Todd Greenberg has got to go!

[franklin2323]

LOL @franklin2323

Agree with me "compare after the next 2 weeks"

Then one post later "crowds are down"

Make up your mind

Haha. Should of been if the crowds are down look at weather too.

 

[mave]

They arent, they are acting on a player being CHARGED with a very serious crime.

Did Brett Stewart and SKD get CHARGED with a serious crime?

 

[avocado]

Based on the evidence thus far in this case it's very difficult to see how Greenberg survives. Due diligence appears to have been ignored in some mad rush (despite them having half an off-season to organise it).

Timmah this is refreshing to read lol. For a while I thought you were actually Todd.

 

[franklin2323]

Mate seriously? We have never had to my knowledge an off season like last.It was getting to the stage ,if it kept going, whether to just watch on TV or be as in the past a member.
And I;ve been following this great game for yonks.

2013-

Reigning Dally M medalist. Ben Barba put in rehab after a rampage at season launch (Later found to of punched a woman)

NSW and Aust winger Ferguson accused and found guilty of indecent assault

Later that same year NZ test player Packer beat some guy up.

That is far worse then a few lower graders acting like dicks on the booze. Which aside from JDB is what it was.

So the drama is always there. Some years is worse then others granted

 

[avocado]

A little OT but the guy that killed the doctor with the one punch has got 10 years.
Yet if guilty DeBellin faces 11+?

Seems all wrong to me.

 

[gerg]

It cannot be proven or disputed but maybe the crowds and membership hasn't fallen because of the NRL's tougj stance. Maybe if DeBelin is reinstated we'll get to see first hand if it affects numbers.

 

[age.s]

A little OT but the guy that killed the doctor with the one punch has got 10 years.
Yet if guilty DeBellin faces 11+?

Seems all wrong to me.

11+ years seems fine for rape. It's a heinous crime.

 

[taipan]

2013-

Reigning Dally M medalist. Ben Barba put in rehab after a rampage at season launch (Later found to of punched a woman)

NSW and Aust winger Ferguson accused and found guilty of indecent assault

Later that same year NZ test player Packer beat some guy up.

That is far worse then a few lower graders acting like dicks on the booze. Which aside from JDB is what it was.

So the drama is always there. Some years is worse then others granted

Barba like Carney had too many chances in the past.They should have been flicked ages ago, or at least til after the Sharks won the 2016 Big One. LOL.

Yeah always has had a drama or two.I could give you stories in the past that never made it in the ,media.There will always be a player who will get a DUI whatever.

"Some years" ,mate this last off season was diabolical, and look at the numbers charged.From the Dogs dropping their gear in a pub to the guys carrying on some with serious charges laid.

We can deflect .blame the admin and Commission at times, but they are not the ones out on the p*ss doing things and sponsors ringing up asking WTF is going on, or having friends and my daughters saying it's gone off the rails.The players are too blame mate, the players.
They are told time and time again to act responsibly, disrepute clause is in their contract ,who more can one do?

 

[Surely]

They arent, they are acting on a player being CHARGED with a very serious crime.

Which until the court case is an unproven allegation

 

[franklin2323]

11+ years seems fine for rape. It's a heinous crime.

It is but rarely does it get that sadly

 

[AnonymousLurker]

No its not. Many many jobs would stand you down in this scenario on full pay. I am sure mine would. Sucks for the player but A) dont get into those situations and B) lay the blame for this response at the other dckhead colleagues who have forced the NRL's hand.
NRL has to look after the game, that its is first responsibility. Its not just a game, its a $billion business with strong a community presence that is its customer lifeline.

But the NRL is not looking after the game for women or even cares about it when it Will employ a player who was given a diversion or

The alternative then is to let them play, with a decision hanging over their head, copping it from fans big time, women from clubs they are playing against saying they aren't going to watch them.

There is a difference ,with people who are involved with sport and have to create some sort of image for young ones.
The code with a stack of these allegations ,(not just one on the offseason) ,had to do something.Doing nothing and there would be a big walkaway from the game.
Women's groups were in meltdown over what occurred in the offseason.I have daughters champ,and I know their reaction.Mothers saying the head office too scared to show some courage.

If it was an isolated incident, with the JDB case, then fair enough, then the code has to explain why they continued to let him play.

The thing that gets me, it's all the admin's fault, nothing to do with guys who put themselves into a situation.
If a lawyer,doctor,dentist,entertainer,sports coach, clergyman, banker is charged they are stood down.They are all part of society.

Regardless of the result expected next week, either way :
If the NRL loses at least they can say well we did what we thought best for the game and the women who follow it.It means now if a player is in the same position we can't stand him down,because the law says so.Women's groups would then understand the reason.
If the NRL wins their decision is justified.

My position is, if players don't get the message now they never will, and the knockers calling them thugs will be justified in doing so.

But was has he done wrong , at this stage it's allegations and if not guilty all he has done is have a threesome and that

Now if a threesome is so damaging to the game and brings it to disrepute why would you accept players to be interviewed and go on a show by someone that had there own group sex experience .

 

[AnonymousLurker]

if this was all fair dinkum and about sponsorship and not try to stop news limited press he wouldn’t entertain the idea of Folau
https://www.nospam47.com/au/league/...tie-rugby-australia/32aomb2ax0701ukalnxgdviyr

The LGBT lobby is big in this country now and sponsors would walk away (case in point QANTAS threatening union) and this I would guarantee cause more damage to the game then debellin could ever do . Seems the game was lucky for once that Beattie shot his mouth quickly as usual

 

[avocado]

11+ years seems fine for rape. It's a heinous crime.

100% agree but getting less for killing someone seems wrong.

 

[Perth Red]

Did Brett Stewart and SKD get CHARGED with a serious crime?

The policy is to be charged and it carry an 11year jail term or longer. You cant change the past. Neither of them would be stood down today.

 

[Perth Red]

Which until the court case is an unproven allegation

But they arent acting any old unproven allegation. They are acting on a player being CHARGED with a very serious crime. There is a world of difference.

 

[Timmah]

Timmah this is refreshing to read lol. For a while I thought you were actually Todd.

I think it's a bit sad that's the reaction to my post tbh.

Assumptions someone is automatically a sycophant because of their views on particular issues rather than taking opinions on individual issues at face value is part of the reason public discourse has become so incredibly shit in recent times.

In this case, I think Greenberg's evidence (that's been reported anyway) casts him in a very poor light. I'm fine with the stand-down rule itself and think it's the right way forward, but the way he's defended it in court has brought the NRL itself into disrepute.

 

[Perth Red]

I think it's a bit sad that's the reaction to my post tbh.

Assumptions someone is automatically a sycophant because of their views on particular issues rather than taking opinions on individual issues at face value is part of the reason public discourse has become so incredibly shit in recent times.

In this case, I think Greenberg's evidence (that's been reported anyway) casts him in a very poor light. I'm fine with the stand-down rule itself and think it's the right way forward, but the way he's defended it in court has brought the NRL itself into disrepute.

Need to be careful what we base those judgements on, apparently he was on the stand for a few hours of testimony as well as a couple behind closed doors. I'm pretty sure the case doesn't rest on his daughters friends anecdotal story. If that is an example of how he is seeing the public react then its a fair comment to throw in, as long a it is just a small part of the evidence presented.

No doubt the scum media jumped on it as they knew the reaction it would draw. Wheres the commentary on the other hours of evidence given?

 

[Perth Red]

Need to be careful what we base those judgements on, apparently he was on the stand for a few hours of testimony as well as a couple behind closed doors. I'm pretty sure the case doesn't rest on his daughters friends anecdotal story. If that is an example of how he is seeing the public react then its a fair comment to throw in, as long a it is just a small part of the evidence presented.

No doubt the scum media jumped on it as they knew the reaction it would draw. Wheres the commentary on the other hours of evidence given?

ps no shame in being a Toddy groupie Timmah!

 

[Timmah]

A little OT but the guy that killed the doctor with the one punch has got 10 years.
Yet if guilty DeBellin faces 11+?

Seems all wrong to me.

A bit of background - it's not as simple as this.

Two completely different things in play here - not least of which you're comparing a sentence which has been given by the court, with what potential sentence is available in the case of de Belin being found guilty of the charge he has before the court.

It's worth noting:

• You're comparing NSW to Victoria - two different jurisdictions
• Esmalli's conviction was for manslaughter (not murder), which carries a shorter maximum jail term (max. 20 years Vic, 25 years in NSW) than aggravated sexual assault in company (max. 25 years Victoria, life in NSW)
• Being guilty of manslaughter, his sentence was issued with the overlaying legislation regarding one-punch laws in Victoria, which mandate a minimum 10 year non-parole period. His sentence was 10y 6m.
• For your de Belin query - 11+ is merely the NRL's no fault stand-down threshold. He faces anywhere up to life imprisonment if found guilty, based on NSW sentencing laws.

The sticking point with Esmalli's not being worse is that manslaughter is generally considered a lesser charge than rape in sentencing law.

 

[Timmah]

Need to be careful what we base those judgements on, apparently he was on the stand for a few hours of testimony as well as a couple behind closed doors. I'm pretty sure the case doesn't rest on his daughters friends anecdotal story. If that is an example of how he is seeing the public react then its a fair comment to throw in, as long a it is just a small part of the evidence presented.

No doubt the scum media jumped on it as they knew the reaction it would draw. Wheres the commentary on the other hours of evidence given?

That's a really fair point - and comes back to a similar concept to Pell. Lots of people were dismissive of the evidence upon which he was convicted and suggested it unreliable, despite the full brief of evidence being sealed.