Todd Greenberg has got to go!

[Shark62]

Don't know how JDB let's himself get into that situation and actually thinks it's a good idea. His partner at home expecting their first child and he's out clubbing and decides him and his cousin take an intoxicated female back to his cousins place. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

If this knee jerk reaction from the league stops these idiots from putting themselves into these stupid situations then its a win.
And I don't know why Greenberg is the one copping it here. I thought this new rule was introduced by the Commission, not Greenberg.

Spot on mate. JDB and all of his fellow players are given endless hours of education and advice on how to avoid these situations.
The NRL has had enough of these overpaid clowns bringing the game down.

 

[Spot On]

Yeah, I've not read that TV ratings are up.

Anyone have a link to the numbers?

 

[franklin2323]

Tv ratings are flat actually.
And the level of sponsorship and good will media stories our major competitor is getting from its women’s Comp leaves us for dead.
And whether the afl pays hush money or not is irrelevant. You are yelling at a cloud. Perception is everything and JDB running around on weekends will hurt the image of the game enormously.
I gave no sympathy at all for him.

We all know that code gets friendly press. Imagine if Greenberg said he is fine with hush money being paid. Or a team admitted to losing games on purpose

What would the perception be if JDB is found not guilty.. Especially after being stood down for over a year. Missing out on rep jerseys?

 

[Shark62]

Yeah, I've not read that TV ratings are up.
Anyone have a link to the numbers?

My understanding is that ours are flat and that, initially, the afls were up after some strategic decisions about Thursday and Friday match ups. Last weekend the afl had a big drop.

 

[Shark62]

We all know that code gets friendly press. Imagine if Greenberg said he is fine with hush money being paid. Or a team admitted to losing games on purpose

What would the perception be if JDB is found not guilty.. Especially after being stood down for over a year. Missing out on rep jerseys?

The afl gets friendly press because it plays the press well. There is no point complaining about that. The off season from hell wasnt the fault of the press. It was numbskulls like JDB who gave them all the material they needed.

 

[Shark62]

Yeah, I've not read that TV ratings are up.

Anyone have a link to the numbers?

http://www.footyindustry.com/?p=4706
Not totally reliable but better than nothing

 

[franklin2323]

The afl gets friendly press because it plays the press well. There is no point complaining about that. The off season from hell wasnt the fault of the press. It was numbskulls like JDB who gave them all the material they needed.

Well what did Bulldogs do wrong in their mad Monday? Or Napa? So it was a bit of both.

NRL needs to be on the front foot and not just react to everytime something is blown out of nothing and actual act properly when crimes are committed.

 

[Shark62]

Well what did Bulldogs do wrong in their mad Monday? Or Napa? So it was a bit of both.

NRL needs to be on the front foot and not just react to everytime something is blown out of nothing and actual act properly when crimes are committed.

Plenty more happened than that.
The NRL has a massive image problem. The players keep giving the media material.
The nrl can’t get on the front foot when it’s always in damage control.
The players have to take responsibility for this.

 

[avocado]

But seriously,If you believe that these off field allegations have less effect than admin decisions ,then speak to the mothers in the community.And perhaps some D/Os.

You speak to the mothers. Junior RL in my town is thriving.

I’ll speak to the grassroots, long term supporters that have had a gutful of the way this sport is run and have simply walked away.

 

[Shark62]

You speak to the mothers. Junior RL in my town is thriving.

I’ll speak to the grassroots, long term supporters that have had a gutful of the way this sport is run and have simply walked away.

So the junior league is thriving while people walk away! Not easy!

 

[avocado]

So the junior league is thriving while people walk away! Not easy!

I said ...

Long term supporters are turning away from following the sport. No evidence locally of this affecting junior participation.

 

[gerg]

We all know that code gets friendly press. Imagine if Greenberg said he is fine with hush money being paid. Or a team admitted to losing games on purpose

What would the perception be if JDB is found not guilty.. Especially after being stood down for over a year. Missing out on rep jerseys?

His name is mud for the rest of his career, regardless of the outcome of the trial and that has absolutely nothing to do with how the NRL has responded, and everything to do with his own actions. People seem to have very short memories. The public sentiment during the off season was... when is the NRL going to do something about the way the players are behaving off the field?

 

[Diesel]

Oh wow. Just read Todd’s evidence:
“I'm a father of a daughter who plays regularly touch football," he told the court.

"And a number of her friends have shared with me decisions they've made about the conduct of the players and why they won't participate in the sport."

Girls won’t play touch football because of the conduct of NRL players? I can understand people not going to NRL games, but to not play with your friends in a touch footy comp? What a load of crap. Absolute nonsense. Embarrassing.

Out of interest, what age is Toddy’s daughters? Primary or high school age?

 

[Shark62]

I said ...

Long term supporters are turning away from following the sport. No evidence locally of this affecting junior participation.

That’s good news then. We want new blood supporting the game. The cranky old whingers can move on!

 

[Eion]

Out of interest, what age is Toddy’s daughters? Primary or high school age?

I think they’re a bit older, maybe even left school....you know....when a lot of kids stop playing touch anyway.

 

[taipan]

I think there is too many redemption stories in RL... IF JDB is found guilty he should never play the game again.

When Greenberg was at Bulldogs IF Barba wasn't swept under the carpet. He doesn't re offend and NRL is kept out of the press.

So AFL players are angels are they? Should RL pay hush money or let the courts handle it?

I've never stated otherwise about redemption stories.I've never backed Greenberg at Canterbury.There is conflicting reports on what happened there .
And Packer is the classic example.
But there are stories of repeat offenders
And one off season ,the like of which we've never seen before.Created the current head office decision.

Did I say AFL players are angels,I've bagged them often in the fight club.And I've certainly bagged the AFL admin for using hush money there.
When they've had such a sh*t of an off season as we've had, then we can compare.

 

[Diesel]

I think they’re a bit older, maybe even left school....you know....when a lot of kids stop playing touch anyway.

So they’re of the generation that is offended about everything

 

[Timmah]

Based on the evidence thus far in this case it's very difficult to see how Greenberg survives. Due diligence appears to have been ignored in some mad rush (despite them having half an off-season to organise it).

 

[Eion]

So they’re of the generation that is offended about everything

What gets me is Todd is the one stating that girls are turning away from participating in touch league. And he’s using that as part of the justification for the sanction on JDB.

He may even be right... I don’t know.... but his comments reek of someone who doesn’t have the first clue if it’s true or not. I expect more than a one team canvas of his daughters f**king touch team that’s for sure.

 

[taipan]

TV ratings are up. NRL club memberships are up. Women playing are up...So where are these people leaving the game?

It needs to be sorted but zero tolerance on all convicted players has more of an affect then this will. IF JDB is found not guilty it puts more bad press on NRL anyway. Better to deal with it after the courts do

TV ratings are up on Fox not FTA and NRL memberships are up about 3% so far.Major Sydney teams' form like Souths/Dragons/Eels/Tigers is helping TV but not the crowds as yet.
I'm well aware of that fact.
But crowds today are not up as I understand, and I'll wait til Easter is over.If crowds remain static or drop and memberships are up 3%.Then that hardly something to be screaming about.

The female base was initially very small, and touch ,tag is also helping, and I know there are females now playing tackle.One wonders how many more if we didn't have the off season crap.
I have yet to see you bag players ,for getting themselves or carrying on like loons off season.
You think Barba's CCT footage inspired women to get involved.Or Lodge in New York.

People out there read it and see the stories in all forms of the media.If the AFL pays hush money, then it will come back to bite them eventually and I mean a hit of PR disaster proportions.That's their risky choice.
I wouldn't want my code to pay hush money.That's a cop out full stop.


Yep, if JDB is found not guilty then it does put bad press on the admin and back on Greenberg.
Conversely if he continues to play and he is found guilty, after say two years you think the NRL's image will be enhanced?
He is presumed innocent until the court reaches a decision ,that's what the belated stand down clause states.

I still get back to the fact, if this situation was a one off in the off season,IMO there would be no stand down clause.Trouble is I have no idea what should be in its place.

The question is who is more important ,one player who brings the game into disrepute or the other 300 plus players, admin and fans who don't.?