TPAs revealed!

[The Great Dane]

Looking at those graphs I'd bet you that they are only counting money that has changed hands, thus leaving out a ton of the other third party agreements that go on, like the use of cars for the length of the contract and the such...

 

[carcharias]

On what basis? Results?

Haven't 13 of the 16 clubs won a title since the reunification in 1998?

It's a bit silly to come to such a conclusion based on just one year of data.

It is even sillier to disagree.

Not sure what your point is.

 

[Murishido]

What amazes me is how infatuated we are with this as league fans.

TPAs exist in every sport hell the disparity in the US used to be huge, but we're the only ones with a laser focus on it.

Mind you our administration is utterly incapable of policing the cap because they aren't fond of rational thought or logic. What we've had dogs, storm, raiders, manly, para and the warriors found to have systematically breached the cap. If 37.5% of your teams are committing outright fraud then culture of the league and the system is the problem.

If Greenberg has ever written "administrator" under occupation on an official document we should be able to get him on false declaration as he hasn't administered she-at

 

[The Great Dane]

Haven't these arrangements been around in one form or another even pre-salary cap? You can bet some beer mobs probably topped up players with slabs of piss on the side back in the day.

LOL, that definitely happened back in the day, some guys I knew that just played local footy were getting deals like that from pubs in the hopes of attracting patrons.

 

[Timmah]

It is even sillier to disagree.

Not sure what your point is.

If the "playing field wasn't level" as you claim, we'd have a 60's style scenario where one or two teams would dominate the landscape. As it stands Melbourne have won two premierships this decade, and the other club Brisbane? None.

The "playing field" argument is about on-field competitiveness - if you think the competition isn't tight then you haven't looked at a ladder in recent seasons.

 

[Murishido]

Looking at those graphs I'd bet you that they are only counting money that has changed hands, thus leaving out a ton of the other third party agreements that go on, like the use of cars for length of the contract and the such...

What odds and what amount?

 

[Timmah]

Mind you our administration is utterly incapable of policing the cap because they aren't fond of rational thought or logic. What we've had dogs, storm, raiders, manly, para and the warriors found to have systematically breached the cap. If 37.5% of your teams are committing outright fraud then culture of the league and the system is the problem.

Interesting you preach about rational thought or logic and then engage one of the worst applications of statistics I've ever seen on this forum lol

 

[MilkShark]

Lets be honest here, we don;t need TPA's. 90% of the players in the game are overpaid.

Only a handful of players actually deserve their wages.

 

[carcharias]

If the "playing field wasn't level" as you claim, we'd have a 60's style scenario where one or two teams would dominate the landscape. As it stands Melbourne have won two premierships this decade, and the other club Brisbane? None.

The "playing field" argument is about on-field competitiveness - if you think the competition isn't tight then you haven't looked at a ladder in recent seasons.

Good god

Playing field is not about the actual on feild performance.
Its the entire business.
The way one mob can get another 800k more to their team per year .
That’s not even.


TPA’s make it uneven

The graph clearly shows that
It would be the same for every year too.

 

[Timmah]

Good god

Playing field is not about the actual on feild performance.
Its the entire business.
The way one mob can get another 800k more to their team per year .
That’s not even.


TPA’s make it uneven

The graph clearly shows that
It would be the same for every year too.

The purpose of the salary cap is to ensure on-field playing talent is distributed evenly.

Beyond that, clubs are a business. If your club is better at arranging TPA's or has greater access to them, then good on them.

 

[Perth Red]

None that can be provided, without knowing what a players salary is and who is getting how much in tpa's its all guess work.

It's just a bit hard to believe that Sydney clubs either can't either get tpa's for their players or don't see an advantage.

Slater and Smith are pretty well known in Melbourne but can they be worth so much more than any Sydney player in Sydney?

Slater in particular has a number of national brand marketing contracts. He's one of the few players you actually see in TV adverts around the country. Id suggest much of Melbournes is tied up in his work.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah that's pretty obvious, but Sydney is also supposed to be the Rugby League city, you would think that top tier of Sydney based NRL players would have similar earning potential than what the Melbourne guys do since they play by far the smaller code compared to AFL.

You would expect that the single markets would be doing better but the discrepancy is surprising imo.

Only a couple of players are widely known in Melbourne whereas in Sydney there would an opportunity for more players to have smaller tpa's but that doesn't seem to be balancing out in the numbers.

TBF there is probably only half a dozen NRL players with the national public profile to be offered major marketing contracts. What your talking about is a few grand to open the local car dealership or advertise Jims mowing on WIN for the rest which isn't going to be worth a lot of money.

Thurston, Slater, Smith, S Burgess, Hayne are probably it in terms of 6 figure image value.

 

[some11]

On what basis? Results?

Haven't 13 of the 16 clubs won a title since the reunification in 1998?

It's a bit silly to come to such a conclusion based on just one year of data.

Yeah but I'm outraged and offended.

 

[Pommy]

TBF there is probably only half a dozen NRL players with the national public profile to be offered major marketing contracts. What your talking about is a few grand to open the local car dealership or advertise Jims mowing on WIN for the rest which isn't going to be worth a lot of money.

Thurston, Slater, Smith, S Burgess, Hayne are probably it in terms of 6 figure image value.

Not sure Hayne is getting much money for image value anymore.

 

[Murishido]

Interesting you preach about rational thought or logic and then engage one of the worst applications of statistics I've ever seen on this forum lol

Really have you read other threads on this forum?

I agree it's a little trite but show me another "premier" competition that has had systemic fraud at anything approaching the NRL.

Or do you just do single sentences with no substance?

 

[Murishido]

The purpose of the salary cap is to ensure on-field playing talent is distributed evenly.

Wow.

You hammer me for statistical abuse and then defend a position that is willfully ignorant of multiple decades of research.

 

[TheDMC]

What evidence would you require to be convinced the figures are accurate?

For the roosters, an absolute shite load of evidence. Your roster is fantastic.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

What a shithole
No thanks

 

[Zadar]

Here's a list of the 2018 teams, in order of TPA. In the brackets is where they finished in the regular season.

Melbourne (2nd)
Brisbane (6th)
Nth Queensland (13th)
Souths (3rd)
Penrith (5th)
Cronulla (4th)
NZ (8th)
Easts (1st)

Canberra (10th)
Manly (15th)
Newcastle (11th)
Wests Tigers (9th)
St George/Ill (7th)
Gold Coast (14th)
Canterbury (12th)
Parramatta (16th)

Other than one or two outliers, it's pretty clear that third party deals directly correlates to success. Or vice versa, depending on who you follow.

What that shows is stability, or instability.

The bottom 8 have had many issues, two of those teams are mergers with nobody really happy about it, parra are a proven basket case on and off the field as is manly, Newcastle and titans have had to be bailed out by the Nrl, Canberra is a forgotten team that has no real attraction.

Cronulla have done well with all their issues to be in that top 8, but with these new allegations, they could drop out of favour too.

Most of the top 8 have corporate, location or membership appeal.

 

[carcharias]

Cop that merkin