TPAs revealed!

[dogslife]

Graph doesn’t show uncle Nick’s gambling losses...

 

[Timmah]

Really have you read other threads on this forum?

I agree it's a little trite but show me another "premier" competition that has had systemic fraud at anything approaching the NRL.

Or do you just do single sentences with no substance?

Your post implied that 37% of clubs are actively defrauding the competition right now. You obtained that ridiculous percentage by adding up the indiscretions over what, 2-3 decades, and dividing them by I don't even know what. Each were individual instances in separate years.

I think the most notable thing about the NRL is that the systems are generally in place to catch it, as has happened on all those occasions.

 

[Timmah]

Wow.

You hammer me for statistical abuse and then defend a position that is willfully ignorant of multiple decades of research.

Feel free to post the research you refer to.

My research:

Newcastle 2001
Penrith 2003
Canterbury 2004
Wests Tigers 2005
Brisbane 2006
St Geo Illa 2010
Manly 2011
South Sydney 2014
North Qld 2015
Cronulla 2016
Melbourne 2017
Roosters 2018

12 of 16 clubs having won a premiership since the turn of the century is fairly reasonable evidence that the salary cap has helped distribute the talent relatively evenly.

 

[El Diablo]

Feel free to post the research you refer to.

My research:

Newcastle 2001
Penrith 2003
Canterbury 2004
Wests Tigers 2005
Brisbane 2006
St Geo Illa 2010
Manly 2011
South Sydney 2014
North Qld 2015
Cronulla 2016
Melbourne 2017
Roosters 2018

12 of 16 clubs having won a premiership since the turn of the century is fairly reasonable evidence that the salary cap has helped distribute the talent relatively evenly.

tpa's weren't in for most of those years afaik

 

[Timmah]

tpa's weren't in for most of those years afaik

The salary cap was...

 

[Perth Red]

Not sure Hayne is getting much money for image value anymore.

Yes that plane has def crashed! Maybe a dental floss company will pick him up!

 

[Perth Red]

I think the most notable thing about the NRL is that the systems are generally in place to catch it, as has happened on all those occasions.

Despite massive increases in expenditure in this area have they actually caught anyone? Pretty sure all of the major cases have been due to a whistleblower. They're good at gathering evidence but not sure they are that great at uncovering indiscretions.

 

[Timmah]

Despite massive increases in expenditure in this area have they actually caught anyone? Pretty sure all of the major cases have been due to a whistleblower. They're good at gathering evidence but not sure they are that great at uncovering indiscretions.

"Pretty sure" does anyone bother to make founded claims on here?

 

[Perth Red]

"Pretty sure" does anyone bother to make founded claims on here?

Im pretty sure some do

but if you cant answer my question a quick google shows of the major cases

Storm - whistleblower
Bulldogs - Self reported
Warriors - self reported
Eels - whistleblower
Manly - Self reported
Sharks - self reported

So i guess we can with some confidence substantiate my previous claim that the integrity unit hasn't independently uncovered any major salary cheating case

 

[txta2]

Pretty surprised at the Dogs lowly payments considering they have a fairly large supporter base

 

[siv]

Wonder what Easts are paying inspecter Rooster for ?

200k of 3pas is not worthy of his salary

 

[Danish]

Haven't these arrangements been around in one form or another even pre-salary cap? You can bet some beer mobs probably topped up players with slabs of piss on the side back in the day.

Yep, you had players "working" day jobs all throughout the 70s and 80s. They used to flash them up during the game... wonder how many days those players actually turned up to their bricklayer, garbo, or other supposed professions. Then you go back to the 60s and 50s and realise how many players miraculously ended up moving into houses in favourable areas during the "residency" era.

That doesn't even go into all the money clubs used to have to sink into settling gambling debts/bar tabs for players, or paying for repairs to pubs and clubs after footy trips away.

Rorting the system is a part of the fabric of rugby league.

 

[madunit]

Yep, you had players "working" day jobs all throughout the 70s and 80s. They used to flash them up during the game... wonder how many days those players actually turned up to their bricklayer, garbo, or other supposed professions. Then you go back to the 60s and 50s and realise how many players miraculously ended up moving into houses in favourable areas during the "residency" era.

That doesn't even go into all the money clubs used to have to sink into settling gambling debts/bar tabs for players, or paying for repairs to pubs and clubs after footy trips away.

Rorting the system is a part of the fabric of rugby league.

Not just Rugby League.

Sport

 

[Danish]

Not just Rugby League.

Sport

True indeed

 

[siv]

What i find strange is how $15.4 mil.of 3pas were reported in 2015 but now in 2017-8 we only have $4.2 mil

 

[madunit]

Couldn't give a shit about TPA's tbh.

The cap and TPA's system all works fine.

Need to work on the auditors to make them better.

I've suggested before that all NRL player contracts (including TPA's) should be managed by the NRL.

Auditing of clubs can be done by expert mobs like Deloitte in conjunction with the NRL. Any breaches/fraud/cap cheating should be sent to the police and met with criminal charges and jail time.

 

[madunit]

What i find strange is how $15.4 mil.of 3pas were reported in 2015 but now in 2017-8 we only have $4.2 mil

That's because the salary cap has been raised pretty aggressively. It means less reliance on TPA's

 

[Spot On]

"Pretty sure" does anyone bother to make founded claims on here?

The major cap rorts have not been found by the NRL. Never will be.

 

[Spot On]

Im pretty sure some do

but if you cant answer my question a quick google shows of the major cases

Storm - whistleblower
Bulldogs - Self reported
Warriors - self reported
Eels - whistleblower
Manly - Self reported
Sharks - self reported

So i guess we can with some confidence substantiate my previous claim that the integrity unit hasn't independently uncovered any major salary cheating case

This. Cap auditors have failed to find any major breach over years and years.. And yet, the NRL still flounders their way through the issues, unable to work out a way to improve it.

Dumb as dogshit.

 

[Apey]

Haha the Roosters one is taking the piss right?