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Tina Turner

Do you want Tina Turner back?

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    Votes: 70 68.0%
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Frailty

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Frizell comment is rubbish and a tad insulting, not going to comment on that.

Why? There are plenty of parts of the ad which involve players not playing football. But the two complaints a levelled at Latrell Mitchell shrouding himself with the Aboriginal flag, and two women embracing (which was actually at a League game). If the issue is 'not enough football', then it is perfectly acceptable to ask why would those scenes be targeted for discussion rather than the rest of the issues.

There's been discussion about how politics shouldn't be in sport, but the footage of Newcastle marching in support of the Steel Workers isn't raised despite it being a prime example of unionism in a political demonstration. It's telling that the only 'politics' being complained about is an indigenous person and non-heterosexual women existing on the ad.

I'm not an expert on what sells the game. I can't provide statistics. But if you can show me statistics that this ad propels the game forward then I'll stand corrected. Lets come back in a year.

But you're an expert enough to criticise the business that probably does have those analytics? Not to mention that we stagnant TV viewership, crowds, and membership would be enough to suggest the current method of 'Just show highlights' doesn't work bringing in new fans.

Yes and that footage was excellent. I'd like to know why those other moments we are all getting stirred up about were placed in there. To attract new fans? If thats the case lets come back in a year and the proof will be in the pudding.

Because the point of the ad, as has been discussed, is that the game is across multiple communities in a broader society and collectively makes everyone feel part of something special and supportive.

Unfortunately, the reaction to the ad is enough to suggest that this is not the case. That it's ok to be indigenous, or gay, as long as you aren't proud of it and keep it hidden. Definitely sounds like a welcoming sport.
 

franklin2323

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So they're part of our game, but we don't need to put them in?

I don't get it. You don't want anybody to know our game is inclusive?

Every game is inclusive that is the thing. None of that sets RL apart from say soccer or cricket in this country...

What those other sports can’t show as part of their games are the big hits, tries etc
 

franklin2323

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Who wants to see highlights of the game you are trying to promote when there Woke points to be won?? It shows you how much they believe in their virtue signalling when they change the ad as soon as their is a hint of criticism. So typical.

Ahh yes my mistake
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
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That is correct, why bother with the rest? Its an inclusive ad without it.
Why not?

I keep hearing "why do we need this this and this' in the ad, but never why we shouldn't have them in the first place.
You will never stop complaints but in my view that is a better way to promote the game.
Exactly. If people will always complain, why should they pander to people?
Again, if these moments are really about growing the game and trying something new then lets look at the numbers at seasons end.
If you think the TVC at the start of the season is the only metric then I've got news for you...
 

Timmah

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Every game is inclusive that is the thing. None of that sets RL apart from say soccer or cricket in this country...

What those other sports can’t show as part of their games are the big hits, tries etc
That doesn't answer the question. Why shouldn't we put them in?
 

Frailty

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Every game is inclusive that is the thing. None of that sets RL apart from say soccer or cricket in this country...

What those other sports can’t show as part of their games are the big hits, tries etc

Every game is not inclusive. Rugby League isn't inclusive either to be honest. The outrage about the ad is enough to show you that it isn't.

Union has big hits and tries. NFL has big hits and touch downs. NHL has big hits. AFL can have big hits.

Rugby League is not as unique as you think.
 

Fangs

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Why? There are plenty of parts of the ad which involve players not playing football. But the two complaints a levelled at Latrell Mitchell shrouding himself with the Aboriginal flag, and two women embracing (which was actually at a League game). If the issue is 'not enough football', then it is perfectly acceptable to ask why would those scenes be targeted for discussion rather than the rest of the issues.

There's been discussion about how politics shouldn't be in sport, but the footage of Newcastle marching in support of the Steel Workers isn't raised despite it being a prime example of unionism in a political demonstration. It's telling that the only 'politics' being complained about is an indigenous person and non-heterosexual women existing on the ad.

But you're an expert enough to criticise the business that probably does have those analytics? Not to mention that we stagnant TV viewership, crowds, and membership would be enough to suggest the current method of 'Just show highlights' doesn't work bringing in new fans.

Because the point of the ad, as has been discussed, is that the game is across multiple communities in a broader society and collectively makes everyone feel part of something special and supportive.

Unfortunately, the reaction to the ad is enough to suggest that this is not the case. That it's ok to be indigenous, or gay, as long as you aren't proud of it and keep it hidden. Definitely sounds like a welcoming sport.

Good question re targets for discussion. I do think society needs to mature when talking about these issues. Though the original comment was throwing some serious shade, I didn't find it appropriate and I don't stand for what you insinuated.

Not an expert, I'm a fan. And I don't like the ad, and yes I think the guys who made it missed the mark big time. You want stats, I'll wait until we have some at seasons end. Then as armchair experts we can settle it.

Leaving it at that. If you think you 'won' this, then you did.
 

Frailty

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Good question re targets for discussion. I do think society needs to mature when talking about these issues. Though the original comment was throwing some serious shade, I didn't find it appropriate and I don't stand for what you insinuated.

Not an expert, I'm a fan. And I don't like the ad, and yes I think the guys who made it missed the mark big time. You want stats, I'll wait until we have some at seasons end. Then as armchair experts we can settle it.

Leaving it at that. If you think you 'won' this, then you did.

Nobody is a winner in this. There are losers though - namely young indigenous or non-heterosexual people who could have seen Rugby League as a sport that acknowledges, accepts, and embraces them but instead a seeing a pushback from media or certain groups that only sends the message that you can play but don't let use know who you are.

I guess at least we aren't AFL who have fans that are openly racist and seemingly have issues for being called out on it.
 

hineyrulz

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snickers007

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I actually quite like the ad, and having watched it 4-5 times now, I'm still getting goosebumps when they actually show the footy.

But I do have a few issues with it:
1) The lack of fact checking and attention to detail is embarrassing (eg. Turbo brothers scene)
2) The kiss was after State of Origin - which isn't part of the NRL competition. No other Origin scenes are shown. This is an advert for the NRL Competition - not Rugby League in Australia
3) Cutting Tina's chorus for an acapella rendition by a young girl with a weak voice is a bit deflating

Re: the Latrell Mitchell scene - it's a bit lengthy, and the change in music makes it really stand out. Along with the lack of any recognition of Kiwi/Pacific Islander influence on the game, I can see the arguments about design-by-committee etc. But if these 5-7 seconds of footage mean that more indigenous kids play footy, I'm not gonna complain.

The News Corp coverage of the ad is completely transparent, and a strong indictment on their morals and values.

And yeah, Channel 9s version is much better, mostly cause they had more actual footy on display
 

franklin2323

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Every game is not inclusive. Rugby League isn't inclusive either to be honest. The outrage about the ad is enough to show you that it isn't.

Union has big hits and tries. NFL has big hits and touch downs. NHL has big hits. AFL can have big hits.

Rugby League is not as unique as you think.

The outrage is due to it being like a documentary instead of an ad about a sport.
 

franklin2323

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That doesn't answer the question. Why shouldn't we put them in?

Cause we are trying to get people to take time out of a busy schedule and watch the game... Yet show off field stuff instead of what makes you tune in Every Weekend for 30 odd weeks
 

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