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The TV rights thread part II

Providing the price is right which is your preferred FTA broadcast option?

  • All games on Seven

    Votes: 11 4.2%
  • All games on Nine

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • All games on Ten

    Votes: 59 22.6%
  • Seven/Nine split

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Seven/Ten split

    Votes: 109 41.8%
  • Nine/Ten split

    Votes: 55 21.1%

  • Total voters
    261
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docbrown

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The big drop off on a Friday night between the 2 NRL games is interesting. Is this because it isn't a live game or becuase it is on too late for families?

* Late
* Ads
* Delayed and result is over
* Ratings are measured in 15 minute spots. In prime time the number of viewers naturally diminishes with each increment, so the overall average for a later programming will naturally be lower.

By starting coverage at 7pm with a 7:22pm kickoff and 2nd game end at 11:10pm will alleviate some of the problem.

Or alternatively, offer the choice at 7:30pm on a digital (as more viewers are already tuned in).
 

Brutus

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Shit I don't follow AFL at all, from what I understand though Swans haven't been a genuine Grand Final contender for awhile?

Their ratings have always been shit, even in 2005.

Their prelim final and GF rated well that year but that was about it.

I remember a Swans prelim final (i think in 03 ) was absolutely smashed in the ratings by a Canberra v Warriors semi in Sydney.
 

El Diablo

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Their ratings have always been shit, even in 2005.

Their prelim final and GF rated well that year but that was about it.

I remember a Swans prelim final (i think in 03 ) was absolutely smashed in the ratings by a Canberra v Warriors semi in Sydney.



http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16569354%255E19742,00.html

Sydneysiders love Patrick Swayze more than footy
12 September 2005 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett

PATRICK Swayze's hip-grinding moves in Dirty Dancing, the cult movie released 18 years ago, were of more interest to Sydney TV viewers last Friday than the Swans-Geelong semi-final.

So too was the ABC's Silent Witness, the second day of the fifth Ashes Test on SBS, and the rugby league on Channel 9.


At least Sydney viewers were prepared to channel surf late in the Swans match, with the peak of 378,000 recorded about the time Nick Davis booted his match-winning goal.

While Ten recorded great results nationally for its coverage of the second semi-final, the difficulty in penetrating the Sydney market was again underlined. For the duration of the match Sydney's average audience was about 230,000. Between 8.30-9.30, it ran fifth behind all other free-to-air networks.

The rugby league final between Wests Tigers and North Queensland dominated Friday night viewing in Sydney, peaking at 561,000.

Despite the hit on Sydney, Ten still managed a national average audience of 1.152 million for the Swans match. Saturday night's Adelaide-Port Adelaide final had a national average of 1.241 million.
 

Brutus

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Good find their El D.

If I recall, the Swans v Geelong game went down to the final second and the Tigers v Cowboys was something like a 50-point flogging.

And the Cowboys game still smashed the fumbleball in Sydney.
 

Quidgybo

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* Late
* Ads
* Delayed and result is over
* Ratings are measured in 15 minute spots. In prime time the number of viewers naturally diminishes with each increment, so the overall average for a later programming will naturally be lower.
And it's generally the less interesting match for each market. NSW is getting the Queensland focused match and vice versa.

Leigh
 

docbrown

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And it's generally the less interesting match for each market. NSW is getting the Queensland focused match and vice versa.

Leigh

Yep.

Whereas 7:30 will also get fringe viewers 9:30 will mostly get club fans and hardcore rugby league fans.
 

Brutus

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Sunday
17 Nine’s Sunday Football Nine 619,000 340,000 *** 278,000 *** ***
27 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 23: Melbourne Vs Gold Coast Seven 308,000 35,000 159,000 52,000 *** 62,000

Ratings for Sunday's NRL & AFL.

1.4 billion please
 

CC_Roosters

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How good is it having a game on a sunday night, a must have in the new media deal for me. Could be one for fox if they lose MNF.

I would also like to see the presenters at a stadium studio a lot more like they are now at the SFS, looks much better.
 
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Sunday:
Rnk Description Stn Network Sydney Melbourne Brisbane Adelaide Perth
14 Nine’s Sunday Football Nine 647,000 314,000 *** 333,000 *** ***

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/09/week-37-4.html

No surprise on the Brisbane figures, though being a live game yesterday (and how good was it sitting down at 4pm and watching it LIVE) it rated on par in Sydney, if not less than recent weeks with delayed broadcasts.....

Round 25 Broncos vs Rabbitohs - 340,000
Round 24 Tigers vs Eels - 392,000
Round 23 Dragons vs Roosters - 336,000
Round 22 Sea Eagles vs Roosters - 298,000


I understand it was a non-Sydney team playing a historically lower TV rating Sydney team, but still; being live I was personally hoping the figures would be better considering the occasion and the broadcast.
 

docbrown

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It's the strongest Sunday news lead in and it will only get stronger if/when 4 teams are featured in the double header.
 

smithie

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Nine’s Sunday Football (647,000), which was broadcast live, actually out rated Nine’s Live Friday Night Football (620,000) over the weekend. Bring on the live FTA Sunday afternoon doubleheader in the new media deal.
 

carlosthedwarf

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I can see the dipshits at Nine will attributing it to Lockyer and still try to get away with delayed sport in 2013.

29 Darren Lockyer – A Lap Of Honour Nine 267,000 *** *** 267,000 *** ***

Pretty high for a lap of honour.

That 600k on Friday is pretty bad considering Souffs were playing for a spot in the finals. I'd imagine the metro+regional would still be good since the Knights are a draw.
 

Billythekid

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That 600k on Friday is pretty bad considering Souffs were playing for a spot in the finals. I'd imagine the metro+regional would still be good since the Knights are a draw.

The regional ratings weren't far behind the metro figures. Overall including regionals we still rated higher than the AFL despite their game involving some of their biggest teams.
 

Raiderdave

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I can see the dipshits at Nine will attributing it to Lockyer and still try to get away with delayed sport in 2013.



Pretty high for a lap of honour.

That 600k on Friday is pretty bad considering Souffs were playing for a spot in the finals. I'd imagine the metro+regional would still be good since the Knights are a draw.

530K regionals for a total of 1.160 Mill according to thinkTV

http://www.thinktv.com.au/SiteMedia...y_Ratings_Report_-_Week_35_&_Week_36_2011.pdf

beating the AWful game between colaringlton & geewhiz.. or whoever the hell it was that played by 164K overall
they put on their biggest games .. their blockbusters
& they still get knocked off ;-)
 

docbrown

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530K regionals for a total of 1.160 Mill according to thinkTV

http://www.thinktv.com.au/SiteMedia...y_Ratings_Report_-_Week_35_&_Week_36_2011.pdf

beating the AWful game between colaringlton & geewhiz.. or whoever the hell it was that played by 164K overall
they put on their biggest games .. their blockbusters
& they still get knocked off ;-)

And it just highlights the poor numbers AFL gets in regional areas.

Whilst WA & SA aren't included on the ThinkTV list, the majority of their state populations are already covered by the metro system.

The outback diary markets aren't covered either - but this covers large swathes of regional NT, WA, QLD & NSW - where at most the split is 50/50 in terms of appeal - these are later accounted for though when the networks do their end of year tallies.

The only significant AFL area not to be included is Tasmania, where the AFL can pull 80k.

But even if you include that with the 183k for their blockbuster match, it's still outrated by the Sunday football regionals.

The regional ratings for AFL hover around the 150k-200k mark and don't compare to the NRL regionals. The reason being
a) their heartland populations are concentrated more in the capitals and have fewer 250,000+ secondary regions
b) The NRL heartland is less concentrated and has more large rural centres - Canberra, Wollongong, Central Coast, Hunter, North Coast, Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Cairns et al

Even then we still smash them 2 metros to 5. :cool:
 

docbrown

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Nine’s Sunday Football (647,000), which was broadcast live, actually out rated Nine’s Live Friday Night Football (620,000) over the weekend. Bring on the live FTA Sunday afternoon doubleheader in the new media deal.

Two live games will pay off big time.

I've said before it has the potential to rival Friday nights. Then if we bring in select Sunday Night games on Foxtel, it's boom time.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...y-takes-his-time/story-e6frg9if-1226130936200

TV sports game drags on and on as Conroy takes his time

James Chessell
From: The Australian
September 07, 2011 12:00AM

IT is becoming difficult to remember a time when the anti-siphoning rules governing sports broadcasting were not in the process of being changed.

If you take as your starting point the release of a discussion paper on a review of the scheme in August 2009, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has been fiddling away for more than two years. No less than 13 prime ministerships have taken less time. And that's not including Julia Gillard, whose administration is looking shakier than a toddler in high heels after just one year and 75 days.

Of course, sports broadcasting nuts will tell you that Conroy did announce the broad bones of a revised scheme last November. This included new rules that would compel the free-to-air networks to show "iconic" events such as the Bathurst 1000 live, allow the same networks to show lesser events such as regular-season NRL games on digital channels and give pay-TV the ability to bid directly for some regular-season AFL and NRL matches.

He also announced an updated list of sporting events that were "protected" for the free-to-air networks, which contained some minor inclusions (Twenty20 cricket matches involving Australia) and deletions (Rugby World Cup games not involving Australia).

But all this took the form of a rather general agreement that required the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 to be amended. It also included the very important caveat: "Changes to the listing of NRL and AFL games will only be made once a regulation is in place or an alternative mechanism to protect the quality of free-to-air games is agreed by stakeholders."

A press release added: "Changes to the anti-siphoning list will be implemented shortly."

Nearly 10 months have passed and there has been no legislation. Nor is there an agreement on how the mechanism should operate in relation to the NRL.

These issues may seem like fine detail to the uninitiated, but they go to the heart of the upcoming NRL broadcast rights negotiations as well as the Gillard government's ongoing battle with News Limited (publisher of The Australian, 25 per cent owner of Foxtel and 50 per cent shareholder in Fox Sports). The reason no legislation has made its way to Canberra yet is that there are still discussions going on behind the scenes over what form it will take.

To be fair to Conroy's office, dealing with the various television factions is not easy: the free-to-air networks do not always agree with each other, and they never agree with the pay-TV industry.

Furthermore, the loyalties of the sporting bodies can change depending on what offer happens to be on the table. Plenty of consultation is required, and Conroy's best-case scenario is that all parties end up a little bit unhappy.

An exposure draft was circulated among the various broadcasters and sporting codes in May. The wording was so complicated it would not have looked out of place in a tax act. But the important point is that it did not mention the "quality" mechanism by which AFL and NRL games would be divided up between free-to-air and pay-TV. A second draft is now in front of interested parties. It does include a reference to the mechanism.

Under the old anti-siphoning rules, all AFL and NRL games were "protected" for the free-to-air networks. However, these networks did not want to show every game and passed on four out of eight AFL games per round and five out of eight NRL matches per round to Foxtel. The new anti-siphoning agreement announced in November aimed to reflect the market by delisting four AFL games and five NRL games each round. The idea being that this would create more price tension for the football codes, which rely on the broadcast rights as their major source of income.

But Conroy made it clear the delisting would only occur once the mechanism was in place.

This was done with the AFL as part of the recent negotiations for the 2012-16 rights. The code must ensure the two best games of AFL are broadcast by a free-to-air network on Friday and Saturday nights. As a result, the four AFL games currently shown exclusively on pay-TV will be delisted.

The NRL finds itself in a interesting position. The code and Foxtel had expected that pay-TV's five games would be delisted once the new independent commission was formalised next month. But it is understood Conroy will wait until the next broadcast deal takes shape before taking action. This is a win for the free-to-air networks in general, and incumbent broadcaster Nine in particular.

Fox Sports has more options if it can bid for NRL games directly. It may have to work more closely with a network if they are not delisted. Nine does not want a repeat of the AFL deal where every regular-season match is simulcast on pay-TV because it will reduce the value of its exclusive rights.

Conroy's move will make it a little bit easier for Nine to keep some games to itself, although a first and last rights option is the network's main trump card. Nine (or Seven or Ten) could even bid for more than the three games it currently broadcasts without competition from Foxtel.

Conroy will say there are good reasons for this course of action. He does not want either type of TV walking away with games on the cheap. And a similar approach certainly worked reasonably well with the AFL negotiations. But there is no doubt the minister is in no mood to do News any favours.
 

Perth Red

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Hey Conroy how about protecting the rights of fans wherever they live? Do something useful like that!
 

El Diablo

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even if the rules had been changed 9 would not have shown them

we know this because they could do it now but won't
 
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