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The TV rights thread part II

Providing the price is right which is your preferred FTA broadcast option?

  • All games on Seven

    Votes: 11 4.2%
  • All games on Nine

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • All games on Ten

    Votes: 59 22.6%
  • Seven/Nine split

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Seven/Ten split

    Votes: 109 41.8%
  • Nine/Ten split

    Votes: 55 21.1%

  • Total voters
    261
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docbrown

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Gallop flags a compromise deal on fixing games schedule

Glenn Jackson

November 19, 2011

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"Giving fans certainty around the schedule has a lot of upsides" ... Gallop. Photo: Quentin Jones

NRL boss David Gallop has raised the prospect of a fixed schedule during the term of the next broadcast rights deal for all but the final few weeks of the season.
With clubs and supporters campaigning for a fixed draw, Gallop has for the first time suggested the compromise package, which would allow fans to know the venue and times for NRL matches for all but the final month of the competition. In the last four weeks the schedule would be drawn up to ensure teams fighting for the highest places in the premiership are given top billing.
The NRL now uses a rolling schedule, which can give supporters little time to organise travel to matches and clubs to assemble corporate and fan support.
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Gallop is clearly a fan of fixed scheduling, but while there have been many saying the administration should switch to a year-round fixed draw, he can still understand the logic of compromising for the networks who pay for the product.
''Certainly towards the end of the season we can see an advantage in the blockbuster games being assured of being in the best timeslots,'' Gallop said.
The trick for the NRL will be balancing the needs and wants of supporters and clubs, who could lock in long-term schedules, against those of the networks, who will bid for the next broadcast rights. Incumbent free-to-air provider Channel Nine has never been a fan of the fixed scheduling, and NRL officials will know that altering the current system will come at a price. The value of the next broadcast rights deal will be diluted somewhat.
But with Gallop on record as saying that fixed scheduling is a goal of the administration, and in all likelihood this also being an aim of the new independent commission, it appears that either a totally fixed or predominantly fixed schedule is the likely result from 2013.
''It's certainly a goal,'' Gallop said. ''Moving to a fixed schedule is something that the clubs and fans feel strongly about. Clearly we will need to discuss it with the broadcasters, and make an assessment on any change in value that it produces. Giving fans certainty around the schedule has a lot of upsides for the game. At the same time, making sure that our best games are in our best timeslots is also an important consideration.''
The AFL has employed a fixed model, although this year a floating final round was introduced to ensure finals-bound teams were not hampered by travelling.
The networks prefer to have rolling schedules because teams which had been expected to perform can be quickly become ratings duds. At the start of this year, teams such as the eventual premiers, Manly, the Warriors and Melbourne might have been ignored by broadcasters if the schedule was fixed before the season began. Conversely, Channel Nine might have favoured teams including Parramatta and Sydney Roosters, who had been highly rated but whose top-eight prospects ended earlier than most had expected.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...es-schedule-20111118-1nn7y.html#ixzz1e6ZiXrRY
 

docbrown

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Whilst we've gone over all this before and pretty much agree that the last few weeks of the season must having a floating schedule, I still think after the negotiations we'll end up with the compromise:

First Five Rounds: all fixed
Rounds 6 - 21/22: 2 F2A slots with major derby/rivalry games fixed, 2 F2A slots a week floating
Rounds 22/23+: all floating
 

Quidgybo

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Whilst we've gone over all this before and pretty much agree that the last few weeks of the season must having a floating schedule, I still think after the negotiations we'll end up with the compromise:

First Five Rounds: all fixed
Rounds 6 - 21/22: 2 F2A slots with major derby/rivalry games fixed, 2 F2A slots a week floating
Rounds 22/23+: all floating
If you're running a typical three to four week lead time on scheduling games that would mean that you're scheduling week 6 after only one or two rounds. But what's the point in waiting until then? You're hardly going to get any real guide to form after only a couple of weeks. You'd get pretty much as "accurate" a result by scheduling 10 to 11 rounds up front and waiting until round 6 or 7 before scheduling anything else. At least then you've got six to seven weeks of results on which to make an informed judgement on how to schedule the season beyond that.

Leigh.
 
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docbrown

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I actually agree with your logic there but the networks will still assume that they can pick form after a single round and will want to lock in as few weeks as possible.

By presenting the derby games as fixed, as these are typically matches that get aired already, LEK can argue the merit of their scheduling.

It's just a perception issue and the networks will try to minimise that first fixed period as much as possible.
 

Rockin Ronny

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Nine on the way up says Gyngell

never mentions the NRL

bizarre

Then this:

http://www.afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/bid_agreements_could_hinder_nrl_jYPrOr1T26x2CknQCS8HXI

Note the comment:

“In theory, News could buy all of the next media rights contract then it (News) and not the new commission would decide where and how NRL matches would be seen on TV and on the internet."

So, while we crap on about the "indepedent" commission, fact is - News Limited still control our major asset (TV, Internet rights) and our CEO is a "News Limited" appointee.
 
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Then this:

http://www.afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/bid_agreements_could_hinder_nrl_jYPrOr1T26x2CknQCS8HXI

Note the comment:

“In theory, News could buy all of the next media rights contract then it (News) and not the new commission would decide where and how NRL matches would be seen on TV and on the internet."

So, while we crap on about the "indepedent" commission, fact is - News Limited still control our major asset (TV, Internet rights) and our CEO is a "News Limited" appointee.
& if they pay us what the game is worth ...do you still have a problem....
 

Quidgybo

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Then this:

http://www.afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/bid_agreements_could_hinder_nrl_jYPrOr1T26x2CknQCS8HXI

Note the comment:

“In theory, News could buy all of the next media rights contract then it (News) and not the new commission would decide where and how NRL matches would be seen on TV and on the internet."

So, while we crap on about the "indepedent" commission, fact is - News Limited still control our major asset (TV, Internet rights) and our CEO is a "News Limited" appointee.
The Commission is under no obligation to enter any agreement that does not give it what it wants in terms of where and how NRL matches are shown. News Ltd have the right to match whatever deal the Commission actually does agree to, conditions and all. It is nothing scarier than that.

Leigh
 

Perth Red

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Get the lube out, we're going to get shafted again!
If Fox come back with a silly offer then get a 3 year deal from FTA for as much as possible and leave Fox dangling, lets see how their bottom line looks with no NRL to show.
The game has survived on $110mill a year for 5 years (just), with cost savings and increased revenue from other sources then it should be able to survive another 3 on similiar.
 

Rockin Ronny

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The Commission is under no obligation to enter any agreement that does not give it what it wants in terms of where and how NRL matches are shown. News Ltd have the right to match whatever deal the Commission actually does agree to, conditions and all. It is nothing scarier than that.

Leigh

Not true.
My quote above was about News from a channel Nine rep in the article.

news have walked away from owning half of the NRL - and paying money to the NRL e.g. funding the Storm.

But it seems their grip on the TV rights is as strong as ever.
 

El Diablo

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Not true.
My quote above was about News from a channel Nine rep in the article.

news have walked away from owning half of the NRL - and paying money to the NRL e.g. funding the Storm.

But it seems their grip on the TV rights is as strong as ever.

it was from a media executive
 

Perth Red

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I don;t see the problem, only advantage it gives is Fox/9/Telstra get to match someones offer (so we don't lose out anyway) and the 20% safeguard means they can;t start at a stupidly low price (also may encourage someone to go in with a high price from the start in order to knock the last offer deal out). End of the day things like fixed scheduling, national covg, contra etc could become the minor points that determine the best offer not necessarily $'s.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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I just got this email today from the ACMA which was quite interesting.

I sent.

Channel Nine have the rights to international Rugby League tests. Last weekend they were supposed to show Australia vs Wales, which is a tier 1 event and therefore they are legally obligated to show the event. They failed to do so and have not given an explanation as to why.

What does the ACMA plan on doing to combat this? This is not the first time they have done this at the expense of Rugby League fans.

Their reply.

Dear **** (you cant guess what my real name is.....),

I refer to your email regarding Channel Nine’s coverage of the Rugby League International Match between Australia and Wales.

The current anti-siphoning rules do not require a free-to-air television licensee to broadcast events on the anti-siphoning list, even if they have the television rights to the events. This is because the current anti-siphoning provisions act as licence conditions for subscription television, so that subscription television broadcasters can’t ‘siphon off’ events before a free-to-air network has the chance to acquire the rights. These provisions do not prohibit a pay TV provider from acquiring those rights from a free-to-air broadcaster, or having simultaneous rights to the event.

The programming decisions of free-to-air television networks are outside the scope of the ACMA's role in regard to sports broadcasting – including whether the broadcaster decides to broadcast matches.

You may be aware of changes to how the anti-siphoning scheme will operate in the future, announced by the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy in November 2010. The proposed changes include the nomination of events as either:
· Tier A events that will be required to be broadcast live and in full by free-to-air broadcasters on their main channel where they have acquired the rights.
· Tier B events that will be required to be broadcast (either live or on delay) and may be premiered on a free-to-air digital multi-channel by free-to-air broadcasters where they have acquired the rights.

These reforms require legislative amendment before they become effective and this will require the passage of amending legislation through the Australian Parliament.

For more information on these proposed reforms, see the Minister’s Media Release of 25 November 2010 available at: www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2010/103.

General information regarding the anti-siphoning scheme and list is available at: www.dbcde.gov.au/television/antisiphoning_and_antihoarding

Kind Regards,


Kristy Eulenstein
Senior Project Officer
Broadcasting Standards
_____________________________

Australian Communications and Media Authority
T +61 2 9334 7717 F +61 2 9334 7799
E Anti-Siphoning@acma.gov.au
www.acma.gov.au

I was under the impression that even though the new anti siphoning list hasn't taken affect yet, Australian Kangaroo matches that are played in Australia, NZ or Great Britain, must still be broadcast live on a FTA channel. Anyone know for certain?
 

El Diablo

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I was under the impression that even though the new anti siphoning list hasn't taken affect yet, Australian Kangaroo matches that are played in Australia, NZ or Great Britain, must still be broadcast live on a FTA channel. Anyone know for certain?

nope

the current rules just mean that pay tv can't bid for them first if they are protected

doesn't mean that FTA must show them

9 could have shown it on a multi channel if they asked for an exemption
 

Perth Red

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well that makes sense! Pay TV want to show it but can't, FTA don't want to show it, don't have to and can buy the rights and not let anyone else show it! Geez it's like an episode of Yes Minister.
 

docbrown

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To be honest I don't think there's any new information in any of that (9 talk/Fox F&L rights/anti siphoning).

News gave up the F&L rights for every game in the agreement with 9 because the same property cannot be sold twice under the law - so yes it only covers their existing slate.

Regarding the 109% comment though - I can tell you with absolute certainty that LEK aren't aiming for 109%.

They're aiming for at least 200%.
 
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