Todd Greenberg has got to go!

[The Great Dane]

I tell you what you would get with your slash and burn logic a competition heading for financial disaster! The Sydney clubs are vital for the fabric and integrity of the NRL. They are the reason why clubs outside of Sydney wanted in!. You do realise the Sydney clubs (including the Bears) have 100000s of fans within and outside of Sydney? Your destructionist stance is ignorant and inviting disaster by stealth of rugby league as a major code in Australia. Theirs your answer which I did provide in my answer in the previous post. (It was in the 100000s of fans comment). But you obviously cant figure such significant facts out! Especially with your dumb stance.

And yet you've still failed to refute what I said...

 

[siv]

Surely a ninth game would bring more revenue!?

Not if they gave it away already

 

[siv]

Apart from Illawarra that's not true at all.

Aucklands rep colours were blue and white, similar to a Bulldogs jersey with the colours inverted, the old Auckland jerseys look nothing like the Auckland Warriors jerseys, Nth Qlds rep colours was just solid blue and it was a different shade of blue then the one the Cowboys use, the old Nth Qld rep jerseys were exactly the same as a Blue Bags jersey, and Stallion has already told you about Newcastle.



Yes, and?

Auckland in 1995 added a minor dash of red and green to the blue and white

Newcastle had won the state cup in red and blue

Nth Qld - carried blue be it navy blue into their jersey when they added grey yellow and white

But whats important here is that these 4 regions had regional rep teams in place

 

[Stallion]

And yet you've still failed to refute what I said...

When what you have said is clearly ignorant that should be refuting in most people's eyes! Not yours though!

 

[OldPanther]

Every CEO has continued with 9 clubs in Sydney even though that's not economically viable...

It's no more or less viable then any other number of teams.

 

[Stallion]

Not if they gave it away already

Surely they can't be that innept!? Then again we have been witnessing inneptness for some time now!

 

[Stallion]

It's no more or less viable then any other number of teams.

The difference being that the code has greater presence with more clubs and less with fewer clubs.

 

[OldPanther]

The difference being that the code has greater presence with more clubs and less with fewer clubs.

Well I doubt fans of current clubs decide to switch. I imagine it would take a generation or two to get back that share of the market left by the vacating club.

 

[Stallion]

Well I doubt fans of current clubs decide to switch. I imagine it would take a generation or two to get back that share of the market left by the vacating club.

Correct and this is why ridding clubs with established fan bases is not good business. Expansion and more fans are gained through additional clubs. Simple as that. Implosion in Sydney clubs leads to explosion elsewhere and in Sydney for rugby league.

 

[M2D2]

Every CEO has continued with 9 clubs in Sydney even though that's not economically viable...

Your record is still skipping. May want to look into that.

 

[taipan]

Every CEO has continued with 9 clubs in Sydney even though that's not economically viable...

I didn't realise Canberra with their regular CEO made money this and last year. Thought it was only Brisbane LOL.
You ignored my point about a CEO of the NRL ,not individual clubs.That CEO is responsible for revenues from TV deals and providing the club grants.If the money for the NRL is not forthcoming from 2023 onwards, then I repeat any CEO worth his salt would err on the safeside and not spend money they don't have ala ARU.

 

[Perth Red]

I repeat don;t pin your hopes on a new CEO.Any CEO worth his salt is not going to just put pins on maps, unless it is economically viable.

Pins on a map? Are you Dave Gallop?

 

[Perth Red]

And what would they be worth in 2023?When even the financially battling TV stations don't know.Just flippantly saying they'll be worth $50m ,with the way technology his going is foolhardy.

Who knows, not you or I. Maybe they’ll be worth less and that is why Smith was trying to build a nest egg, that Greenberg has now blown, or maybe they’ll continue the trend of the last 20 years and be worth more with more competition from digital providers. Hard to say.

 

[siv]

The difference being that the code has greater presence with more clubs and less with fewer clubs.

Well they gave away Pacific Tests as part of the TV deal. Not sure how much say or compensation Tonga, Samoa, PNG and Fiji RL get.

 

[taipan]

Pins on a map? Are you Dave Gallop?

I'm not Perth Red that's for sure.I live in the real world.

 

[taipan]

Who knows, not you or I. Maybe they’ll be worth less and that is why Smith was trying to build a nest egg, that Greenberg has now blown, or maybe they’ll continue the trend of the last 20 years and be worth more with more competition from digital providers. Hard to say.

They all are trying to build a nest egg.Trouble is Smith went solo and stuffed things up.Spending money on high priced consultants within the admin ,who showed nothing for their efforts.Some were on reportedly $600,000 per year.Smith was on double Greenberg's salary also.
And little went to grassroots with his so called nest egg.Yet $750,000 went to a feasibility study for the SFS.There was a hell of a lot of waste within that admin.

And you think the dramas involving the Titans/Newcastle/WT and Dragons finance wise wouldn't have happened under Smith? LOL they were happening, and sucking up the code's finances in the process.He either would have had to bail them out, or let them go
Smith understood banking and making profits ,without having to use all those profits to sustain a business.Sport is a different kettle of fish, which he didn't really grasp, and I thought he was going to go great guns.Silly me.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

You have assumed that the general public is happy with the significant mergers and ommissions as a result of the superleague "agreement". This is not so! I'm pretty sure Balmain would like to be the Balmain Tigers, Wests would like to be the Western Suburbs/Sydney Magpies, & North Sydney Bears would like to be playing in the top flight? You once again think that this set up hasn't damaged the code. These clubs had / have substantial junior local leagues and supporters in Sydney and all over Australia and you have ignored these people and the dwindling junior ranks. My word you are an ignorant piece of work! Especially in a code that was number one in a big way(not a little way) in Sydney for many decades. You're the sort of guy that dismisses the 8 junior clubs where their used to be 20 junior clubs in the North Sydney area as the way things are.
The television marketability of the Sydney club competition from the 1970s onwards was admired and respected by the general public . The local leagues you speak of did not have this wide reaching and popular coverage. That's why these areas outside of Sydney wanted in! It wasn't a finger flick! It was an admiration of the Sydney competition that was being beamed to countless homes outside of Sydney.
Your despicable and ignorant regard for the code of rugby league is very consistent. And your 'rep" idea would not have worked when the carving up of these established, well known and wonderful clubs occured as a superleague "compromise"(smiling assassin handshake)in the late 1990s. Shame on you.

They might not be happy, but it is clearly ok. The reality is that you cant have a team in every suburb...

9 teams is Sydney is preventing teams in expansion areas. As every expansion location in the NRL has shown, rationalisation does not kill RL.

If you think Sydney is special and they are the only ones who need a team in every suburb, then you should explain what makes Sydney so different. If you think 4 team in western Sydney is more important than one team is Perth, you are delusional...

 

[Stallion]

They might not be happy, but it is clearly ok. The reality is that you cant have a team in every suburb...


9 teams is Sydney is preventing teams in expansion areas. As every expansion location in the NRL has shown, rationalisation does not kill RL.

If you think Sydney is special and they are the only ones who need a team in every suburb, then you should explain what makes Sydney so different. If you think 4 team in western Sydney is more important than one team is Perth, you are delusional...

8.5 teams is not stopping additional clubs in the NRL. Expansion can still be achieved with additional clubs. Imploding the code at its Sydney base a
Is a surefire recipe for disaster. But you have been ignoring this reality repeatedly . Just hope you never get an official say in strategic aims for the NRL competition!

 

[Perth Red]

They all are trying to build a nest egg.Trouble is Smith went solo and stuffed things up.Spending money on high priced consultants within the admin ,who showed nothing for their efforts.Some were on reportedly $600,000 per year.Smith was on double Greenberg's salary also.
And little went to grassroots with his so called nest egg.Yet $750,000 went to a feasibility study for the SFS.There was a hell of a lot of waste within that admin.

And you think the dramas involving the Titans/Newcastle/WT and Dragons finance wise wouldn't have happened under Smith? LOL they were happening, and sucking up the code's finances in the process.He either would have had to bail them out, or let them go
Smith understood banking and making profits ,without having to use all those profits to sustain a business.Sport is a different kettle of fish, which he didn't really grasp, and I thought he was going to go great guns.Silly me.

And yet the nrl spent more on admin last year than at anytime in the games history. When Smith left there was $80mill in the rainy day account. Greenberg has chewed through it, ran at a loss and still needed a loan to deal with “cash flow”. I guess one was a banker and one is a wan.....

 

[taipan]

And yet the nrl spent more on admin last year than at anytime in the games history. When Smith left there was $80mill in the rainy day account. Greenberg has chewed through it, ran at a loss and still needed a loan to deal with “cash flow”. I guess one was a banker and one is a wan.....

More people involved now including the digital set up staff and including extra DOs,compared to consultants who did zot.And the bush remain neglected .You go figure
Smith would have had to eat into that $80m to save the Titans and Knights,pay for digital $150m(which would have impacted cash held) over the next few years.More than likely being a non rl man, he would have said stuff it, the Knights and Titans can wither,I want the $80m.

How long has Smith been gone, remembering all the payments for the consultants who got sacked after he left.Remembering the monies Integrity dept involved in the Eel's debacle, the Eagles salary cap investigations.The money to cover the Internationals series at Campbelltown,which BTW ran at a loss, despite the crowd.
It's not a flipping tuck shop operation.

Anyone can say, look I've got all this money in the bank, and ignore future essential payments.That;s exactly how the ARU operated after the 2003RWC :$48m.
Or one could say, one is a rogue player who will get caught out financially just as the banks did in 2008 ,and another is a conservative who doesn't want to see the code do a Pulver.Of course you don't give a stuff as long as you get a side and stuff the other clubs.It's all about you apparently.
IOW one a Banker who wouldn't know a Cameron Smith from a Todd Carney,againt one who would and know the problems that exist.

You've been reading too much Slothfield.We'd still be paying for non effective high paying consultants and the bush would be cactus.
It's obvious like Kent and Slothfield (the great economists of our time),you have little idea about how business and cash flow works, and the occasions where cash is tight until the next debtors pay up.TV companies don't pay all the annual TV deal up front sports.
That's why companies have loan facilities at times.