The Walking Dead

[Misanthrope]

The most implausible part about that scene was that the deer wasn't more afraid. Humanity hadn't been gone long enough to have been forgotten already.

 

[bileduct]

And Bile, you must not know too much about deer to think that letting Carl walk slowly up to it was dangerous. The deer would run away before it attacked him and if for some strange reason it did, Rick and Shane were like 5 metres away, I'm sure they would have got there before the deer ripped Carl apart with it's savage teeth and claws.

[youtube]khKrd1RNy2U[/youtube]

Yes, Springs, tell me more about how deer act in the wild.

 

[bileduct]

http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/2011/11/16/wounded-buck-kills-indiana-hunter/

Wounded Buck Kills Indiana Hunter
by Christian Berg
November 16, 2011
This is a tragic story, and a good lesson for all hunters. The next time you walk up on a wounded whitetail, don’t try to save a bullet or broadhead by pulling out your knife and trying to do the job yourself. Just make a good follow-up shot and be done with it.

Indiana Closes Investigation into Hunter’s Death

ALBION – Indiana Conservation Officers have closed the investigation of a hunter’s death at Chain O’Lakes State Park after the Noble County Coroner’s office ruled the death was due to a lacerated liver, possibly from an encounter the hunter had with a deer he shot.

Also...

http://www.ftthomas.org/Deer.html

ATTACKS BY DEER

While deer appear to be harmless creatures, the number of attacks on humans by deer is on the increase. An attack by a deer can be brutal. Deer antlers can cause puncture wounds. On occasion, deer attacks have been known to result in severe and permanent injury to people and even death. To reduce the risk of being a victim of a deer attack, people are encouraged to observe the following suggestions:

• Never provide food to a deer. When a pattern of regular feeding has been established deer become protective of the food source and may attack those near the food source - even those people providing the food.
• Never, under any circumstance, approach a deer. Deer are wild animals. While they may appear docile, their demeanor can change without warning.
• Be especially cautious of deer with fawns. Mother deer are very protective of their young.
• Male deer, known as "bucks," can attack people without provocation, especially during the "rut" season - October through December. The rut is the time of year when female deer, known as "does," emit a scent that tells the bucks they are ready to breed.
• If you do see a deer, observe it from a distance, preferably from inside a structure or vehicle.

TRANSMISSION OF DISEASES

Deer pose a threat to public safety by the possibility of transmitting diseases to people. Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain spotted fever are known to be carried by deer. Laboratory tests indicate that these diseases can be transmitted to humans through contact with infected parasites such as ticks. To help reduce the likelihood of contracting one of these diseases the following measures are suggested:

• Never approach a deer under any circumstance. Touching a deer increases the chances of exposure to disease.
• Never attempt to feed a deer by hand or touch food that a deer has eaten. Touching the saliva of a deer increases the chances of exposure to disease.
• Bring pet food containers inside at night. Leaving food out overnight encourages deer, and other nuisance animals, to rely on humans for food.
• When working in your lawn, landscaping or garden, or when walking or hiking in a wooded area, always wear insect repellent to discourage ticks and other insects from biting.

 

[bileduct]

Hah, one other thing I noticed when I first saw it but completely forgot until now.

The props guys are lazier than the writers!

 

[butchmcdick]

U sure u ain't pinching some these from the other forum u mentioned earlier ?

 

[bileduct]

U sure u ain't pinching some these from the other forum u mentioned earlier ?

Honestly mate, I have not pinched a thing. I only found the videogum reviews two days ago and have been slowly reading through each episode. The guy has made a lot of the exact same observations I did when I originally watched the episodes.

The scope on Hershel's gun being around the wrong way was obvious when I saw it, just like the positioning of the solar panels.

 

[butchmcdick]

I guess u watch it a lot closer than me bile.

Not trying to be a smart arse but what shows do you like without having to do a detailed post Mortem or each episode ?

I remember the first time I saw an episode of OZ. now that show kicked f**king arse !!

 

[bileduct]

I guess u watch it a lot closer than me bile.

Not trying to be a smart arse but what shows do you like without having to do a detailed post Mortem or each episode ?

I remember the first time I saw an episode of OZ. now that show kicked f**king arse !!

Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones and Homeland are the only dramas I am watching at the moment. All of these shows have their own problems, but the problems are easier to look past when you actually care about the characters. I prefer watching shows that are serials which naturally puts even a show like The Walking Dead above all the CSI, NCIS shit shows which I have zero interest in.

I looooooooved Rubicon, which is my second favourite show ever (behind Breaking Bad). It was such an intelligent show but it only made it to the end of season one and then it's timeslot was given to The Walking Dead. Most people thought it was too slow, but I thought the pace was perfect for what it was trying to do.

Loved OZ too, but didn't get too far into it and forgot about it. Thanks for the reminder mate, I'm gonna grab the rest of the episodes I have not seen.

Been meaning to give The Wire and Boardwalk Empire a crack.

Anyway guys, I do feel like I've been spamming the shit out of this thread so I'll try and limit my posts here to my weekly reviews for Springs. I still find it enjoyable to watch even though, personally, I feel the writing and direction is abysmal.

 

[bileduct]

By the way, if anyone isn't watching this I highly recommend Comic Book Men which I believe immediately follows The Walking Dead on AMC.

I'm guessing most people here already watch it though.

 

[urban eel]

 

[Springs]

Every show has the kind of errors you are talking about Bile. IMDB has pages on every movie and show about goofs.

Breaking Bad you may care about the characters (and in my opinion is the best show I've seen) but it doesn't make some of their actions any less stupid. For one, Jesse planning to kill two guys by walking slowly up to them while their guns are pointed at his head, and two, well, Skyler. But people make bad decisions in real life, and nothing outside of Andrea in the Walking Dead has been as bad as anything in say, Prometheus.

The main problem with the Walking Dead was the pacing problems in season 2. Most of the other shit people complain about is just nitpicking because they either don't like the show or want to piss people off. Season three has been great in every way. Also everybody seems to want something different from it.

Game of Thrones season 2 had similar pacing problems to the Walking Dead, plus a lot of idiot decisions and stupid changes. You can't really complain so much about Walking Dead but not Game of Thrones. But then again a lot of my perception of Game of Thrones has changed after I read books 4 and 5 and saw how awful they were.

 

[Joker's Wild]

lol Rob marrying the field surgeon, forsaking his betrothal to one of the Frey girls is at least on par with any of the stupid decisions made in The Walking Dead

 

[bileduct]

Every show has the kind of errors you are talking about Bile. IMDB has pages on every movie and show about goofs.

I transitioned to petty gripes about props because I was trying to get under your skin, mate

Breaking Bad you may care about the characters (and in my opinion is the best show I've seen) but it doesn't make some of their actions any less stupid. For one, Jesse planning to kill two guys by walking slowly up to them while their guns are pointed at his head, and two, well, Skyler.

I completely agree. That scene with Jesse was probably the dumbest and most contrived scene in the entire series, particularly as it all happened in an urban area and surely there would have been witnesses to Walt running them over. But Breaking Bad has done a fantastic job at fleshing out their characters and making you genuinely care about them. This is where I feel The Walking Dead ultimately fails. I'm not sympathetic to any of the characters, except perhaps, ironically, the guy who rides a motorcycle with a Nazi SS symbol on it.

Skyler was a bitch from episode one. She was written that way. You're not supposed to like her.

Was everyone supposed to hate Lori? I don't think it was intentional, but that's how it ended up. One minute she tells Shane to stay away from her and her family after he tries to rape her, then she complains that he brushed off the kid. One minute she is quite openly telling Rick that he needs to off Shane, then the next she is hanging shit on Rick because he was forced into that position. She gets angry at Rick because he isn't looking after Carl, but then she never does so herself - he's loose and wandering around for most of the end of season two.

When Lori died I was completely unsympathetic because she at that point she was clearly the worst, most inconsistently written character in the entire series. When T-Dogg died I was like "holy shit, T-Dogg is still in this show."

But people make bad decisions in real life, and nothing outside of Andrea in the Walking Dead has been as bad as anything in say, Prometheus.

I am in complete agreement with you here. Prometheus was one of the worst films I have seen recently. A mate of mine and I were looking forward to it so much, but I was over it before it even reached the halfway point. It was so f**king dumb it's not even worth watching a second time to laugh at how stupid it is.

The main problem with the Walking Dead was the pacing problems in season 2. Most of the other shit people complain about is just nitpicking because they either don't like the show or want to piss people off.

Well, I will admit to some of the latter. But I stand by my opinion that season 2 was totally contrived. The setup for the Sophia storyline was just so poorly executed. It would have been much better if Sophia had run off into the forest by herself and the rest of the group was cut off from her. Rick's actions make no sense, especially given how easily he ended up knocking off the two walkers anyway. But I'm repeating myself here...

Season three has been great in every way. Also everybody seems to want something different from it.

I have a question for you. Do you think your reading of the comics influences your opinion of the television show? Are you more prepared to give the show a free pass in the situations I have criticised because you are a fan of the comics?

I'm not trying to be a smart arse, that's an honest question.

Game of Thrones season 2 had similar pacing problems to the Walking Dead, plus a lot of idiot decisions and stupid changes. You can't really complain so much about Walking Dead but not Game of Thrones. But then again a lot of my perception of Game of Thrones has changed after I read books 4 and 5 and saw how awful they were.

Well, I've only just finished watching season 1 of Game of Thrones, so I am a bit disappointed to hear that it has gone downhill.

 

[butchmcdick]

I transitioned to petty gripes about props because I was trying to get under your skin, mate


I completely agree. That scene with Jesse was probably the dumbest and most contrived scene in the entire series, particularly as it all happened in an urban area and surely there would have been witnesses to Walt running them over. But Breaking Bad has done a fantastic job at fleshing out their characters and making you genuinely care about them. This is where I feel The Walking Dead ultimately fails. I'm not sympathetic to any of the characters, except perhaps, ironically, the guy who rides a motorcycle with a Nazi SS symbol on it.

Skyler was a bitch from episode one. She was written that way. You're not supposed to like her.

Was everyone supposed to hate Lori? I don't think it was intentional, but that's how it ended up. One minute she tells Shane to stay away from her and her family after he tries to rape her, then she complains that he brushed off the kid. One minute she is quite openly telling Rick that he needs to off Shane, then the next she is hanging shit on Rick because he was forced into that position. She gets angry at Rick because he isn't looking after Carl, but then she never does so herself - he's loose and wandering around for most of the end of season two.

When Lori died I was completely unsympathetic because she at that point she was clearly the worst, most inconsistently written character in the entire series. When T-Dogg died I was like "holy shit, T-Dogg is still in this show."


I am in complete agreement with you here. Prometheus was one of the worst films I have seen recently. A mate of mine and I were looking forward to it so much, but I was over it before it even reached the halfway point. It was so f**king dumb it's not even worth watching a second time to laugh at how stupid it is.


Well, I will admit to some of the latter. But I stand by my opinion that season 2 was totally contrived. The setup for the Sophia storyline was just so poorly executed. It would have been much better if Sophia had run off into the forest by herself and the rest of the group was cut off from her. Rick's actions make no sense, especially given how easily he ended up knocking off the two walkers anyway. But I'm repeating myself here...


I have a question for you. Do you think your reading of the comics influences your opinion of the television show? Are you more prepared to give the show a free pass in the situations I have criticised because you are a fan of the comics?

I'm not trying to be a smart arse, that's an honest question.


Well, I've only just finished watching season 1 of Game of Thrones, so I am a bit disappointed to hear that it has gone downhill.

To be honest I thought game of thrones season two was still kickarse.

 

[bileduct]

Am I the only one who was disappointed that they killed off Dale?

I thought that was a mistake. What does everyone else think?

 

[Zigwaa]

Am I the only one who was disappointed that they killed off Dale?

I thought that was a mistake. What does everyone else think?

Dale was the most annoying character imo, I was glad when he died. He served a purpose in the show but was always in other people's business trying to manipulate them and taking the moral high ground. Really grinded my gears.

I guess I see Dale in the same way you see Lori.

 

[bileduct]

Dale was the most annoying character imo, I was glad when he died. He served a purpose in the show but was always in other people's business trying to manipulate them and taking the moral high ground. Really grinded my gears.

I guess I see Dale in the same way you see Lori.

But Dale was consistent. To me Dale's character was central to the theme of the show - exploring humanity in a post-apocalyptic landscape. It has always been said that this show is more about the human drama and less about the zombies, which I have no problem with whatsoever. It was an interesting take on the concept in the same way that True Blood was interesting (I only watched the pilot, didn't bother continuing with the series because vampires are so f**king boring) for having vampires and whatnot trying to integrate with normal society.

He was the perfect counterbalance to Shane and often the lone voice of reason because Rick could never make up his f**king mind.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Dale was trying to hold onto the way the world used to be, not what it was becoming. The zombie tearing him apart just highlighted that there was little room for "morality" when it can just get you killed.

 

[bileduct]

Dale was trying to hold onto the way the world used to be, not what it was becoming. The zombie tearing him apart just highlighted that there was little room for "morality" when it can just get you killed.

But Dale's death didn't have anything to do with his stance on morality. He died because Lori wasn't looking after the little shit who took Darryl's gun without asking and then let a zombie loose onto the farm without telling anyone.

 

[Springs]

I transitioned to petty gripes about props because I was trying to get under your skin, mate


I completely agree. That scene with Jesse was probably the dumbest and most contrived scene in the entire series, particularly as it all happened in an urban area and surely there would have been witnesses to Walt running them over. But Breaking Bad has done a fantastic job at fleshing out their characters and making you genuinely care about them. This is where I feel The Walking Dead ultimately fails. I'm not sympathetic to any of the characters, except perhaps, ironically, the guy who rides a motorcycle with a Nazi SS symbol on it.

Skyler was a bitch from episode one. She was written that way. You're not supposed to like her.

Was everyone supposed to hate Lori? I don't think it was intentional, but that's how it ended up. One minute she tells Shane to stay away from her and her family after he tries to rape her, then she complains that he brushed off the kid. One minute she is quite openly telling Rick that he needs to off Shane, then the next she is hanging shit on Rick because he was forced into that position. She gets angry at Rick because he isn't looking after Carl, but then she never does so herself - he's loose and wandering around for most of the end of season two.

When Lori died I was completely unsympathetic because she at that point she was clearly the worst, most inconsistently written character in the entire series. When T-Dogg died I was like "holy shit, T-Dogg is still in this show."


I am in complete agreement with you here. Prometheus was one of the worst films I have seen recently. A mate of mine and I were looking forward to it so much, but I was over it before it even reached the halfway point. It was so f**king dumb it's not even worth watching a second time to laugh at how stupid it is.


Well, I will admit to some of the latter. But I stand by my opinion that season 2 was totally contrived. The setup for the Sophia storyline was just so poorly executed. It would have been much better if Sophia had run off into the forest by herself and the rest of the group was cut off from her. Rick's actions make no sense, especially given how easily he ended up knocking off the two walkers anyway. But I'm repeating myself here...


I have a question for you. Do you think your reading of the comics influences your opinion of the television show? Are you more prepared to give the show a free pass in the situations I have criticised because you are a fan of the comics?

I'm not trying to be a smart arse, that's an honest question.


Well, I've only just finished watching season 1 of Game of Thrones, so I am a bit disappointed to hear that it has gone downhill.

Well I didn't mind Skyler until she found out about the meth. Lori's actor said they didn't want her to be like the comics, and the writers set out to make her and Rick's relationship as unlikeable as possible, instead of her simply being the hero's girl.
And I don't know about caring for the characters. Jesse, Mike, Hank yeah. Walt? He can get f**ked. (But he is brilliant)

I'm not sure about the comic thing, a lot and I mean a lot has changed. It has influenced my viewing simply because in my opinion the characters are actually a lot less stupid. Rick (although this is after this point of the show) becomes such a dumbass I ended up hating him like people hate Lori. By the part I'm up to I only liked Glenn, Maggie and Carl. The show improved the characters of Rick, Dale, Hershel, Shane (especially), Carol, Otis and The Governor, while adding good ones such as Daryl, T-Dog, Merle and Jenner.
For example, in the comics when Rick discovers the prisoners it goes a bit like this:
'What are you guys in for'
'Uh, tax fraud'
'Alright, you guys can hang out with us!'
And one of them of course proceeded to murder three people.

The first half of season 2 wasn't that good but I thought it was just slow. I probably liked it more than you did for one reason because FX showed double episodes, making it seem faster for me. And I actually liked how it was more character-driven than zombie driven. I liked the Rick-Shane parts, and the themes about morality in post-apocalyptic society. But a lot of people didn't like the lack of zombie hordes and called it a soap opera, although you have different criticisms to a lot of the others. But disliking a few episodes won't make me hate a show, just like I'm looking forward to season 3 Game of Thrones.

And I think Game of Thrones season 2 is still great if you put your brain away. In my opinion it was a lot worse than season one but that was after my second watch, after I read book 2. There were just a lot of things that I thought didn't make sense, or were stupid character decisions or needless changes.
But that doesn't even compare to how much he f**ked it up by book 5.