Todd Greenberg has got to go!

[no name]

none of this is good. He put himself in this position not the nrl. The nrl has a broader agenda protecting its image in a competitive market.
I have no sympathy for a bloke on this money finding himself in court on rape charges because he went on a night on the piss in Wollongong.

It’s not about sympathy.
It’s about following the process to ensure correct decisions are made.
Knee jerk reactions like this have the potential to damage the brand later on if De Belin happens to be found not guilty.

 

[Shark62]

It’s not about sympathy.
It’s about following the process to ensure correct decisions are made.
Knee jerk reactions like this have the potential to damage the brand later on if De Belin happens to be found not guilty.

As compared to the brand damage to the great game of rugby league having a man accused of a heinous crime on the field week after week with a trial pending?
Ffs let’s remember these blokes are given comprehensive information on how not to end up in this mess.
Put the blame where it belongs. A fully informed highly paid adult making really stupid decisions and now on a full wage while he awaits trial. Poor schookums!
Yeah let’s blame the NRL for giving sponsors and fans some hope our game deserves better than that.
Poor Jack!

 

[Vee]

What if Jack for instance doesn’t have a contract for next year, and is 100% innocent and later proven that in court but 2 years later?

What if he is guilty as hell and drags our game down to his level for the next two years?

 

[no name]

As compared to the brand damage to the great game of rugby league having a man accused of a heinous crime on the field week after week with a trial pending?
Ffs let’s remember these blokes are given comprehensive information on how not to end up in this mess.
Put the blame where it belongs. A fully informed highly paid adult making really stupid decisions and now on a full wage while he awaits trial. Poor schookums!
Yeah let’s blame the NRL for giving sponsors and fans some hope our game deserves better than that.
Poor Jack!

I’m not comparing what damage to the brand either situation brings. They both cause damage.
I’m not blaming the NRL for anything.
They have been put in very tricky situations by players for a long time.
I also don’t feel sorry for De Belin, at this stage, I don’t have any emotion towards him or the situation he finds himself in, I feel that he needs to go through the justice system before the NRL make a decision on his eligibility to play.

You obviously disagree, and that’s fine.

 

[Perth Red]

What if Jack for instance doesn’t have a contract for next year, and is 100% innocent and later proven that in court but 2 years later?

That would be sad for him but the game is bigger than any one player. I’d only have this for the most serious crimes but you can’t have players accused of serious crimes running around tainting the games brand.

 

[Tiger5150]

This is a mess at the moment but it has been the NRL that has made it a mess. None of this is necessary, it has been at the NRL's making. All they needed to do is state that it is a very serious allegation but JDB has the right to a presumption of innocence like any other citizen, We are ensuring the girl who has made the allegations is supported....."

I understand that the NRL is in a position NOW that it has to "protect it's brand" but one of the main reasons that it has gotten to such a disgraceful state is that the NRL has INTENTIONALLY brought this digrace on itself by welcoming back with open arms people like Matt Lodge, Kirisome Auva, AFB etc. THAT is the standard it has set and by doing so has already smeared itself.

 

[Perth Red]

This is a mess at the moment but it has been the NRL that has made it a mess. None of this is necessary, it has been at the NRL's making. All they needed to do is state that it is a very serious allegation but JDB has the right to a presumption of innocence like any other citizen, We are ensuring the girl who has made the allegations is supported....."

I understand that the NRL is in a position NOW that it has to "protect it's brand" but one of the main reasons that it has gotten to such a disgraceful state is that the NRL has INTENTIONALLY brought this digrace on itself by welcoming back with open arms people like Matt Lodge, Kirisome Auva, AFB etc. THAT is the standard it has set and by doing so has already smeared itself.

No the main reason is time after time after time the players have dragged the games name into the gutter. and It finally got to the point where the NRL had to put the game before the player. Its been a long time coming, some would say too long, but it finally got to the tipping point where the NRL felt it had no choice.If players dont like it they need to take a good hard look in the mirror as to why it is has got to this point.

 

[Diesel]

Todd damaged the game when he allowed Lodge to play

 

[taipan]

It's the players that put themselves in these positions, not the administration.They get counselling time and time again over the years, on how to behave in public, what is required of them, and the result in bringing the game down.

The Storm owner Campbell who puts a lot of loot into his team, spelt out the financial effect every time a player finds himself in a situation.The clubs CEOs have estimated their potential and current sponsorship losses have been around $15m.That money (some of which)that could also go into grassroots is not going to eventuate.

Greenberg at times makes mistakes,but to blame the NRL because they gave people 2nd chances, when legal issues could arise (on a restraint of trade),is a bit rich.

My club has put up with idiots at times, no names.Neither Greenberg,Gallop,Smith,or any NRL admin operating ,was to blame for player stupidity.

Do these idiots assist in boosting junior participation numbers by their acts?

 

[AnonymousLurker]

I would say the NRL Actions rather than a NRL player with a court date pending playing is harming the brand. Forget about growth they are in danger of loosing rusted on fans .

I tell you what there are more followers disenhearted and over the game due to NRL actions due to the following
- Inglis character reference
- sharks light punishment for peptides and salary cap cheating
- the Inglis salary cap exemption will have fans fuming
- the salary cap inequalities with the obvious rorts in salary cap and select persuit of clubs ie Andrew Gee
- Matt lodge allowed to return to game
- every time Peter Beattie opens his mouth

the very big one is the dictating of policy by news limited journos. Case in point Notice how they wanted something done re jack debellin and now that’s it’s in the courts and his case against the NRL seems solid they are attacking no fault rule. These same journos from swaying public opinion to get jacks blood will turn it to he was harshly dealt with and let him play

 

[The Marshall]

 

[franklin2323]

Todd damaged the game when he allowed Lodge to play

This. Actual convicted players should be never to play again. That will do more for the brand then standing down those BEFORE convicted

 

[franklin2323]

It's the players that put themselves in these positions, not the administration.They get counselling time and time again over the years, on how to behave in public, what is required of them, and the result in bringing the game down.

The Storm owner Campbell who puts a lot of loot into his team, spelt out the financial effect every time a player finds himself in a situation.The clubs CEOs have estimated their potential and current sponsorship losses have been around $15m.That money (some of which)that could also go into grassroots is not going to eventuate.

Greenberg at times makes mistakes,but to blame the NRL because they gave people 2nd chances, when legal issues could arise (on a restraint of trade),is a bit rich.

My club has put up with idiots at times, no names.Neither Greenberg,Gallop,Smith,or any NRL admin operating ,was to blame for player stupidity.

Do these idiots assist in boosting junior participation numbers by their acts?

Those found guilty shouldn't be in the game those that aren't should be

As for Campbell...I am sure his banker mates have been in the same position as JDB and kept their job while it played out in court

 

[Shark62]

This. Actual convicted players should be never to play again. That will do more for the brand then standing down those BEFORE convicted

You can do both you know. Especially if a player is accused of a serious crime. In this case it’s rape. They’ve stood him down on full pay.
I can’t imagine too many organisations with the profile of the NRL allowing one of their most known employees mingling with kids and female staff and plying their trade on behalf of that organisation when accused of rape.
Standing them down makes perfect sense.

 

[Shark62]

Those found guilty shouldn't be in the game those that aren't should be

As for Campbell...I am sure his banker mates have been in the same position as JDB and kept their job while it played out in court

Which of Campbell’s mates were accused of rape?

 

[Perth Red]

This. Actual convicted players should be never to play again. That will do more for the brand then standing down those BEFORE convicted

Dont think anyone disagrees, but dont compound a mistake by making another one. Maybe Todd learnt something from his Lodge decision?

 

[taipan]

Those found guilty shouldn't be in the game those that aren't should be

As for Campbell...I am sure his banker mates have been in the same position as JDB and kept their job while it played out in court

Agree completely with the first line.

Depends IMO on the severity of the charge.
If one has a sex assault charge laid ,they are in fact stood down in many cases.
Or they stood down voluntarily.
Didn't sight Hooper on Fox whilst awaiting his time in court, and that was a less serious charge.
Police are stood down awaiting their own cases to be heard.As are lawyers.As are tennis ,swimming coaches.

Sport may be classified differently, but the bad publicity remains.Whether found guilty or not ,fans can be downright upset at times on players whilst the air has not been cleared.

 

[mave]

I can see both sides of the coin re whether players should be stood down or not by the Greenburg rule.

The biggest issue I have is that Greenberg brought it in retrospectivelty to include the cases of DeBelin and Walker, because it was the "off season from hell".
A line in the sand needed to be drawn for all issues, going foward, not including ones going backwards.

 

[franklin2323]

Dont think anyone disagrees, but dont compound a mistake by making another one. Maybe Todd learnt something from his Lodge decision?

Maybe so but it isn't a good look imo...

Charged with a crime can't play
Actually guilty and fine to go.

How does it change the image?

I get what the NRL is trying to do but it is the wrong way around

 

[franklin2323]

Agree completely with the first line.

Depends IMO on the severity of the charge.
If one has a sex assault charge laid ,they are in fact stood down in many cases.
Or they stood down voluntarily.
Didn't sight Hooper on Fox whilst awaiting his time in court, and that was a less serious charge.
Police are stood down awaiting their own cases to be heard.As are lawyers.As are tennis ,swimming coaches.

Sport may be classified differently, but the bad publicity remains.Whether found guilty or not ,fans can be downright upset at times on players whilst the air has not been cleared.

Of course. Scott Bolton is probably borderline

Fonua-Blake, Tetevano bashed their women. Lodge we know. Packer we know. Ferguson we know

Yet all are deemed good enough to take the field and someone who so is just guilty of being a pig to his pregant wife isn't... It isn't a good look