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Todd Greenberg has got to go!

Are you happy with Greenberg's performance as CEO?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 5.9%
  • No

    Votes: 86 85.1%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 9 8.9%

  • Total voters
    101

Canard

Immortal
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Honestly I don't get why people argue about this anymore, everybody is just arguing over red herrings or fear mongering at this point.

It seems to me that everybody on the old Sydney fan side is scared of their clubs being killed off, but nobody with any credibility on the other side is actually suggesting that any clubs be killed off as it'd be completely unnecessary to achieve their goals, and it'd be an unnecessary waste.

Then once that red herring goes past everybody on the old Sydney fan side fear mongers about rationalisation saying that it'll create wastelands for the sport, "look at NS", etc, which to do so you'd have to ignore all the other factors that lead to NS turning out how it did all of which aren't issues anymore, and if rationalisation is handled properly (not the half arsed rushed mess that was the end of SL) all evidence suggests the contrary, just look anywhere in pretty much any sport, South Melbourne and Fitzroy are still AFL "heartlands", St. Louis still loves it's American Football, etc, etc, etc, even in our sport there're examples of successful rationalisation and regulation (Newtown, Glebe, Annandale, Uni, hundreds more if you look in England).

So really the whole thing is a non-argument and has been since the late 70s, the weight of evidence all leads one way, the real issue is people failing to or being unwilling to accept the evidence and people in positions of power being unwilling to cede that power, not whether or not rationalisation works or if rationalisation would be beneficial to the NRL, those arguments are already settled to any rational and/or sincere person...

It's also ironic that pretty much every person that is anti-rationalisation's clubs either wouldn't exist at all without prior rationalisation of the competition or wouldn't exist in the form that they currently do without rationalisation.

This. Well said.
 

titoelcolombiano

First Grade
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6,645
You should look at his idea (I think it is his idea) for the Brisbane Firsts rep team (re)introduction. In my opinion that is the best Brisbane 2 concept put forward yet. Essentially it establishes the second Brisbane team as the good guy and Broncos as the bad guy. Thats the kind of rivalry we need up there. Pitting the Qld people v the corporates.

Yep - there is no geographical rivalry in Brisbane that would match a rivalry created along those lines:

Corporate Broncos v Community Club Brisbane would be fierce
 

The Great Dane

First Grade
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7,960
But

Newcastle Illawarra Auckland Nth Qld were all established regional representative teams. And they adopted colours from those rep teams

Apart from Illawarra that's not true at all.

Aucklands rep colours were blue and white, similar to a Bulldogs jersey with the colours inverted, the old Auckland jerseys look nothing like the Auckland Warriors jerseys, Nth Qlds rep colours was just solid blue and it was a different shade of blue then the one the Cowboys use, the old Nth Qld rep jerseys were exactly the same as a Blue Bags jersey, and Stallion has already told you about Newcastle.

Crushers Mariners were new clubs in established markets

Gold Coast-Tweed had identity crisis was it a Qld Gold Coast regional team or a Far North Coast NSW regional team

Melbourne Perth Adelaide were teams in emerging markets

Yes, and?
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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Yep - there is no geographical rivalry in Brisbane that would match a rivalry created along those lines:

Corporate Broncos v Community Club Brisbane would be fierce
When afl expanded in Perth the second club was a definite different social appeal. Eagles were always seen as the corporate big end of town with lots of money. When they launched freo they very much set them up to be seen as the working class club, the club for the avg battler. Brisbane2 needs to be something similar. But then we have Todd so any discussion of what Brisane2 should be is mute.
 

Stallion

First Grade
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When afl expanded in Perth the second club was a definite different social appeal. Eagles were always seen as the corporate big end of town with lots of money. When they launched freo they very much set them up to be seen as the working class club, the club for the avg battler. Brisbane2 needs to be something similar. But then we have Todd so any discussion of what Brisane2 should be is mute.

Brisbane 2 needs to happen. The first go was poorly done and up against it. This time its way overdue and should happen for the sake of the code and the competition. So many advantages to be gained; tv coverage flexibility, more aspiring juniors and more fans to name a few pluses.
 

Perth Red

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Not under Greenberg! Reality is it will cost around $35mill a year to expand to nine games. Nrl have allocated funds and have been running at a loss whilst spending their entire savings, unless they left the opportunity to sell the ninth game before 2023, which I very much doubt, it’s hard to see that they will have the money or the willl.
 

Stallion

First Grade
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Not under Greenberg! Reality is it will cost around $35mill a year to expand to nine games. Nrl have allocated funds and have been running at a loss whilst spending their entire savings, unless they left the opportunity to sell the ninth game before 2023, which I very much doubt, it’s hard to see that they will have the money or the willl.

Surely a ninth game would bring more revenue!?
 

Perth Red

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Surely a ninth game would bring more revenue!?

You’d think so but given the nrl did not try and sell it in this tv deal you have to wonder was it because of lack of value , lack of tv interest or lack of strategy by nrl?
Currently each game is worth about $50mill a year. (8 games $400mill)
 

Stallion

First Grade
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You’d think so but given the nrl did not try and sell it in this tv deal you have to wonder was it because of lack of value , lack of tv interest or lack of strategy by nrl?
Currently each game is worth about $50mill a year. (8 games $400mill)

My gut feel is they are not there for the interests of the code. They have been sitting on their hands for far too long to be considered a proactive and enterprising organisation. Given that they have been neglecting player development in many areas is also an aspect dominating this organisation. Not progressive at all.
 
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taipan

Referee
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You’d think so but given the nrl did not try and sell it in this tv deal you have to wonder was it because of lack of value , lack of tv interest or lack of strategy by nrl?
Currently each game is worth about $50mill a year. (8 games $400mill)

And what would they be worth in 2023?When even the financially battling TV stations don't know.Just flippantly saying they'll be worth $50m ,with the way technology his going is foolhardy.
 

Stallion

First Grade
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Every CEO has continued with 9 clubs in Sydney even though that's not economically viable...

Are you still peddling that crap!? Their should be ten clubs at minimum in Sydney. One definitely needs to be coming out of North Sydney / Central Coast! And you want to dilute the reason why people admire the NRL. Such disrespect and reckless disdain for the game! Give yourself an upper cut on behalf of those 100000s fans that relate and follow those clubs you so cheaply dismiss!
 

The Great Dane

First Grade
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Are you still peddling that crap!? Their should be ten clubs at minimum in Sydney. One definitely needs to be coming out of North Sydney / Central Coast!

It's called Manly....
And you want to dilute the reason why people admire the NRL. Such disrespect and reckless disdain for the game! Give yourself an upper cut on behalf of those 100000s fans that relate and follow those clubs you so cheaply dismiss!

I note that you haven't refuted what I said...
 

Stallion

First Grade
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It's called Manly....


I note that you haven't refuted what I said...

I tell you what you would get with your slash and burn logic a competition heading for financial disaster! The Sydney clubs are vital for the fabric and integrity of the NRL. They are the reason why clubs outside of Sydney wanted in!. You do realise the Sydney clubs (including the Bears) have 100000s of fans within and outside of Sydney? Your destructionist stance is ignorant and inviting disaster by stealth of rugby league as a major code in Australia. Theirs your answer which I did provide in my answer in the previous post. (It was in the 100000s of fans comment). But you obviously cant figure such significant facts out! Especially with your dumb stance.
 
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