Todd Greenberg has got to go!

[Stallion]

More people involved now including the digital set up staff and including extra DOs,compared to consultants who did zot.And the bush remain neglected .You go figure
Smith would have had to eat into that $80m to save the Titans and Knights,pay for digital $150m over the next few years.More than likely being a non rl man, he would have said stuff it, the Knights and Titans can wither,I want the $80m.How long has Smith been gone, remembering all the payments for the consultants who got sacked after he left.Remembering the monies involved in the Eel's debacle, the Eagles salary cap investigations.
It's not a flipping tuck shop operation.

Anyone can say, look I've got all this money in the bank, and ignore future essential payments.That;s exactly how the ARU operated after the 2003RWC :$48m.
Or one could say, one is a rogue player who will get caught out financially just as the banks did in 2008 ,and another is a conservative who doesn't want to see the code do a Pulver.Of course you don't give a stuff as long as you get a side and stuff the other clubs.It's all about you apparently.

You've been reading too much Slothfield.We'd still be paying for non effective high paying consultants and the bush would be cactus.

Please note that ARU is presiding over a crap sport. Whereas our administrators have a far superior sports product and are still stuffing it up!

 

[taipan]

Please note that ARU is presiding over a crap sport. Whereas our administrators have a far superior sports product and are still stuffing it up!

I also note the ARU still had $48m in the Bank,then that sport quickly got rid of it,helped by another Banker type Pulver,and look at the fine mess they are in.They expanded, and as has been shown they stuffed that up, they obviously did not do a real check on operating and fixed costs, team performances affecting same, and lack of player depth.

I also suggest the NRL spending $150m on their digital dept ,played a fair part in eating into their monies.

Administration achieves little and wastes a lot, when they hire $600,000 pa consultants who achieve either little or zot.Smith had no qualms in spending money this way, and enjoy the lifestyle bankers are accustomed to.

We had two basket case clubs ,Titans and Newcastle.they either had to be dropped or underpinned by the NRL,that's not the fault of the NRL admin, but the clubs involved.
IMO the NRL did the right thing by securing their future.Anyone who thinks otherwise cares little for the game or its fans, in such a competitive environment.
NB :AFL is a crap sport and does pretty well.Maybe they had CEOs who could negotiate decent TV deals, as opposed to the numpties we've had.

 

[Delboy]

How do the Eels get blamed for expenditure, they were fined a $1 million which would have easily covered the audit cost, find something else to deflect blame off the incompetent CEO.

 

[taipan]

How do the Eels get blamed for expenditure, they were fined a $1 million which would have easily covered the audit cost, find something else to deflect blame off the incompetent CEO.

Deflecting LOL
It also depends what the fine money is used for.Grassroots doesn't seem to be getting a decent share.
The cost of integrity unit and the NRL lawyers involved.The unknown cost of potential code sponsors who steer clear every time a club stuffs up like this.Like the Sharks and they also got fined.
Anytime a clown be it a CEO,or player stuffs up in the public eye, its a black eye for the code,and sometimes financially.
In fact the integrity Unit from what I gather is flat out, either trying to put out fires, or checking how they started.

 

[Stallion]

I also note the ARU still had $48m in the Bank,then that sport quickly got rid of it,helped by another Banker type Pulver,and look at the fine mess they are in.They expanded, and as has been shown they stuffed that up, they obviously did not do a real check on operating and fixed costs, team performances affecting same, and lack of player depth.

I also suggest the NRL spending $150m on their digital dept ,played a fair part in eating into their monies.

Administration achieves little and wastes a lot, when they hire $600,000 pa consultants who achieve either little or zot.Smith had no qualms in spending money this way, and enjoy the lifestyle bankers are accustomed to.

We had two basket case clubs ,Titans and Newcastle.they either had to be dropped or underpinned by the NRL,that's not the fault of the NRL admin, but the clubs involved.
IMO the NRL did the right thing by securing their future.Anyone who thinks otherwise cares little for the game or its fans, in such a competitive environment.
NB :AFL is a crap sport and does pretty well.Maybe they had CEOs who could negotiate decent TV deals, as opposed to the numpties we've had.

The AFL have a significant advantage in that their game has presence in all schooling which enables decent/more business savvy people to do their negotiating and also having a friendlier business environment as a result. After all many private school students are taken up in the top end of town.

 

[taipan]

The AFL have a significant advantage in that their game has presence in all schooling which enables decent/more business savvy people to do their negotiating and also having a friendlier business environment as a result. After all many private school students are taken up in the top end of town.

But as you and we know ,it's still an ordinary game, with no International presence, no SOO.
We are not going to get business savvy people, if clubs CEO act on like loons ,and players consider themselves above the law.
The problem has always been(and I attended a union private school),rl has next to zero chance of getting in, as the school councils consider rl as a competitor and an inbred dislike for the code,wheareas soccer and AFL are not so.
The day rl gets into GOPS schools is the day i win lotto,that's about the odds.

 

[Stallion]

But as you and we know ,it's still an ordinary game, with no International presence, no SOO.
We are not going to get business savvy people, if clubs CEO act on like loons ,and players consider themselves above the law.
The problem has always been(and I attended a union private school),rl has next to zero chance of getting in, as the school councils consider rl as a competitor and an inbred dislike for the code,wheareas soccer and AFL are not so.
The day rl gets into GOPS schools is the day i win lotto,that's about the odds.

I hope you win Lotto as this is one of the major issues underlying rugby league's struggles. But its not being addressed!
You bring up an excellent point which a decent sporting administrator would make it his business to remedy such unfairness. It's actually quite ridiculous in this day and age. And completely reeks of biggotry against the code of rugby league. What's alarming is the general public are not aware of this elite private school attitude toward one of Australia's most popular football codes in rugbyleague.

 

[Perth Red]

More people involved now including the digital set up staff and including extra DOs,compared to consultants who did zot.And the bush remain neglected .You go figure
Smith would have had to eat into that $80m to save the Titans and Knights,pay for digital $150m(which would have impacted cash held) over the next few years.More than likely being a non rl man, he would have said stuff it, the Knights and Titans can wither,I want the $80m.

How long has Smith been gone, remembering all the payments for the consultants who got sacked after he left.Remembering the monies Integrity dept involved in the Eel's debacle, the Eagles salary cap investigations.The money to cover the Internationals series at Campbelltown,which BTW ran at a loss, despite the crowd.
It's not a flipping tuck shop operation.

Anyone can say, look I've got all this money in the bank, and ignore future essential payments.That;s exactly how the ARU operated after the 2003RWC :$48m.
Or one could say, one is a rogue player who will get caught out financially just as the banks did in 2008 ,and another is a conservative who doesn't want to see the code do a Pulver.Of course you don't give a stuff as long as you get a side and stuff the other clubs.It's all about you apparently.
IOW one a Banker who wouldn't know a Cameron Smith from a Todd Carney,againt one who would and know the problems that exist.

You've been reading too much Slothfield.We'd still be paying for non effective high paying consultants and the bush would be cactus.
It's obvious like Kent and Slothfield (the great economists of our time),you have little idea about how business and cash flow works, and the occasions where cash is tight until the next debtors pay up.TV companies don't pay all the annual TV deal up front sports.
That's why companies have loan facilities at times.

Digital isn’t being paid for until now, do’s costs are in football not admin costs. The loans to clubs isn’t in admin costs. Despite all that the admin costs in last nrl annual report went up way beyond CPI and were the most spent ever. Not on development, not on bailing clubs out but on the nrl and arlc administration of the game.

that $80mill was blown 2 years ago. Debts run up, inheritance spent, loan needed, next tv deal already being spent and can you honestly say despite the $800mill plus spent In Greenbergs term the game is any stronger, bigger or better? Greenberg is conservative in thinking but clearly as big, if not bigger a spend thrift than smith ever was. The nrl accounts clearly show this.

 

[Pedge1971]

Has Greenburg gone yet?

And can we debate the need to reduce the number of Sydney teams please? I dont think this has been discussed enough.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Who knows, not you or I. Maybe they’ll be worth less and that is why Smith was trying to build a nest egg, that Greenberg has now blown, or maybe they’ll continue the trend of the last 20 years and be worth more with more competition from digital providers. Hard to say.

TBF a "nest egg" is just money invested. Putting $150mil into a digital department is an investment that could be hugely valuable to the game in the long run (imagine if the ARL not just made money from Paytv feals, but even had a stake in the Fox)

The only difference between this and investing money somewhere else is that this will also have positive impacts on the game as well as making money. But the fact that it will have positive impacts makes it look less like an investment and just like any other cost...

 

[T-Boon]

The problem has always been(and I attended a union private school),rl has next to zero chance of getting in, as the school councils consider rl as a competitor and an inbred dislike for the code,wheareas soccer and AFL are not so.

The key in may be touch footy.
The private girls schools like Kincoppal play touch. Sneak it in to all the private Eastern suburbs girls schools then...SPRING THE TRAP, get an iron clad link between NRL and touch footy (such as an actual televised mixed touch comp with NRL stars and female touch playersplaying for and against) watch the private girls schools go nuts and watch the private boys schools follow because the dudes just go where the girls are at.

 

[Stallion]

The key in may be touch footy.
The private girls schools like Kincoppal play touch. Sneak it in to all the private Eastern suburbs girls schools then...SPRING THE TRAP, get an iron clad link between NRL and touch footy (such as an actual televised mixed touch comp with NRL stars and female touch playersplaying for and against) watch the private girls schools go nuts and watch the private boys schools follow because the dudes just go where the girls are at.

T Boon I guarantee that if touch footy had the play the ball rule it would not be accepted in such schools. The very rugby union like dump and run motion has attracted the biggots running such private schools. They will tolerate the six tackle rule but not the play the ball with the foot motion which is a hallmark rugby league and original touch footy action.

 

[T-Boon]

T Boon I guarantee that if touch footy had the play the ball rule it would not be accepted in such schools. The very rugby union like dump and run motion has attracted the biggots running such private schools. They will tolerate the six tackle rule but not the play the ball with the foot motion which is a hallmark rugby league and original touch footy action.

I agree. Thats the trap though, because we rightly own touch footy. Get it accepted in these private schools then... bangW@!... run an NRL/mixed australian touch rep comp which aligns these f**kers with league even though they didn't know it.

 

[Stallion]

I agree. Thats the trap though, because we rightly own touch footy. Get it accepted in these private schools then... bangW@!... run an NRL/mixed australian touch rep comp which aligns these f**kers with league even though they didn't know it.

With original play the ball with foot rules!? Or does touch still show the very rugby union like dump roll? This crucial part of "tippy league' now called touch football needs to be back in vogue. Even if a version called "original touch" came out, that would be something.

 

[Stallion]

Has Greenburg gone yet?

And can we debate the need to reduce the number of Sydney teams please? I dont think this has been discussed enough.

It should not be discussed at all. Their should be another club playing out of the Sydney area and it should be the North Sydney/Central Bears in my opinion.

 

[T-Boon]

T Boon I guarantee that if touch footy had the play the ball rule it would not be accepted in such schools. The very rugby union like dump and run motion has attracted the biggots running such private schools. They will tolerate the six tackle rule but not the play the ball with the foot motion which is a hallmark rugby league and original touch footy action.

One cold, hard fact you need to realise is that, in very fundamental ways, touch footy looks a lot less like Rugby Union than Rugby League does. Rugby League is terrified to shed its Rugby Union traits. Touch Footy is like the honey badger....it dont give a shit.

 

[Stallion]

One cold, hard fact you need to realise is that, in very fundamental ways, touch footy looks a lot less like Rugby Union than Rugby League does. Rugby League is terrified to shed its Rugby Union traits. Touch Footy is like the honey badger....it dont give a shit.

Its a half measure TBoon. I get what you are saying but this code and touch footy is good enough to redeem itself and enjoy the many subtle plays around the ruck as a result of playing the ball with the foot. Their is also a discipline aspect associated with the correct play the ball that has been lost by avoiding this fundamental rule. Something the kids can really learn and thrive on as a result of its implementation in a game.

 

[T-Boon]

Its a half measure TBoon. I get what you are saying but this code and touch footy is good enough to redeem itself and enjoy the many subtle plays around the ruck as a result of playing the ball with the foot. Their is also a discipline aspect associated with the correct play the ball that has been lost by avoiding this fundamental rule. Something the kids can really learn and thrive on as a result of its implementation in a game.

i am pissed - going to go listen to music now.

 

[Teddyboy]

Deflecting LOL
It also depends what the fine money is used for.Grassroots doesn't seem to be getting a decent share.
The cost of integrity unit and the NRL lawyers involved.The unknown cost of potential code sponsors who steer clear every time a club stuffs up like this.Like the Sharks and they also got fined.
Anytime a clown be it a CEO,or player stuffs up in the public eye, its a black eye for the code,and sometimes financially.
In fact the integrity Unit from what I gather is flat out, either trying to put out fires, or checking how they started.

I would love to be a CEO with the money these clowns make.

 

[Perth Red]

I also note the ARU still had $48m in the Bank,then that sport quickly got rid of it,helped by another Banker type Pulver,and look at the fine mess they are in.They expanded, and as has been shown they stuffed that up, they obviously did not do a real check on operating and fixed costs, team performances affecting same, and lack of player depth.

I also suggest the NRL spending $150m on their digital dept ,played a fair part in eating into their monies.

Administration achieves little and wastes a lot, when they hire $600,000 pa consultants who achieve either little or zot.Smith had no qualms in spending money this way, and enjoy the lifestyle bankers are accustomed to.

We had two basket case clubs ,Titans and Newcastle.they either had to be dropped or underpinned by the NRL,that's not the fault of the NRL admin, but the clubs involved.
IMO the NRL did the right thing by securing their future.Anyone who thinks otherwise cares little for the game or its fans, in such a competitive environment.
NB :AFL is a crap sport and does pretty well.Maybe they had CEOs who could negotiate decent TV deals, as opposed to the numpties we've had.

You keep ignoring those extra expenses are not sitting in the nrl admin line! And digital only started this year, how do you explain the massive nrl admin expense of 16-17?