Todd Greenberg has got to go!

[TheFrog]

Natural attrition is what got us a Sydney-heavy comp we have now,

It's Sydney-heavy because that's what it evolved from, it was a 12 team Sydney comp, which has been pared to nine. The AFL is exactly the same. 12 Melbourne teams (if you count the Cats) has only dropped to 10.

 

[Stallion]

It's Sydney-heavy because that's what it evolved from, it was a 12 team Sydney comp, which has been pared to nine. The AFL is exactly the same. 12 Melbourne teams (if you count the Cats) has only dropped to 10.

About time someone said the truth. This Sydney centric club existence is purely based on the game's origins. If you disrespect that then the whole fabric and respect of the competition is compromised. The Sydney clubs are both iconic and universally popular with longstanding local rivalries that are "gold" in a competitive sports market. Added to this is that Melbourne has one million less people for ten AFL clubs than Sydney with a million more people with 8.5 NRL clubs.Go figure!

 

[Stormwarrior82]

About time someone said the truth. This Sydney centric club existence is purely based on the game's origins. If you disrespect that then the whole fabric and respect of the competition is compromised. The Sydney clubs are both iconic and universally popular with longstanding local rivalries that are "gold" in a competitive sports market. Added to this is that Melbourne has one million less people for ten AFL clubs than Sydney with a million more people with 8.5 NRL clubs.Go figure!

The games origins? Give me a break. Please, read up on the qrl and brl Mate. Brisbane had a absolute ripper of a comp. it started in 1909 which valleys won, a year after the nswrl started. But time after time Sydney people think the world revolves around them. You know there are other clubs outside of nsw? Arko was not only the person that oversaw shoddy legal work that allowed the introduction of super league but also the demise of 80yr old Brisbane clubs that were iconic and brought rivalries.

Using your numbers, brisbane must be 8-10 times smaller than Sydney and Melbourne.

 

[siv]

The games origins? Give me a break. Please, read up on the qrl and brl Mate. Brisbane had a absolute ripper of a comp. it started in 1909 which valleys won, a year after the nswrl started. But time after time Sydney people think the world revolves around them. You know there are other clubs outside of nsw? Arko was not only the person that oversaw shoddy legal work that allowed the introduction of super league but also the demise of 80yr old Brisbane clubs that were iconic and brought rivalries.

Using your numbers, brisbane must be 8-10 times smaller than Sydney and Melbourne.

The demise of Brisbane RL seems to have set in during the QRL v BRL was if the 1930

They never really recovered

 

[LeagueXIII]

Errrrrr......Pretty sure the fumbleball always had better crowds, members, money. etc etc

Not at that time, crowds yes, but the corporate dollar and TV ratings were in leagues favour.

In 1994 we had a successful club season, were expanding into other states such as the origin game at the MCG, and the Kangaroo Tour was a huge success. Also we were about to bring four new clubs into the competition.

In the AFL Sydney only averaged 9800 and Brisbane 12,000.

There was Adelaide and West Coast that was it.

To quote Arthurson from the article I posted earlier:

He said the game was never in better shape than at the start of the 1995 season when Super League's raids began.

"We had the other codes on the back foot and whether we like it or not, the game has never fully recovered," Arthurson said.

 

[Cherry_poppins]

Yeh, this is my problem...

Hoping everything conveniently falls into place so you dont have to actually make a hard decision is not what most people would call "good leadership".

Natural attrition is what got us a Sydney-heavy comp we have now, and why we lost so many expansion areas. Maybe something more deliberate and thought out was the better option...

Sydney heavy comp huh? Why is the only club that repeatedly collapses the gold coast? Newcastle is another non Sydney clusterf**k, Why can the AFL do it with Melbourne? Sydney heavy to me says 'I'm an anti Sydney club merkin and this is how i plan to rid said hated team from the comp'

 

[LeagueXIII]

AFL premiers Richmond had only 8000 members in 1994, Collingwood 20,000.

In total they had 254,000. Sydney had just over 3000 and Brisbane 6000. The Victorian clubs had only 179,000 members.

http://footyindustry.com/files/afl/members/2016/AFlmembers1984-2016_aug13.png

 

[LeagueXIII]

The games origins? Give me a break. Please, read up on the qrl and brl Mate. Brisbane had a absolute ripper of a comp. it started in 1909 which valleys won, a year after the nswrl started. But time after time Sydney people think the world revolves around them. You know there are other clubs outside of nsw? Arko was not only the person that oversaw shoddy legal work that allowed the introduction of super league but also the demise of 80yr old Brisbane clubs that were iconic and brought rivalries.

Using your numbers, brisbane must be 8-10 times smaller than Sydney and Melbourne.

I love the BRL but you have to be realistic, the crowds to games outside of the Lang Park game were very small and couldn't sustain a pro club on it's own.

 

[Perth Red]

About time someone said the truth. This Sydney centric club existence is purely based on the game's origins. If you disrespect that then the whole fabric and respect of the competition is compromised. The Sydney clubs are both iconic and universally popular with longstanding local rivalries that are "gold" in a competitive sports market. Added to this is that Melbourne has one million less people for ten AFL clubs than Sydney with a million more people with 8.5 NRL clubs.Go figure!

Neither are sustainable, if the golden age of tv grant excesses reduces both comps will have to make some hard decisions

 

[Stallion]

Neither are sustainable, if the golden age of tv grant excesses reduces both comps will have to make some hard decisions

You just cant figure it out can you!? The Sydney rl premiership is the source of the NRL. The increased tv exposure of the 1970s and onwards gained immense external support for the Sydney based clubs. That is why they are fundamental to the future of the NRL competition. Other codes like AFL are now aware of this significant support for their Melbourne based teams (whom also garnished massive support thru this tv era ) and will not reduce such support. Go figure!

 

[LeagueXIII]

That is right the Sydney clubs are the bedrock of the game. You weaken it you weaken the interest for the game in Sydney and we can kiss goodbye big TV and sponsorship deals.

 

[King hit]

The games origins? Give me a break. Please, read up on the qrl and brl Mate. Brisbane had a absolute ripper of a comp. it started in 1909 which valleys won, a year after the nswrl started. But time after time Sydney people think the world revolves around them. You know there are other clubs outside of nsw? Arko was not only the person that oversaw shoddy legal work that allowed the introduction of super league but also the demise of 80yr old Brisbane clubs that were iconic and brought rivalries.

Using your numbers, brisbane must be 8-10 times smaller than Sydney and Melbourne.

The Brisbane comp was going to die a slow death as most Brisbane clubs were in dire straits financially and the competition was bleeding players to NSW rapidly. Lewis would’ve gone if he was allowed. Admitting a Brisbane club was the only way to go and it’s improved QLD as a result.

And Queenslanders accusing people of thinking the world revolves around them is just hilarious.

 

[Stallion]

The Brisbane comp was going to die a slow death as most Brisbane clubs were in dire straits financially and the competition was bleeding players to NSW rapidly. Lewis would’ve gone if he was allowed. Admitting a Brisbane club was the only way to go and it’s improved QLD as a result.

And Queenslanders accusing people of thinking the world revolves around them is just hilarious.

Funnily enough most NSW people are amazed at Brisbane only having one team! And we have a good idea that the Broncos have been greedily exerting their influence to maintain this massive monopoly over the sports public of Brisbane.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I recall reading that part of the ARL/SL peace settlement was that the Broncos would have exclusive rights to the Brisbane area for 20 years.

 

[Stallion]

I recall reading that part of the ARL/SL peace settlement was that the Broncos would have exclusive rights to the Brisbane area for 20 years.

Which was such a poor outcome for the game in Brisbane and NRL television scheduling in general!

 

[BuffaloRules]

Sorry, my thumb slipped....

Still doesnt really excuse the fact that Arko signed such bad contracts that all of the clubs could just walk out on the comp whenever they liked.

I guess dodging the point is easier than defending Arko's record though, hey.

I've defended Arko's record previously in this thread - comments explaining why the League found itself in the position it did in respect of the TV rights situation at the time, and which you have ignored...

Like I will reiterate .. I don't think the facts are your thing...

For all your criticism of Arko though... are you seriously suggesting that the current administrators are better ( I don't see any criticism of their actions..)?

I'll await your next "thumb slip"..

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

The games origins? Give me a break. Please, read up on the qrl and brl Mate. Brisbane had a absolute ripper of a comp. it started in 1909 which valleys won, a year after the nswrl started. But time after time Sydney people think the world revolves around them. You know there are other clubs outside of nsw? Arko was not only the person that oversaw shoddy legal work that allowed the introduction of super league but also the demise of 80yr old Brisbane clubs that were iconic and brought rivalries.

Using your numbers, brisbane must be 8-10 times smaller than Sydney and Melbourne.

Ya beat me to it...

 

[Stallion]

Ya beat me to it...

Silly people! The origins of the NRL are undeniably based from the Sydney RL competition. If you cant accept that then you have some sports history to research.

 

[RazorRam0n]

the nrl is still sydney centric because broncos influenced stupid league put nrl in a position where it is defending it's heartland against the AFL. everybody knows the battle of codes is not won via the brisbane lions. qlderps need to respect that sydney clubs ensure they still have a national comp

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Silly people! The origins of the NRL are undeniably based from the Sydney RL competition. If you cant accept that then you have some sports history to research.

Of course it is. Thats a statement of history, but it doesnt mean this was the BEST option. A lot of people would argue that this was a f*ck up...

The Broncos, Knights, Raiders, Steelers/Dragons, Cowboys, Warriors have all proven that new teams can be very successful and popular in old markets. The common theme is simply that these "United" teams were about the area being promoted to a higher level.

If, in 1988, the QRL/NSWRL had come together to form an ARL, they could have promoted a few of the best Sydney clubs plus formed a new club or two for the people whose teams weren't promoted.

Instead, we have a comp that (as you point out) has its origins solely in the NSWRL and were are still suffering from that today...