Tigers Movements

[WA Tiger]

This is what you call an agenda. It's clearly delusional right. I have a mate who works at the club. He told me he gets along great with Madge. He hasn't always told me complementary comments regarding the players.

I am not stating Madge is a great coach. I would definitely not renew his contract unless the team makes the finals prior to the end of his contract. That doesn't mean Madge is too blame for everything bad at the club.

I’m looking for something significant to come back at you about but it’s just the usual $1 each way bet from you .. and M come to think of it…prob why you and M both get excited about the same time....over the same things. Taking both sides of arguments....At least you’s can’t get it wrong then ey. Or just no balls more likely

 

[Magpies Forever]

WA Tiger- mate, the club is bigger than any player and many players come and go with few standing out. WT have had a few standouts, but mostly toilers, journeymen and those that never really made it. You can pretty much say that too for coaches and their staff.

I am well on record for saying Maguire should have gone at end of last season. I suspect that our management will be having quiet words with potential candidates over the first half of this season because I strongly believe Maguire just cant adapt to the style of game now and he keeps showing his limitations with both team selections, tactics and communication to and motivation of the players. He will have had nearly 4 seasons and we have no progressed at all on the field but I admit the behind the scenes have progressed very well but the team lags behind that badly. Even Maguire being NZ coach has failed to attract high value NZ and Islander players, our recruitment and retention is not good- in te old parlance- beggars cant be choosers. I think WT will make a call on his services around halfway through the season. I hope WT do well, but have no faith in it actually happening.

Until WT can be a club of choice and actually attract these type of key players I am resigned to shit happening. I would like us to stand up and fight when wronged but that never happens either. I remain a WT fan, a little bit bruised and battered as each season goes, but still there. I can support no other team, WT are my team and I love them and the old Magpies.

 

[BrotherJim05]

We have no idea what is going on in Tuilagi's head. Maybe he's best mates with some of the people at Manly? Maybe his missus has family on the Northern Beaches? Maybe he was coached by one of the Manly assistants and wants to work with them again? Maybe Tigers didn't guarantee him a starting spot and said he would be fighting it out with Blore before he got injured?

Who the f**k knows exactly what happened, but blaming Madge is the most simplistic, idiotic way of looking at this. The fact that he has a starting spot now, has come out and explained he wanted to speak to Madge first before anyone, hasn't bad mouthed the club or asked for a release and has clearly stated he wants to do nothing else but rip and tear in his final year with us, speaks volumes of Madge's relationship with him. Say what you want about Madge but the young players who are putting in clearly respect the man --- maybe that's why we have started attracting better talent lately?

All the best Tuilagi. I hope you forge a better career at Manly than Aloai has.

 

[simmo05]

Meh, at least he conducted himself correctly. Unlike the scumbags Moses, turd, aloia, Woods. I wish him well, good luck young fulla!

 

[WA Tiger]

We have no idea what is going on in Tuilagi's head. Maybe he's best mates with some of the people at Manly? Maybe his missus has family on the Northern Beaches? Maybe he was coached by one of the Manly assistants and wants to work with them again? Maybe Tigers didn't guarantee him a starting spot and said he would be fighting it out with Blore before he got injured?

Who the f**k knows exactly what happened, but blaming Madge is the most simplistic, idiotic way of looking at this. The fact that he has a starting spot now, has come out and explained he wanted to speak to Madge first before anyone, hasn't bad mouthed the club or asked for a release and has clearly stated he wants to do nothing else but rip and tear in his final year with us, speaks volumes of Madge's relationship with him. Say what you want about Madge but the young players who are putting in clearly respect the man --- maybe that's why we have started attracting better talent lately?

All the best Tuilagi. I hope you forge a better career at Manly than Aloai has.

I think not blaming Madge is simplistic and idiotic.

All that you mentioned doesn’t speak volumes of Tuilagi’s relationship with Madge. Madge is his coach. He’s a young guy that doesn’t want a stressful work environment. That’s it.

We would have heard of the maybes you mentioned if any of them were true.

If Madge didn’t offer Tuilagi a starting spot ahead of Blore after watching him for 12 months, well if u haven't got that one by now you never will!

No player “clearly respects the man” and no, the new additions to the team didn’t come because Madge is the coach..

Your post is full of spin and hope and little else. It is devoid of substance, reality, logic and indeed includes the type of unnecessary hysterical language the other 2 Madge lovers (M and 05) use in their posts. There might be something in that..

 

[Tigerm]

I think not blaming Madge is simplistic and idiotic.

All that you mentioned doesn’t speak volumes of Tuilagi’s relationship with Madge. Madge is his coach. He’s a young guy that doesn’t want a stressful work environment. That’s it.

We would have heard of the maybes you mentioned if any of them were true.

If Madge didn’t offer Tuilagi a starting spot ahead of Blore after watching him for 12 months, well if u haven't got that one by now you never will!

No player “clearly respects the man” and no, the new additions to the team didn’t come because Madge is the coach..

Your post is full of spin and hope and little else. It is devoid of substance, reality, logic and indeed includes the type of unnecessary hysterical language the other 2 Madge lovers (M and 05) use in their posts. There might be something in that..

You're still blaming Madge for sacking Benji huh?

But lets make it simplistic for you, regarding Tuilagi, if Blore was available, Kelma probably wouldn't have been playing last week?

He was offered a 2 year contract, he chose to accept the 3 year Manly offer without giving the club any chance to review the clubs offer, no drama, we wish him well and move on.

He probably realised at the time (unlike you, it seems) he had a lot of players in front of him, though he is no certainty at Manly either? It's professional sport, players come and go, all the time.

 

[WA Tiger]

You're still blaming Madge for sacking Benji huh?

But lets make it simplistic for you, regarding Tuilagi, if Blore was available, Kelma probably wouldn't have been playing last week?

He was offered a 2 year contract, he chose to accept the 3 year Manly offer without giving the club any chance to review the clubs offer, no drama, we wish him well and move on.

He probably realised at the time (unlike you, it seems) he had a lot of players in front of him, though he is no certainty at Manly either? It's professional sport, players come and go, all the time.

I’m wondering what’s with all this “we wish him well” business. To me that’s irrelevant, but it keeps popping up. We lose so many good ones I suppose thats our coping mechanism. A good old “be nice” WT tradition. I also wonder about the often used “Tuilagi was offered a 2 year deal with us and a 3 year deal with Manly”. So. And dont say therefore he wasn’t loyal. That’s completely missing the point. The damage had been done by that time.

I appreciate your simplified interpretation M. I’m going to throw back at you something even more simplified and more relevant to why we are all here. (Well most of us anyway)..Losing Tuilagi was avoidable!! for any coach that has half a clue. (Especially when Madge had the initial advantage of having “such a good relationship” with him)

 

[Tiger05]

Losing Tuilagi was avoidable!! for any coach that has half a clue. (Especially when Madge had the initial advantage of having “such a good relationship” with him

Sheens is in charge of recruitment and retention now right. So Sheens must have decided that was all they were prepared to offer.

So your anger is misplaced. Start calling out Sheensy.

 

[Shredder]

I think recruitment is a committee with Madge and Sheens just two members.

There is at least one other. I cant remember who it is.

 

[Speedy Gonzales]

I think recruitment is a committee with Madge and Sheens just two members.

There is at least one other. I cant remember who it is.

McDonnell?

 

[Shredder]

Thats him.

Doesnt exactly fill me with a lot of confidence......

 

[WA Tiger]

Sheens is in charge of recruitment and retention now right. So Sheens must have decided that was all they were prepared to offer.

So your anger is misplaced. Start calling out Sheensy.

Hardly likely when T signed with Manly in November and Sheens arrived in November..

The point is T was going to leave regardless because of his treatment by Madge having played him a total of 5 games on the bench last year. Like I said have you ever sat on the bench, of a bottom of the table team, for 5 games throughout a whole year.. (and for T seeing all the destruction going on around him) Not a lot of love would be generated from that. In fact quite the opposite.

And a “player is not bigger than the club” should have been no obstacle to, logically Madge or anyone, captain included, ID’ing Tuilagi’s talent, then Madge nailing him the Fk down by mid year….but no Madge was too busy being Madge. Prob concentrating on getting his lines right for the video…

 

[WA Tiger]

Madge couldn’t see the Forrest for the trees.. He missed the bigger picture and we know that Madges lack of communication skills could have stunted any free flowing info coming his way. If there was any.

 

[WA Tiger]

Madge was in shock when Tuilagi told him he was leaving. He thought “how the Fk is a 2nd rate player like you, being offered a 3 year deal from Des…It’s - it’s - it’s - just not possible ! Oh shit!”

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Wasn't it rumoured for a while that Garner would be heading to Manly, back where he played NYC with his mate Tom Trbojevic?

Perhaps while Garner was waiting for the call, Manly identified Tuilagi as being the better fit.

My 2 bobs worth - Tigers loss on both counts in my opinion.

 

[MasterTiger]

I think our club, as do all the so-so clubs, run the perennial problem of signing young players identified as potential and then running through the development phases and hopefully into first grade if they stay. The problem is when they reach that first grade stage fending off other clubs, particularly the stronger more popular clubs then coming to pick the fruit off the tree.

We can't get it right all the time, some don't make the grade, others do but choose to go elsewhere for the first grade experience and greater opportunity with the big clubs. Unless the player is a local junior there is no real loyalty to WT, even if a local you can't take it as granted. Tuilagi showed no loyalty and went for the better opportunity at Manly without giving WT a chance to match their offer. He made his choice, no point carrying on. However unless he is needed in the side I'd now be giving preference to this staying and of equal capability. That said, he is safe in the squad at thee moment with no real pressure from others to take his spot.

I don't think anyone dropped the ball here, we made him a solid offer, Manly came in with a better one and he signed the first opportunity he had without giving WT a chance to match it. Case over, he would seem to be the type where he was stuck way behind a strong Melbourne squad, went to WT to get opportunity and be noticed and at the first opportunity went to a stronger club for better opportunities. The way to get ahead for many players, WT used simply as a way to a means. Matterson all over again, just more polite.

 

[Fordy20]

Wasn't it rumoured for a while that Garner would be heading to Manly, back where he played NYC with his mate Tom Trbojevic?

Perhaps while Garner was waiting for the call, Manly identified Tuilagi as being the better fit.

My 2 bobs worth - Tigers loss on both counts in my opinion.

For mine, I reckon Garner joining Manly is still happening. In terms of second rowers they don't have anyone apart from Olakau'atu, which is why they are playing props or Schuster on the other edge and I can't see Schuster being kept out of the halves for much longer.

On our side of the fence, Garner is off contract. He isn't getting minutes. He had a good combination with Brooks, but the club hasn't allowed that to develop. Instead they went out and got Papa and are on the hunt for Nikora, Luki and Nanai. Garner's clearly on the outer and has been for a while.

 

[Fordy20]

Tuilagi situation is another Hartigan f**kup

Much more likely than Madge just flat out ignoring a bloke he specifically targeted from Melbourne.

 

[WA Tiger]

Much more likely than Madge just flat out ignoring a bloke he specifically targeted from Melbourne.

??? Madge picks the team. Hartigan couldn’t “make him an offer he couldn’t refuse”, to a player that played so few games, and off the bench.

 

[Hoofhearted]

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