Todd Greenberg has got to go!

[siv]

Amazingly innept grasp of cultural reality! Do you realise that all the Sydney clubs have immense external support outside of Sydney. I know for a fact that Newcastle were waiting decades to enter the Sydney competition due to such support. You have not factored in that the mass tv appeal of the code thru the Sydney competition is the fundamental basis for the NRL having credibility and mass popularity . You rid the NRL of clubs like North Sydney and you rid a whole locality of fans (plus external located fans)and a business sector as has been witnessed. The Bears are just one current example. Wonder how many fans have been lost due to the mergers!

NSWRL wanted Illawarra and Newcastle to join in 1982. Newcastle declined

 

[Stallion]

NSWRL wanted Illawarra and Newcastle to join in 1982. Newcastle declined

Yes. The Newcastle area was not ready.And the local rugby league administrators are renowned for being the last league in NSW to take on new aspects of the game. One example being ladies leaguetag and womens rugby league. Only just introduced to Newcastle in the past two years.

 

[King hit]

NSWRL wanted Illawarra and Newcastle to join in 1982. Newcastle declined

Illawarra wanted to join in 1967 but CRL blocked the move

 

[The Great Dane]

We can, like the law of natural selection

Never before has a species came back from utter extinction, maybe the dead should stay dead leaving only the strong to survive

Cheetahs and Tasmanian devils are two species that were functionally extinct at one point in their history that managed to come back from it by intensive inbreeding that cause both extreme problems in modern times, cheetahs in particular had such a small genetic bottleneck that their population must have dropped down to only one or two family groups at one point at the end of the last ice age.
Humans ourselves are a species that at one point in our history were on the precipice of a similar situation to that that the Cheetah faced towards the end of the last ice age, we came within a bees dick of going functionally extinct and once you go functionally extinct you're almost certainly f##ked with only a handful of examples surviving that and the inbreeding necessary to survive it causes huge problems for the species (like the population being so genetically similar that cancer cells become communicable), but it can be done and since sport isn't a biological organism we don't have to worry about problems like inbreeding when we grow them back.

But the whole analogy that you are using is a fallacy because the NRL isn't a natural ecosystem, it's a for profit closed ecosystem that we can control and manipulate for more desirable results like a safari park or a zoo, we have the power to choose what animals are present in our zoo and decide based on multiple factors which animals are best to keep around and which should be replaced for a better result.

 

[Stallion]

Cheetahs and Tasmanian devils are two species that were functionally extinct at one point in their history that managed to come back from it by intensive inbreeding that cause both extreme problems in modern times, cheetahs in particular had such a small genetic bottleneck that their population must have dropped down to only one or two family groups at one point at the end of the last ice age.
Humans ourselves are a species that at one point in our history were on the precipice of a similar situation to that that the Cheetah faced towards the end of the last ice age, we came within a bees dick of going functionally extinct and once you go functionally extinct you're almost certainly f##ked with only a handful of examples surviving that and the inbreeding necessary to survive it causes huge problems for the species (like the population being so genetically similar that cancer cells become communicable), but it can be done and since sport isn't a biological organism we don't have to worry about problems like inbreeding when we grow them back.

But the whole analogy that you are using is a fallacy because the NRL isn't a natural ecosystem, it's a for profit closed ecosystem that we can control and manipulate for more desirable results like a safari park or a zoo, we have the power to choose what animals are present in our zoo and decide based on multiple factors which animals are best to keep around and which should be replaced for a better result.

I think its the "multiple factors " point that is not wisely assessed by 'destructionist' comments in this site.

 

[The Great Dane]

Sydney heavy comp huh? Why is the only club that repeatedly collapses the gold coast? Newcastle is another non Sydney clusterf**k, Why can the AFL do it with Melbourne? Sydney heavy to me says 'I'm an anti Sydney club merkin and this is how i plan to rid said hated team from the comp'

Yeah they've had problems but their problems weren't and aren't caused by an oversupply of the product that we can control, Sydney clubs problems are largely caused by over saturation and that over saturation is stunting the growth of the sport everywhere else in the country (and the rest of the South Pacific).

 

[Cherry_poppins]

Yeah they've had problems but their problems weren't and aren't caused by an oversupply of the product that we can control, Sydney clubs problems are largely caused by over saturation and that over saturation is stunting the growth of the sport everywhere else in the country (and the rest of the South Pacific).

And every fan you take the team away from is another win for AFL, you're kidding yourself if you think they'd switch sides

You'd have generations of hate against the NRL

 

[The Great Dane]

I think its the "multiple factors " point that is not wisely assessed by 'destructionist' comments in this site.

And what factors are we ignoring?

I mean they can't be anywhere near as bad as the factors you are ignoring like the facts that having more clubs representing more large capital cities is more desirable to broadcasters, sponsors, corporates, growth of the sport, and that all of those things lead to more money which leads to more opportunities for growth, and the fact that even if we do remove a Sydney club and replace them we can always reinstate them if it doesn't work out.

 

[Cherry_poppins]

Cheetahs and Tasmanian devils are two species that were functionally extinct at one point in their history that managed to come back from it by intensive inbreeding that cause both extreme problems in modern times, cheetahs in particular had such a small genetic bottleneck that their population must have dropped down to only one or two family groups at one point at the end of the last ice age.
Humans ourselves are a species that at one point in our history were on the precipice of a similar situation to that that the Cheetah faced towards the end of the last ice age, we came within a bees dick of going functionally extinct and once you go functionally extinct you're almost certainly f##ked with only a handful of examples surviving that and the inbreeding necessary to survive it causes huge problems for the species (like the population being so genetically similar that cancer cells become communicable), but it can be done and since sport isn't a biological organism we don't have to worry about problems like inbreeding when we grow them back.

But the whole analogy that you are using is a fallacy because the NRL isn't a natural ecosystem, it's a for profit closed ecosystem that we can control and manipulate for more desirable results like a safari park or a zoo, we have the power to choose what animals are present in our zoo and decide based on multiple factors which animals are best to keep around and which should be replaced for a better result.

He was using the nature bullshit

I was giving examples of nature,perhaps you should've started on him

 

[Stallion]

Yeah they've had problems but their problems weren't and aren't caused by an oversupply of the product that we can control, Sydney clubs problems are largely caused by over saturation and that over saturation is stunting the growth of the sport everywhere else in the country (and the rest of the South Pacific).

Wrong! Once again weakening the code in the largest populated city in Australia is not wise business! The AFL are viewed as progressive and are maintaining 10 top flight clubs in Melbourne with a million less people. We have this 'destructionist' line of thought that doesnt learn or appreciate the massive damage done to the code by reducing its footprint in the city of the codes birth in Australia. Very disrespectful and reckless! But this has been stated before and the same suspects are doing their damage laden tirade on rugby league again!

 

[Stallion]

And what factors are we ignoring?

I mean they can't be anywhere near as bad as the factors you are ignoring like the facts that having more clubs representing more large capital cities is more desirable to broadcasters, sponsors, corporates, growth of the sport, and that all of those things lead to more money which leads to more opportunities for growth, and the fact that even if we do remove a Sydney club and replace them we can always reinstate them if it doesn't work out.

Think the reinstating of a number of clubs is overdue! But this is doubtful due to flawed logic. And more clubs are the answer.

 

[Cherry_poppins]

Only super league club fans want the sydney clubs culled

They shouldn't even be allowed to compete,let alone try to order real clubs to f**k off

 

[The Great Dane]

And every fan you take the team away from is another win for AFL, you're kidding yourself if you think they'd switch sides

You'd have generations of hate against the NRL

And no body has ever been able to prove this generational hate past the first generation or the mass exodus to other sports apart from with anecdotes, which are useless as forms of evidence.

Why aren't Glebe or Annandale deaths great losses for the sport? Answer because basically nobody is alive that cared about them anymore and the Bears and Newtown are going the same way.

 

[Stallion]

And what factors are we ignoring?

I mean they can't be anywhere near as bad as the factors you are ignoring like the facts that having more clubs representing more large capital cities is more desirable to broadcasters, sponsors, corporates, growth of the sport, and that all of those things lead to more money which leads to more opportunities for growth, and the fact that even if we do remove a Sydney club and replace them we can always reinstate them if it doesn't work out.

The multiple factors are: longstanding fan loyalty, established rivalries, Australias largest populated city, Australias largest city tv audience, Australias longest running rugby league competition, many of Australias most widely recognized and identifiable football clubs, the credibility of the competition, the respect and general regard of this competition, the negative message to neutral sports fans when such clubs are gone, the negative message to current genuine fans of the code, the negative sentiment from the business community as they see a code in decline in the biggest city in Australia, the gifting of new fans to other football codes in Sydney , the loss of sponsors to other codes, the drop in junior numbers in Sydney and the reduced relevance of the code in Australias largest city. I'm sure ive missed a number of other 'multiple factors ' but thats a start!

 

[Stallion]

And no body has ever been able to prove this generational hate past the first generation or the mass exodus to other sports apart from with anecdotes, which are useless as forms of evidence.

Why aren't Glebe or Annandale deaths great losses for the sport? Answer because basically nobody is alive that cared about them anymore and the Bears and Newtown are going the same way.

You disrespectful idiot!

 

[Cherry_poppins]

And no body has ever been able to prove this generational hate past the first generation or the mass exodus to other sports apart from with anecdotes, which are useless as forms of evidence.

Why aren't Glebe or Annandale deaths great losses for the sport? Answer because basically nobody is alive that cared about them anymore and the Bears and Newtown are going the same way.

There are families of bears fans disenfranchised and the ones i know have mostly switched to the thwannies or given up entirely

Glebe and Annandale? What year is this and how do you know they families of these clubs fans did change? Could be the bulk of waratahs fans by now

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Amazingly innept grasp of cultural reality! Do you realise that all the Sydney clubs have immense external support outside of Sydney. I know for a fact that Newcastle were waiting decades to enter the Sydney competition due to such support. You have not factored in that the mass tv appeal of the code thru the Sydney competition is the fundamental basis for the NRL having credibility and mass popularity . You rid the NRL of clubs like North Sydney and you rid a whole locality of fans (plus external located fans)and a business sector as has been witnessed. The Bears are just one current example. Wonder how many fans have been lost due to the mergers!

Yeh, this is bullshit...

These areas didnt originally want to join the NSWRL, they were all pretty attached to their comp heritage and they probably though the sport would suffer if these local rivalries were removed. They only joined in the end, because of the economic realities; players NSWRL clubs were too wealthy to compete with.

After these united clubs were introduced though, people fell in love.

But Sydney obviously is the one exception to this trend. Not for any reason, of course, just because it is convenient to say it is.........

 

[Stallion]

Yeh, this is bullshit...

These areas didnt originally want to join the NSWRL, they were all pretty attached to their comp heritage and they probably though the sport would suffer if these local rivalries were removed. They only joined in the end, because of the economic realities; players NSWRL clubs were too wealthy to compete with.

After these united clubs were introduced though, people fell in love.

But Sydney obviously is the one exception to this trend. Not for any reason, of course, just because it is convenient to say it is.........

? Not sure what you are discussing!?Perhaps It's a rant of somebody with no clue? Not sure? Im thinking after my second read that you are critical or criticising the rivalries that exist in the Sydney RL clubs? Asserting that the rivalries and support don't exist?

 

[Perth Red]

Only super league club fans want the sydney clubs culled

They shouldn't even be allowed to compete,let alone try to order real clubs to f**k off

Ah SL, our very own version of Godwin’s law!

 

[Perth Red]

The multiple factors are: longstanding fan loyalty, established rivalries, Australias largest populated city, Australias largest city tv audience, Australias longest running rugby league competition, many of Australias most widely recognized and identifiable football clubs, the credibility of the competition, the respect and general regard of this competition, the negative message to neutral sports fans when such clubs are gone, the negative message to current genuine fans of the code, the negative sentiment from the business community as they see a code in decline in the biggest city in Australia, the gifting of new fans to other football codes in Sydney , the loss of sponsors to other codes, the drop in junior numbers in Sydney and the reduced relevance of the code in Australias largest city. I'm sure ive missed a number of other 'multiple factors ' but thats a start!

And yet with a third less Sydney clubs the game has more revenue, more tv viewers and more fans attending in this period than pre Sydney cull, go figure!