Top ten things Rugby owes to league

[Squatdog]

If you read 7 - clearly it has nothing to do with international competition and is a sole reference to club competitions. Unless you think the Ranfurly shield is within coohey of the NRL/ARL/NSWRL? League had the ideas first and Union came merrily along later.

How is league not responsible for professional rugby?

Having an actual structured competition wasn't unique to League and would have been implemented regardless. Auckland club Rugby has had the Gallagher Shield championship since at least 1922.

Union resisted professionalism for over 100 years. I guess you could say the threat of Superleague was the impetus that finally convinced the boring old farts of the IRB that they needed to turn pro for the good of the sport.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

f**king Union trolls.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I never stated that. Paste it. SHow me. You cannot. Why? Because I never said it. Dumb Dumb, you're not fooling anyone with lies. I said one season when Parra won the comp Cronin's goal kicking for the year was 45%. Christ his 1986 goal kicking is a massive 50% according to stats.rleague.com...

Stats don't always tell the whole story do they?

Rugby League fans who were fans in 1986 know that Cronin nearly lost the sight in one eye and he only played from round 20 onwards.

For a toe-poker who kicked with leather balls and no kicking tee on grounds with sweet f**k all drainage (Ever see a game at Cumberland Oval during Winter?), he was a pretty good kicker.

Which one of the Union clips you posted is a bloke kicking with a leather ball and no tee?

I'd look but I'm scared I might catch whatever you have...

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Having an actual structured competition wasn't unique to League and would have been implemented regardless. Auckland club Rugby has had the Gallagher Shield championship since at least 1922.

Union resisted professionalism for over 100 years. I guess you could say the threat of Superleague was the impetus that finally convinced the boring old farts of the IRB that they needed to turn pro for the good of the sport.

Just ignore the two posters who asked you why you said "no" to point 9.

There's a good punt monkey.

 

[Squatdog]

Just ignore the two posters who asked you why you said "no" to point 9.

The obvious reason is this:

Rugby League only existed in France for SIX YEARS (the competition was founded in 1934) and wasn't even remotely on the same level as Union until 1939 when a number of clubs switched codes, a year before the Vichy regime.

As for the turning over of League assets to Rugby, so what? Nearly all of them belonged to Union seven years earlier and if League was REALLY that popular, they would have had no problem surpassing a rival sport that could be regarded as a collaborationist stooge.

What the article claimed was a load of sh*t.

 

[Squatdog]

...and LOL@"Union's amateur ethos appealed to the Nazis' view of sport puritY".

I'm really sure the Nazis cared about a local sport played in the semi-autonomous state of Vichy France.

Whoever wrote that article is a moron.

 

[Flapper]

No comment about the actual banning of League I notice. All for that I take it Squatdog?

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

The obvious reason is this:

Rugby League only existed in France for SIX YEARS (the competition was founded in 1934) and wasn't even remotely on the same level as Union until 1939 when a number of clubs switched codes, a year before the Vichy regime.

As for the turning over of League assets to Rugby, so what? Nearly all of them belonged to Union seven years earlier and if League was REALLY that popular, they would have had no problem surpassing a rival sport that could be regarded as a collaborationist stooge.

What the article claimed was a load of sh*t.

lol @ so what. FFS, at least try to hide the fact that you're a Union troll.

They didn't belong to Union when they were seized, did they?

Face facts, you follow a code that got in bed with the Nazis and the Apartheid regime in South Africa.

Filth.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

The obvious reason is this:

Rugby League only existed in France for SIX YEARS (the competition was founded in 1934) and wasn't even remotely on the same level as Union until 1939 when a number of clubs switched codes, a year before the Vichy regime.

Read this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/badge-of-dishonour-french-rugbys-shameful-secret-401557.html
and maybe read The Forbidden Game: The Untold Story of French Rugby League
League was stomping all over Union in France, even though it had only been going for SIX YEARS. Union collaborated with the nazis to stop its ascendency.

As for the turning over of League assets to Rugby, so what? Nearly all of them belonged to Union seven years earlier.

No they didn't dopedog. They belonged to the clubs who voluntarily decided to play league over Union. The French Rugby Union STOLE all of these clubs assets and banned the game.

and if League was REALLY that popular, they would have had no problem surpassing a rival sport that could be regarded as a collaborationist stooge.
What the article claimed was a load of sh*t .

These were the Nazis, not the three stooges. They killed people just because they could. War time France wasn't Hogan's heroes, war time France was Nazi's and collaborators killing anyone who even lived in the same village as a member of the French partisans. They banned the game, when the nazi's banned something doing the opposite meant a trip to a concentration camp, torture and death, not a wrap around the knuckles and a hug.

 

[Squatdog]

No comment about the actual banning of League I notice. All for that I take it Squatdog?

Once again, if League was REALLY that popular, they would have had no trouble re-establishing themselves as the premier code, while Union was regarded as a Vichy institution.

League was stomping all over Union in France, even though it had only been going for SIX YEARS. Union collaborated with the nazis to stop its ascendency.

After six years League was BEGINNING to achieve parity with Union after the defection of the Brive, Narbonne and Carcassonne clubs.

Exaggerate much?

These were the Nazis, not the three stooges. They killed people just because they could. War time France wasn't Hogan's heroes, war time France was Nazi's and collaborators killing anyone who even lived in the same village as a member of the French partisans. They banned the game, when the nazi's banned something doing the opposite meant a trip to a concentration camp, torture and death, not a wrap around the knuckles and a hug.

LMFAO!!!!!

Where does it say the Nazis banned League, other than the geniused article the OP posted?

Helpful hint: Google Vichy France

 

[Squatdog]

I'll probably have to spell this out for you:

Vichy France WASN'T OCCUPIED by Nazi Germany until 1942!









LMAO@the Nazis banning League...Jesus Christ.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Once again, if League was REALLY that popular, they would have had no trouble re-establishing themselves as the premier code as Union was regarded as a Vichy institution.




After six years League was BEGINNING to achieve parity with Union after the defection of the Brive, Narbonne and Carcassonne clubs.

Exaggerate much?




LMFAO!!!!!

Where does it say the Nazis banned League, other than the geniused article the OP posted?

Helpful hint: Google Vichy France

You geniused gimp. Vichy France was a puppet state of the Nazis. The nazis ran the whole of France, both Vichy and non Vichy regions.
Again, how could they reestablish themselves - it was a war, France was fighting for its life and freedom against a brutal regime that killed anyone that opposed it. This was world war II, gestapo, SS, Hitler and Himmler not f**king happy hour.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Stats don't always tell the whole story do they?

Rugby League fans who were fans in 1986 know that Cronin nearly lost the sight in one eye and he only played from round 20 onwards.

For a toe-poker who kicked with leather balls and no kicking tee on grounds with sweet f**k all drainage (Ever see a game at Cumberland Oval during Winter?), he was a pretty good kicker.

Which one of the Union clips you posted is a bloke kicking with a leather ball and no tee?

I'd look but I'm scared I might catch whatever you have...

Stats do mean a helluva lot for goal kicking. Its not the same as comparing cricket batsmen who faced 80's bowlers and todays global mediocrity (bar Steyn). Its why we record them. Ridge came in 1990 with no tee on those same grounds and raised the bar. That bar was already set in union with leather balls on terrible grounds in the 70's and 80's with Fox, Lynagh, and co. All those kicks youtube posted are 30 and 35+ metres out Antichrist. THats my point to shoot down dumb dumb's idiotic statements that round the corner kickers cannot go more than 30 (in one post) and 35 (in another post) metres.

The tee argument is redundant and I have dismissed it previously. It was brought in to save time and did not assist with accuracy to begin with. Halligan, Fox, Porta, Bootha, Hastings, Botica, all the boys on leather balls and sand on non drained grounds kicked accurately and far. John Eales had a massive boot too. You're going backwards AntiChrist. Your assertion has already been discussed and dismissed. I can cut n paste the previous posts if you prefer if you cannot scroll back.

 

[Squatdog]

The nazis ran the whole of France, both Vichy and non Vichy regions.

No they didn't.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Having an actual structured competition wasn't unique to League and would have been implemented regardless. Auckland club Rugby has had the Gallagher Shield championship since at least 1922.

Union resisted professionalism for over 100 years. I guess you could say the threat of Superleague was the impetus that finally convinced the boring old farts of the IRB that they needed to turn pro for the good of the sport.

The Gallagher shield is hardly running in the same quality as the NSWRL now NRL is it? When did the NPC develop? 1976? Cohesively structured in what? 1985? The expansion of the NSWRL to being itnernational was mimicked by what, super 12? C'mon, League has lead the way in competitions and paved the new ground in Australasia first. League had the night games - at all levels - so far ahead of union its just not funny.

Yes I was referring to SuperLeague threat being the impetus.

 

[ANTiLAG]

...and LOL@"Union's amateur ethos appealed to the Nazis' view of sport puritY".

I'm really sure the Nazis cared about a local sport played in the semi-autonomous state of Vichy France.

Whoever wrote that article is a moron.

From a group of people who would gas you for worshipping the same god - but not his son- in a different manner. Yeah - the Nazis couldn't care less about peoples spiritual activities why would they care about recreational ones?

 

[Thomas]

League was crushed and never allowed to recover over the ensuing decades.

Except for the period in the 50's known as the Golden Age of French Rugby League when they made the world cup final and flogged everyone including Australia in Australia.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

No they didn't.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Read this sh*t for brains if your intelligence and comprehension skills allow :
http://www.bonjourlafrance.com/france-history/france-during-world-war-2.htm

Germany occupied France from 1940 onward you boney dope. Three fifths under their direct control and the remainder as a puppet state. The Vichy government was as nazi as Magda Goebbel's left nipple.
And it was this nazi aligned government that banned RL on French rugby union's request.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Except for the period in the 50's known as the Golden Age of French Rugby League when they made the world cup final and flogged everyone including Australia in Australia.

I'm well aware of the Puig Aubert era.

 

[Squatdog]

The Gallagher shield is hardly running in the same quality as the NSWRL now NRL is it?

The Gallagher Shield is a Rugby championship that (in it's original form) most likely predates the NSWRFL Premiership.

It shows that organised competition existed in Union and isn't 'borrowed' from League, even if it's at a lower level.

Yes I was referring to SuperLeague threat being the impetus.

In this case, I agree with you.

But...Union was responding to a direct threat rather than emulating League's example.

From a group of people who would gas you for worshipping the same god - but not his son- in a different manner. Yeah - the Nazis couldn't care less about peoples spiritual activities why would they care about recreational ones?

Once again, the Nazis DIDN'T 'ban League' and only a complete moron would suggest otherwise.

Germany occupied France from 1940 onward you boney dope. Three fifths under their direct control and the remainder as a puppet state. The Vichy government was as nazi as Magda Goebbel's left nipple.
And it was this nazi aligned government that banned RL on French rugby union's request.

Once again, Vichy France WASN'T OCCUPIED until 1942.