal, with monopoly pay-TV network Fox Sports declaring it won't be beaten for the five-year rights.

Fox Sports' new boss, Patrick Delany, has allayed fears of NRL club bosses his sports production company is complacent about the rights, saying for the first time the company will pay a just, competitive price to televise the code.

''We are motivated to bid strongly,'' Delany said, anticipating strong opposition from channels Seven and Ten.

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"Fox Sports still sees plenty of room for subscription growth among NRL fans" ... Patrick Delany, Fox Sports chief executive. Photo: Louie Douvis
Fox Sports has combined with Channel Nine to retain the rights they have held since the formation of the NRL at the end of the Super League war.

Nine has a first and last hold on free-to-air TV rights while Fox Sports has the same control over the pay-TV rights.

Both broadcasters will retain their opportunity to make a final, rights-clinching bid if their initial offer is not bettered by 20 per cent from a rival.

Because it's anticipated Seven and Ten will require a pay-TV partner to program all eight games a week, club bosses feared the combined Nine-Fox Sports bid would blow any rival out of the water.

Seven televises four AFL games a week, meaning it has limited programming space for rugby league, while Ten is cash poor. However, Nine and Fox Sports are aware cash-rich Seven could make what is called a ''swamper'' offer for all games, knowing it can onsell some to Fox Sports, which needs rugby league to retain subscribers in NSW and Queensland.

Alternatively, Seven and Ten could combine, as they have for AFL rights in the past.

Delany rejected fears the Nine-Fox Sports pact was designed to scare off rivals, pointing out a joint venture bid was outside those rights.

''The 'first' and 'last' are contained in the individual arrangements between broadcasters and the NRL,'' he said. ''Combining with Nine does not enhance or detract from existing rights. The driver reason for working with Nine is all positive - it goes to expanding rights contained in the current deals in order for Fox Sports to give life to new opportunities such as 'all games live' on Fox Sports. It also goes to joint production of games, which may reduce costs.''

Fox Sports, which shows five NRL games a week live, clearly wants to broadcast a further three games concurrently with Nine.

A similar relationship between Foxtel and Seven - achieved with their $1.25 billion AFL deal - has all nine AFL games shown live on pay TV.

It is working well, with Easter Monday's Hawthorn-Geelong game shown on both Seven and pay TV, with 334,400 fans preferring to watch the game on Fox Sports rather than free-to-air TV.

Delany allayed another fear that Fox Sports, having reached near saturation subscription levels in the rugby league states, would not be motivated to pay the same as Foxtel has outlaid for AFL where subscriptions in Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia are significantly lower.

''Fox Sports still sees plenty of room for subscription growth among NRL fans and general sports fans in NSW and Queensland,'' he said. ''While it is true that we have good subscription TV saturation in both NSW and Queensland, when, say, compared to Victoria, there is plenty of growth left, especially if we can get new ways to present the NRL, such as every game live.''

The recently approved merger between Foxtel and Austar opens up opportunities for Fox Sports because of rugby league's strong following in rural and regional NSW and Queensland.

The AFL has significantly less support in regional Australia, which is why the southern code traditionally uses six capital city numbers when it boasts about free-to-air ratings.

Delany also sought to allay fears rugby league is at a disadvantage to AFL because rugby league's broadcasting contract was with Fox Sports, while the AFL is with Foxtel.

Foxtel is half-owned by Telstra, with News Ltd and James Packer's Consolidated Media Holdings each owning 25 per cent. News Ltd and CMH each owns half of Fox Sports.

Fox Sports charges Foxtel for the supply of NRL programming, including the cost of the rights.

Effectively, this means Telstra money goes directly to the AFL for AFL rights, while Telstra money goes to Rupert Murdoch and James Packer for NRL rights.

This arrangement has long been viewed as a means of Murdoch and Packer using rugby league to pay for their outlay during the Super League war, a conflict fought over pay-TV rights.

Delany insists the arrangement is merely historical, rather than conspiratorial: ''When subscription TV was originally set up, Fox Sports was paid on the basis that it attracted and paid for the NRL rights within the fees paid to Fox Sports by Foxtel,'' he said. ''At that stage Foxtel had no AFL rights. When the opportunity came up to get AFL rights in 2002 [via Nine] - Foxtel bid for the rights and created the first Fox Footy channel. In 2007, Foxtel again attracted the AFL rights [via Seven] but asked us to produce the games as it was within our core expertise. The same happened in 2012.''

Recent Foxtel internal research demonstrates that rugby league is vital to the success of the network and, furthermore, there are significant opportunities for growth.

Yet Foxtel will not bid against Fox Sports for NRL rights.

A Foxtel spokesman cited ''commercial in-confidence'' when asked why Foxtel would not bid, and a Telstra spokeswoman said the telco's interests were protected by having a representative on the Foxtel board.

Rugby league players, clubs and officials will have a strong indication of what the game will receive in less than three weeks when Nine and Fox Sports tender their separate first offers, together with a combined one.

The existing $500 million six-year deal will certainly be exceeded but in the unlikely event the top bid falls short of $1 billion over five years, the new ARL Commission will probably insist on a short-term deal, knowing broadcasters demand surety in their planning and programming. They will gamble on this strategy driving the broadcasters back to the negotiating table.
 
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If they are willing to do that with 9,then 10 will just have to put up a better offer.
Open slather on the bidding,after the end of this month.
 
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