TPAs revealed!

[AJB1102]

This. Cap auditors have failed to find any major breach over years and years.. And yet, the NRL still flounders their way through the issues, unable to work out a way to improve it.

Dumb as dogshit.

Cronulla ran a highlighter over it for them 6 months ago, still no resolution in sight. How are they gonna get to the bottom of something someone doesn't want them to find?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Johnson jumping ship from the Warriors makes more sense now, Idve thought he would’ve had some heftier third party deals that would’ve been kinda dependent on his status as the Warriors/NZ face of the game.

 

[Zadar]

Haha the Roosters one is taking the piss right?

No.

Why would you assume that?

5 of the clubs in the league have cheated the competition in the storm,parra,manly,dogs and sharks, so these teams should never be trusted to do anything legally again.

another 4 were reliant on the nrl for handouts or forced mergers, Newcastle,titans, Illawarra and wests.

Canberra and the warriors would not be missed in the competition in any way or form, they are ignored by fans and major broadcasters like the plague.

Which basically leaves the roosters,broncos,Penrith,cowboys and Souths to provide strength and structure for the game to keep growing.

It may look like the roosters are taking the piss, but it’s more likely that they achieve success by default because the majority of other teams are so badly run.

 

[DJShaksta]

No.

Why would you assume that?

5 of the clubs in the league have cheated the competition in the storm,parra,manly,dogs and sharks, so these teams should never be trusted to do anything legally again.

another 4 were reliant on the nrl for handouts or forced mergers, Newcastle,titans, Illawarra and wests.

Canberra and the warriors would not be missed in the competition in any way or form, they are ignored by fans and major broadcasters like the plague.

Which basically leaves the roosters,broncos,Penrith,cowboys and Souths to provide strength and structure for the game to keep growing.

It may look like the roosters are taking the piss, but it’s more likely that they achieve success by default because the majority of other teams are so badly run.

LoL
Thanks, needed a good laugh

 

[Slater1]

While they are in a market with 10 VFL clubs, they have a section of the market that the VFL cannot touch (therefore, a market that only the Storm can communicate to)...

Any NSW/QLD/NZ expat who knows VFL is dogshit will almost certainly follow the Storm (at least as a "second team"). So while there are more VFL fans in Vic that RL fans, dividing it per club would put the Storm on a fairly even pegging.

I imagine the Swans would have a similar advantage, being the only club in Sydney

Not sure if I can trust the opinion of someone in regards to how the Melbourne sporting market works when he thinks there's only one AFL side in Sydney

 

[Dawesy76]

I think it was Paul Kent who said it on 360 but he made a point about how ‘rich supporters’ of clubs have been know the ‘give’ players money and there was no way of policing that.

There used to be stories of certain Townsville businessmen who would never pay for a function or a beer of food at the Cowboys leagues club or any of their official events. I imagine stories like that it would be rife everywhere. And hard to police. How many rich supporters in bondi do you think are driving around in 5 year ‘test drive’ cars right now?

It’s actually staggering that 3rd parties can truly be monitored. Not everyone keeps records and not everyone deposits cash into accounts.

 

[Tommy Smith]

So the NRL release the 3rd party payment figures proving that the Roosters only receive the league average and yet you merkins still whinge & bitch.

"Da Rooosters r cheatz!"

Keep selling yourselves that story, as opposed to the one of incompetence, as your clubs pay the likes of Josh Reynolds, Mitch Moses, Jack Wighton, Kieran Foran and Adam Blair vast wads of cash.

The Knights should be a lesson to you all. They got it horrendously wrong for so long, paying enormous deals to bog average players and it resulted in multiple spoons.

But now they're getting it oh so very right and are on the verge of something special imo.

It's not because of cheating. It's because they shifted from gross incompetence to employing good people who are making smart decisions.

That's what the Roosters have done for 5 years. But before that we also got it dreadfully wrong for the best part of 8-9 years.

And when Uncle Nick and Trent go we'll probably get it wrong again for a period.

Swings and roundabouts.

 

[TheDalek079]

haters gonna hate

 

[Valheru]

So the NRL release the 3rd party payment figures proving that the Roosters only receive the league average and yet you merkins still whinge & bitch.

"Da Rooosters r cheatz!"

Keep selling yourselves that story, as opposed to the one of incompetence, as your clubs pay the likes of Josh Reynolds, Mitch Moses, Jack Wighton, Kieran Foran and Adam Blair vast wads of cash.

The Knights should be a lesson to you all. They got it horrendously wrong for so long, paying enormous deals to bog average players and it resulted in multiple spoons.

But now they're getting it oh so very right and are on the verge of something special imo.

It's not because of cheating. It's because they shifted from gross incompetence to employing good people who are making smart decisions.

That's what the Roosters have done for 5 years. But before that we also got it dreadfully wrong for the best part of 8-9 years.

And when Uncle Nick and Trent go we'll probably get it wrong again for a period.

Swings and roundabouts.

Nothing will ever convince fans of the lesser clubs. They will always believe the better clubs have an unfair advantage and/or cheat.

It enables them to continue to be victims.

 

[siv]

What I find strange us how low 3pas are - $200k average

A real job average wage is $80k

So reserve grade playing group should have 5 to 10 tradies playing - so the club should be be reporting something like $400k in 3pas

Feels like some forms of 3pas are not being included in the report

Maybe only endorsments or TV apperances are being reported

 

[Spot On]

So the NRL release the 3rd party payment figures proving that the Roosters only receive the league average and yet you merkins still whinge & bitch.

"Da Rooosters r cheatz!"

Keep selling yourselves that story, as opposed to the one of incompetence, as your clubs pay the likes of Josh Reynolds, Mitch Moses, Jack Wighton, Kieran Foran and Adam Blair vast wads of cash.

The Knights should be a lesson to you all. They got it horrendously wrong for so long, paying enormous deals to bog average players and it resulted in multiple spoons.

But now they're getting it oh so very right and are on the verge of something special imo.

It's not because of cheating. It's because they shifted from gross incompetence to employing good people who are making smart decisions.

That's what the Roosters have done for 5 years. But before that we also got it dreadfully wrong for the best part of 8-9 years.

And when Uncle Nick and Trent go we'll probably get it wrong again for a period.

Swings and roundabouts.

The Knights are operating without Muchael Hagan's recruitment philosophy.

Pay a local reserve grader rep money if he looks like he might play 5 minutes of first grade.

Then upgrade his contract after playing like a reserve grader or bush footballer at best.

Rinse - repeat.

But yes, you are onto it.

 

[txta2]

Wonder what Easts are paying inspecter Rooster for ?

200k of 3pas is not worthy of his salary

Cars. Has to be a loophole, even other clubs players are driving around in "leased" cars

 

[SpaceMonkey]

What I find strange us how low 3pas are - $200k average

A real job average wage is $80k

So reserve grade playing group should have 5 to 10 tradies playing - so the club should be be reporting something like $400k in 3pas

Feels like some forms of 3pas are not being included in the report

Maybe only endorsments or TV apperances are being reported

I’d say that’s right, at a guess a part timer’s job that they perform non-football related duities for wouldn’t be included. Of course that’s pretyy clear cut with a tradie or a garbo but might start to get nebulous with some “marketing” positions. Rugby Union got really good at that in the last decades before professionalism when all the good players had cushy paper jobs that paid well (“shamateurism” was the term used) to avoid being classed as professionals.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Cars. Has to be a loophole, even other clubs players are driving around in "leased" cars

Most clubs have a car or dealership sponsor so I’d say that’s exceptionally common. I remember when Benji and half the other Tigers were all driving brand new Protons.

 

[siv]

There is a car allowance within the salary car

But Education costs are exempt eg Cronks future uni degree

 

[sempmrh]

Most clubs have a car or dealership sponsor so I’d say that’s exceptionally common. I remember when Benji and half the other Tigers were all driving brand new Protons.

Which is probably the only time anyone has ever driven a Proton.

 

[Perth Red]

Cars in the cap;
$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

There is a bit of a conflict in the nrl’s description of the cap. In one part it says tpas have to be seperate from the club to be out of the cap, but then in the faqs it says

“Players are also able to enter into agreements with game sponsors, referred to as Sponsor Leveraging Agreements. There is no maximum amount and they are excluded from the salary cap.”

https://www.nrl.com/operations/the-game/the-salary-cap/

 

[aqua_duck]

Maybe I'm wrong but I cannot think of another sporting code in the world where the club's themselves seem to have as much of a hand in THIRD PARTY AGREEMENTS.
In other sports and codes it's just called 'sponsorship' and 'endorsements'. I look at a club like the Broncos with their $800k in TPAs and I genuinely cannot think of any Broncos player that has a strong connection to any brand or company, you then have to ask yourself why would 'third parties' part with that much money annually for what seems to be very little promotional benefit.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Maybe I'm wrong but I cannot think of another sporting code in the world where the club's themselves seem to have as much of a hand in THIRD PARTY AGREEMENTS.
In other sports and codes it's just called 'sponsorship' and 'endorsements'. I look at a club like the Broncos with their $800k in TPAs and I genuinely cannot think of any Broncos player that has a strong connection to any brand or company, you then have to ask yourself why would 'third parties' part with that much money annually for what seems to be very little promotional benefit.

Exactly.

The Storm make sense with Billy and Cameron Smith. The Cowboys with Thurston.

But who the hell is getting paid 800k in Brissy? Boyd? Roberts? Milford? Some real characters to promote your brand right there.

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly.

The Storm make sense with Billy and Cameron Smith. The Cowboys with Thurston.

But who the hell is getting paid 800k in Brissy? Boyd? Roberts? Milford? Some real characters to promote your brand right there.

Must be a lot of car sales room openings or something going on in brissy! It’d be hard to think of more than three players I’ve seen in a tv advert in last couple of years.