Sorry - how does your lack of knowledge about league players assist you in this argument?
Go on, tell me how many games of Rugby League Botica played in the NSWRL.
Wait, I'll do it.
The answer is 5.
You really think I know about everyone who played 5 games in the NSWRL/NRL?
Do you know about them all?
How does missing the whole picture assist you in this argument?
So, an argument on the merits of Mick Cronin as a goalkicker requires the study of every post in this thread?
If you say so....
Why has leg spin bowling never become the norm? Clarrie Grimmet, Warnie even MacGill are so successful. Why is leg spin not the norm in cricket when it turns so much more and more attacking weapon with variation? Because its harder to learn. Because Willie did not pass on his training tips and knowledge he had accumulated. There was no tv analysis of it. Even then the critical thing to learn is where to strike the ball with your foot position. SOmething not really shown on TV. With the knowledge not being disseminated people did not 'know how' to do it. Like everything new. Now round the corner kicking is certainly a lot easier than leg spin bowling - but people still had to learn how to do it. In Union they started learning in the late 70's and by the early 80's it was everywhere. In League - you had to wait another 10+ years when the Union kickers and coaches came in and showed people how to do it. This was all discussed previously.
Yeah, nice analogy, not.
Senior Cricket was played in different cities in Australia, Cronin's whole career in the NSWRL was played primarily on Sydney grounds and nearly 1/2 those games were played at Cumberland Oval.
And you miss again with you "people have to learn to do" it crap. Are you suggesting that it took 40 years to teach players to kick at goal with the instep?
Your earlier post stating "I identify that Willie Horne was the first accurate round the corner kicker. He only played league, and was a superstar in the 1940's. "would suggest you are.
As against the thoery that with the Leather balls and grounds that were in use in the NSWRL at the time, the old toe-poker was just as, if not more, accurate. The fact that they didn't change en-masse to round the corner seems to be detrimental to your argument.
But its not - refer to previous posts. Round the corner accurate kicking started with leather balls on sand on sh)t grounds. It was not more accurate and you do not get greater distance with a 'toe poke' unless you are a novice to round the corner kicking. Round the corner gets better distance and far greater accuracy when you 'know how.'
You keep saying it but you've proved nothing other than that you have little understanding of the conditions senior Rugby League in Sydney was played in prior to 1985.
Tell me, did you ever see a game in Sydney prior to 1985 live?
Thats like saying theres no way an off spinner would make the Australian team after Grimmet or Warnie. Coaches have to work with what they've got. Also - the goal kicker has to actually play the game unlike NFL - so a lemming like Crossan with missed tackles may cost you the game despite great goal kicking. You've missed the point.
There is no point to miss. You completely ignore what you're replying to.
Are you suggesting that coaches wouldn't get their goalkickers taught to kick around the corner in the NSW from 1950-80 odd because it was too hard?
Once again - a coach has to work with what is at his disposal. Now with Stirling, Kenny, Atkins, Cronin, Ella, Grothe, Taylor owning their spots through their field play where exactly was he to put this goal kicker? I guess when Atkins left he could have sourced a gk in 1983 instead of Liddiard playing if there had been some available on the market. Guess there were none available on the market. I mean even in 1991/1992 the market was short - you had to goto union. Even then it was slim picking as to who would cross over. Kinda like decent leg spinners at the moment for cricket Australia. Alternatively, it was one innovation that passed Gibson by.
All talk. you yabber on but commonsense is something you seem to be unfamiliar with.
If Jack Gibson thought he could get even a slight advantage over other teams he would have done it in a heartbeat. Hell, throw in any coach for that matter. They would be remiss in their duty if they didn't based on your thoughts. You seem to be again suggesting that over the course of a career, goalkickers from certain eras weren't able to be taught how to kick a ball around the corner.
Utter bollocks.
By the way, the bloke who actually started the ball rolling in the NSWRL as far as I know was John Gray.
