Tim Smith > Jeff Robson

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Wow, people just cant get past Tim Smith. I really dont see why. He was good yeah, but so was Brad Drew, so was Michael Witt, so was Dennis Moran. Why dont we see threads about them?

 

[lingard]

Hi Lingard
Since when have you become my judge, jury and executioner???...... That I should offer up everything I do privately, at my own discretion, when you demand it???

Lets just say that everything I have done to bring Timmy back was without harm, that no one was harmed by my actions and that only good intentions were behind everything I did for Tim, the Eels club and all Eels fans.

I also disagree that Tim was just a one year wonder. A 24 cylinder high performance engine only works as well as the service (the duty of care) provided. A football club (a community of men, women, children) forsaking its duty of care to ALL its members will offer up weeds of chaos springing forth through tiny cracks of negligence, denial, arrogance and a lack of vigilance. It only takes one to be the crack causing the wall (the shield that is the duty of care) to one-day collapse upon everyone behind it.

Oh dear, Casper - you get yourself so confused.
And you never answer the question. You refute that he was a one year wonder - and then go on to give reasons why he was one. Come on man, you can do better than that! Ha Ha Ha Ha I am the executioner!!!!

 

[lingard]

Hi Raudonikis.
If I was doing harm as in causing a wound I would be causing trouble but all I am doing is healing wounds, doing no harm in the process, yet moderators claim otherwise....... They are claiming my simple clear reply to Stagger Eel is hijacking this thread. I have challenged them to come forward with incontrovertible evidence to back such claims. If they can't I have insisted they restore these posts in this thread and remove the 10 point infractions Casper received....

Casper, you are either a comedian, or you`ve had too much acid, or you are a con-man trying to set up an internet business. I`d prefer to think it`s one of the first two - you are pretty funny.

 

[Fui!!!]

There are 5 levels of Halfbacks

Level 1: Humble... Has the world at his feet. Just has to grab his opportunity when it presents itself, and jump to Level 4.
Level 2: Brett Finch, Tim Smith... Enough Said
Level 3: Jeff Robson... Solid, but doesn't really have the flair it takes to be a top half.
Level 4: Kris Keating, Dan Mortimer... Shown the talent they have, now just have to use it consistently.
Level 5: Thurston, Lockyer, Johns... World class

 

[Craig Johnston]

There are 5 levels of Halfbacks

Level 1: Humble... Has the world at his feet. Just has to grab his opportunity when it presents itself, and jump to Level 4.
Level 2: Brett Finch, Tim Smith... Enough Said
Level 3: Jeff Robson... Solid, but doesn't really have the flair it takes to be a top half.
Level 4: Kris Keating, Dan Mortimer... Shown the talent they have, now just have to use it consistently.
Level 5: Thurston, Lockyer, Johns... World class

where does ben kusto sit?

 

[The Engineers Room]

Wow, people just cant get past Tim Smith. I really dont see why. He was good yeah, but so was Brad Drew, so was Michael Witt, so was Dennis Moran. Why dont we see threads about them?

None of them won the NRL rookie of the year and took us to the game before the grand final on the back of brilliant play.

There are 5 levels of Halfbacks

Level 1: Humble... Has the world at his feet. Just has to grab his opportunity when it presents itself, and jump to Level 4.
Level 2: Brett Finch, Tim Smith... Enough Said
Level 3: Jeff Robson... Solid, but doesn't really have the flair it takes to be a top half.
Level 4: Kris Keating, Dan Mortimer... Shown the talent they have, now just have to use it consistently.
Level 5: Thurston, Lockyer, Johns... World class

I think it is more like this:

Level 1: unproven
Level 2: Juniors on the fringe of NRL or played less then a season of NRL with solid and consistently good performances in lower grades
Level 3: Fringe NRL players (1st or second year halves) not consistent
Level 4: Proven performers NRL regulars who have come up with consistent good performances in NRL
Level 5: World class halves with a certain special something

Lockyer, Thurston are 5
Matt Orford, Cooper Cronk are 4
Tim Smith is a 3 because of the inconsistency and Mortimer is also a three due to his inexperience
Kris Keating is a 2, Hasn't played a full season on NRL but has lower grade potential
Tom Humble is a 1, definately unproven but could be close to a 2

 

[The Engineers Room]

where does ben kusto sit?

On my scale Kusto is a 3 and Robson between a 3 and 4. He just would need to take control of the game to be a 4.

 

[big boppa eel]

Bye Bye

Piss of Pete you have had it in for TM from the begining, bye.

 

[parra pete]

Piss of Pete you have had it in for TM from the begining, bye.

Whaaaaaaaat ? Who is TM? You have lost me, Bye Bye BBE, over my head I'm afraid.

If you are referring to Tim. Maybe, just maybe, my estimation of him was right.
In case you have not noticed...He is no longer the golden child. and has been sent to the back blocks of the Queensland Cup.... Just to get a game.
I hope he plays to his 'potential' and hangs onto a spot with Easts..but it remains to be seen. The Queensland Cup level might be beyond him too..as was NRL and ESL..
Ivan Henjak has faith in him. Hope he can repay the former Raider halfbacks faith
Timmy,no doubt is looking forward to playing alongside Lockyer in 2010...
BTW, that is Matt Lockyer - not Darren. The hope of playing alongside Darren is a dream too far away.
BUT as Susan Boyle proved, DARE TO DREAM and the world is an OYSTER..

(PS..Having it in for someone, is that like getting a bit on the side.)

A man goes to his doctor. "I have a problem, my wife is pregnant but we haven't had sex in years. Is there any other way this could have happened"?

"Oh yes," said the Doc, "We call this a grudge pregnancy. Someone else has had it in for you"

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

None of them won the NRL rookie of the year and took us to the game before the grand final on the back of brilliant play.

And thats a reason for people to still be heart broken over him? Im sure Melbourne fans have gotten over Folau going to Brisbane. And as for Timmy taking us to the GF qualifyer in 05 and 07, there were other players that contributed to that "success" aswell.

 

[bartman]

Yeah, that's where the Tim Smith-pedestal stuff falls apart imo.

When Tim played well (05) it was all down to Tim, and no-one else. But when Tim played bad (pretty much ever since) it's always because others were playing bad, and how could he shine when the team was like that etc. It'd be laughable if it weren't so hypocritical.

He was a (admittedly good) one year wonder, nothing more... but good luck to the "kid" at East Brisbane or wherever he'll be running around.

 

[Delboy]

A random thought, maybe Robson would have found it tougher to be signed on a full time contract if Kingston had not priced himself too high due to 2009 bonus payments. In a sense he was a very valuable member of the side, and Robson may well have been sacrificed if Kingston was a $70k player and not $120k as he became.

Looking at the replays of the last 6 ganes, that doesn't appear to be too random a thought.

 

[headache]

True Tim is a much more gifted player but remember you always need a balance in a team. Jeff certainly does that. To many stars does not always garentee a premiership.

 

[parra pete]

True Tim is a much more gifted player but remember you always need a balance in a team. Jeff certainly does that. To many stars does not always garentee a premiership.

More gifted? In what way.....attack, defence, quality, courage, ability to run the ball, consistency. There are more traits needed to be an NRL player than a 'one trick pony'.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

More gifted? In what way.....attack, defence, quality, courage, ability to run the ball, consistency. There are more traits needed to be an NRL player than a 'one trick pony'.

I don't want to get into an arguement of Timmy's faults, but you don't play half back in side which won a minor premiership and made the GF qualifier twice, with John Morris and Brett Finch as your 5/8, if you are a one trick pony. Gee his try assist stat's for those years (05 and 07) were impressive.

But YES Timmy does have many faults.

Here is something to think about, Kris Keating ( I rate him highly, future rep player I think) is about to enter his third season of first grade. Yes he had injuries last year. But comparing Kris with Timmy, Timmy has definitely achieved a lot more in 2 years then Kris has ( by the way I think after 10 years Kris will have achieved more)

 

[eels81236]

I don't want to get into an arguement of Timmy's faults, but you don't play half back in side which won a minor premiership and made the GF qualifier twice, with John Morris and Brett Finch as your 5/8, if you are a one trick pony. Gee his try assist stat's for those years (05 and 07) were impressive.

But YES Timmy does have many faults.

Here is something to think about, Kris Keating ( I rate him highly, future rep player I think) is about to enter his third season of first grade. Yes he had injuries last year. But comparing Kris with Timmy, Timmy has definitely achieved a lot more in 2 years then Kris has ( by the way I think after 10 years Kris will have achieved more)

The old saying says "you can't win the comp without a quality no. 7". It does not say "you can't go close without a quality no. 7".
With all due respects, there are many "average" halfbacks that have taken there team to within a whisker of a title. There are few that have actually achieved this feat. Once again, with all due respects, in Smith's case and also Robson's case "a good 12 months does not a career make".

 

[Joshuatheeel]

The old saying says "you can't win the comp without a quality no. 7". It does not say "you can't go close without a quality no. 7".
With all due respects, there are many "average" halfbacks that have taken there team to within a whisker of a title. There are few that have actually achieved this feat. Once again, with all due respects, in Smith's case and also Robson's case "a good 12 months does not a career make".

Yes agree with what you are saying, my point was Timmy did it twice so he must be a little bit better then a "one trick pony". And he did it without a super 5/8 by his side.

 

[parra pete]

Couldn't stand the heat when it mattered. M I A

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Couldn't stand the heat when it mattered. M I A

And we could agrue that Robson went missing in the GF. But my point is you stated he was a one trick pony which if he was he would not have been able to lead the eels to two GF qualifier's and a minor premiership. Give the guy some credit.

 

[strider]

I won't say much cos tbh I couldn't be buggered getting into it too much and I don't wanna bag any particular player, but it surprises me the way some people hang soooo much sh*t on smith yet talk up robo so much (especially in relation to not delivering in a big game) .... should we find a youtube clip of robos sh*t grab on hoffman for try 1 of the GF? .... don't get me wrong, i think robo is great (an excellent defender) and has achieved tonnes more than i thought he would, but like tim, he's got his deficiencies (just different ones)