Triple J Hottest 100

[Moffo]

ok then, lets be realistic. its one song, sex on fire, that catapulted them to the big time. if you listen to their old cds the rest of the music in their latest effort, imo, isn't that different. i just think it has more to people cracking the sh*ts because they hear the songs so many times as opposed to their other songs

 

[CC_Eagle]

Umm..

Their last release "Because Of The Times", remember "On Call"? To date one of the most irritating songs of all time. It's been a gradual rise to their current stature.

BOTT grabbed the attention of the mainstream market. They had our attention before Only By The Night was even contemplated, all it took was another mass melody hook and the douchebag explosion was complete.

The only person I could think may see similarities in Aha and Youth would be someone who has poked a cotton bud too far in a few dozen times and needs help ordering a pizza.

 

[Non Terminator]

that list is pretty awesome, to me anyway :crazy:

pearl jam are gods.

The rest of the list is still quite good too.

 

[simmo1]

17 Rage Against The Machine - Killing In The Name

Fixed.

By the way, awesome list, but a lot of those songs would be considered 'mainstream'.

 

[Alex28]

KOL are now considered mainstream because they now make mainstream music. Moffo - don't pretend that if they had released Youth now that they would be just as huge as they have become - commercial radio wouldn't touch it.

The difference between a Nick Cave and a KOL is that Nick Cave wrote an album not giving a rats whether singles get picked up by commercial radio or not. KOL clearly did.

As for the Top 20 published now being mainstream...they weren't mainstream when they were first released in a number of cases...amazing how quick commercial radio picks up music once stations like JJJ, 4ZZZ, 3RRR, FBi, et al create an audience for it. Rightly or wrongly, where would acts like The Presets and Cut Copy be without JJJ?

And lastly...Simmo - that came straight from the JJJ website and I didn't think I needed to proof read...obviously I did

 

[Non Terminator]

Fixed.

By the way, awesome list, but a lot of those songs would be considered 'mainstream'.

That's why many people voted for them.

 

[Moffo]

KOL are now considered mainstream because they now make mainstream music. Moffo - don't pretend that if they had released Youth now that they would be just as huge as they have become - commercial radio wouldn't touch it.

The difference between a Nick Cave and a KOL is that Nick Cave wrote an album not giving a rats whether singles get picked up by commercial radio or not. KOL clearly did.

As for the Top 20 published now being mainstream...they weren't mainstream when they were first released in a number of cases...amazing how quick commercial radio picks up music once stations like JJJ, 4ZZZ, 3RRR, FBi, et al create an audience for it. Rightly or wrongly, where would acts like The Presets and Cut Copy be without JJJ?

And lastly...Simmo - that came straight from the JJJ website and I didn't think I needed to proof read...obviously I did

dont agree, sorry. KOL made a catchy song that radio picked up on. i dont think sex on fire is that mainstream of a song when you look at the lyrics and even the filmclip.

geez if the biggest mistake they made was to make a song that a lot of people like, well f**k me, lets crucify them. its just silly

 

[HevyDevy]

It depends on whether the song was written and picked up by radio or deliberately written for radio.

The different is tangible - songs written for radio tend to be complete crap.

So it's not the fact that it is on the radio that is the problem Moffo but that having airplay was the primary goal from the outset.

 

[Alex28]

Again - compare "Sex On Fire" with "Molly's Chambers" - almost unrecognisable. They have written this album's music with a basis to go mainstream - no doubts about it. In fact I'm sure I read an article in a mag like NME or Q that they wanted to become "bigger than U2" prior to the release of this album...

(I'll try and find it or a link to it if I can)

 

[Alex28]

This article is a little older but shows what I am saying:

Musically, the album is ambitious. Songs such as "On Call" and "Black Thumbnail" see the Kings temper their indie/Southern rock with tropes more suited to stadium-sized venues. "After supporting U2, we wanted to write songs that were bigger than us so that we could get back to those audiences," Caleb says.

Straight from the bands mouth - they see U2's success, they want the stadium shows that they get, they purposely change their music to gain that audience.

Kinda backs what we have been saying Moffo...

 

[carcharias]

Again - compare "Sex On Fire" with "Molly's Chambers" - almost unrecognisable. They have written this album's music with a basis to go mainstream - no doubts about it. In fact I'm sure I read an article in a mag like NME or Q that they wanted to become "bigger than U2" prior to the release of this album...

(I'll try and find it or a link to it if I can)

totally disagree with this bit

I played in a covers band , we played Mollys chambers and every pissed up MMM lovin redneck in any joint we played it in loved it.
My guess is they'd never even heard the song before.
I would say "Molly's" is more radio friendly than "sex on fire".


the singers new pretty boy haircut is what stinks of sellout to me

 

[Alex28]

Disagree completely...lyrics are far more pronounced these days, bit harder to sing along to Molly's, new stuff much much much more polished and processed...

 

[carcharias]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2DiE4_gswU&feature=channel
If you cant hear the words in this song you are deaf .

simple basic rock song ...catchy as hell .
way more radio friendly than sex on fire.

 

[Eelementary]

Radio sucks anyway. They don't play anything good. Hell, I'm surprised that JJJ even knows who Opeth are.

 

[Eelementary]

And all this "you suck cos you're mainstream" crap is a cop out. Why should they be punished because they managed to make an album that sold very well to the mainstream audience and made them sh*tloads of money? If you want to make money in music, you generally have to be fairly bland and generic - American/Australian Idol is the perfect example. The more successful "artists" spawning from those shows are as generic as f**k basically. And dud as, too. But they make money.

 

[Solid]

Radio sucks anyway. They don't play anything good. Hell, I'm surprised that JJJ even knows who Opeth are.

On JJJ, Ive heard Opeth played once last year during the release of the new album. Opeth surprisingly got to #7 on the Aria charts. Bet most people didn't know that.

 

[Godz Illa]

lol the 'prounounced lyrics' beef is an odd one - must be why you worship Thom Yorke, Alex. I agree with carcharias anyway, the lyrics on Molly's Chambers are easier to decipher than Sex on Fire. The chorus especially is crystal clear - there are page-long debates on lyric sites over the Sex on Fire chorus. And as for the polished production - they've had the same producer since day one! Angelo Petraglia from their home town Nashville. It's not like they've hired Rick Rubin, Bob Rock or The Neptunes ffs

 

[HevyDevy]

When JJJ play Burzum I'll start listening

 

[HevyDevy]

... although everyone else would probably stop.


:lol:

 

[Alex28]

lol the 'prounounced lyrics' beef is an odd one - must be why you worship Thom Yorke, Alex. I agree with carcharias anyway, the lyrics on Molly's Chambers are easier to decipher than Sex on Fire. The chorus especially is crystal clear - there are page-long debates on lyric sites over the Sex on Fire chorus. And as for the polished production - they've had the same producer since day one! Angelo Petraglia from their home town Nashville. It's not like they've hired Rick Rubin, Bob Rock or The Neptunes ffs

The lyrics are far more pronounced and polished on this album compared to their earlier stuff. This thread is full of people who can see how this band has sold themselves out to become massive - hell they admitted so themselves, and those who don't want to admit a great band has gone generic.

As for Thom Yorke...unclear lyrics still equals great artist who hasn't sold out for mainstream success. I'm glad you get my point