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JJ

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People shouldn't be surprised at Clarke's performances.

He doesn't score many runs outside of Australia.


You didn't just say that did you???? Watch yourself :lol:

Clarke is a rather overrated player, think he's just inside the top 10 in world rankings, that might be too high...

I love the 'best batsman in the world' comments... the elite are Sangakarra, de Villers, Chanderpaul and Amla - big step down to anyone else
 

JJ

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yes he does


yep, he averages about 40... 2/3 the player he is in Australia, you'd be all over an Indian or Sri Lankan with a record like that - in fact one who comes to mind is Jayawardene, he's probably pretty close to Clarke in a lot of ways
 

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People shouldn't be surprised at Clarke's performances.

He doesn't score many runs outside of Australia.

averaging 41.71 away from home, id probably say "doesn't score as well" rather than "doesn't score many" but whatever makes you feel good

He isn't even doing anywhere near that average on this tour, but he usually manages a biggie somewhere, maybe the 3rd test? Doesn't look likely though :(
 

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averaging 41.71 away from home, id probably say "doesn't score as well" rather than "doesn't score many" but whatever makes you feel good

He isn't even doing anywhere near that average on this tour, but he usually manages a biggie somewhere, maybe the 3rd test? Doesn't look likely though :(

yep - but 41 is merely solid, not deserving of the paudits the Nine team in particular hands out...

He's a champion at home, but not the lone ranger there
 

JJ

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Will Watson be fit for the 3rd?

And is he likely to be picked - selectors could well argue this test, rather than the 1st was the aberration for the top order...
 

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You didn't just say that did you???? Watch yourself :lol:

Clarke is a rather overrated player, think he's just inside the top 10 in world rankings, that might be too high...

I love the 'best batsman in the world' comments... the elite are Sangakarra, de Villers, Chanderpaul and Amla - big step down to anyone else


Many of us agree he isn't the best in the world, the handful of usual suspects might do, but its an aussie forum and you will get one eyed supporters who think their own is the best. Your wasting your time educating the minority, not sure why you continually do it? You come across as a hater more than someone whose knowledgable when you are continually repetitive

Pop into an indian site forum and they will name about 4 of their own as the best, lol
 

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Lol JJ too true. But facts are facts.

Away from home he is just an average Test batsman - given an avg. of 40 odd is the standard for a solid Test player.

And his record in RSA against quality pace bowling on wickets that actually do something has been nothing but abject.

So whilst he might score a ton every now and then, history shows that he has never threatened to dominate an overseas Series like he has at home against pie chuckers like the Indians on featherbeds.
 

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Seeing as Watson is fit, surely if they have no plans for Hughes they'll let him go home to play in the next shield game.
 

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I understand the logic of going with Doolan and Watson in the 3rd test ahead of Hughes. I disagree with it, but I understand it.

What I do not understand, what is undefendable, is picking George Bailey for 5 tests. And now picking Marsh for 3. Neither player did ANYTHING to deserve it. Their own f**king Argus review rubbish told them to only pick players when they have runs/wickets on the board. Bailey did not have that. Marsh has never f**king had it.

Doolan and Hughes should both consider themselves robbed if Marsh is selected again.

And the selectors have a moral duty to let Hughes play in the next shield game if they won't pick him.
 

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Moses in to help improve a shithouse top 6? Please.

Doolan out. Hughes in.
Marsh out. Watson in.

Doolan and Marsh average 38 and 35 in first class cricket over a combined 15 years. That is a bloody large sample size. They are not good enough. The first test was a fluke.

Hughes and Watson who both have their share of critics at least average over 40 with the bat. We should never ever pick a batsman to play test cricket who averages in the 30s.

Michael Clarke averaged 35 when he was first picked.
 

JJ

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Clarke proving he's the best batsman in the world :clap:

:lol: nice troll, but at the moment he's not even the best batsmen in your team :sarcasm: maybe not even 2nd best

Seriously impressive from Australia... if Johnson's hot run continues (who the f**k knows), Harris can stay fit, and you can find a #3, and replace Rogers and Haddin when they call it a day, you'll be #1 sooner rather than later. The good thing is daylight wont be second as it had been in the Waugh era
 

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:lol: nice troll, but at the moment he's not even the best batsmen in your team :sarcasm: maybe not even 2nd best

Seriously impressive from Australia... if Johnson's hot run continues (who the f**k knows), Harris can stay fit, and you can find a #3, and replace Rogers and Haddin when they call it a day, you'll be #1 sooner rather than later. The good thing is daylight wont be second as it had been in the Waugh era

Not in the best form but he is by far the best.
 

JJ

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Not in the best form but he is by far the best.

Well, my old chestnut is that only happens at home... like the Indians he doesn't travel so well :sarcasm:

Not sure I agree anyway, the best of Warner is pretty f**king impressive - not many openers can do this - he's channelling Greenidge and Sehweg!

Test should be over by early afternoon - the same two AB and FAF are the obstacles, but lightning seldom strikes twice... Duminy is a myth I reckon but because he did well against Aust once he's rated by Aussies - although he's been poor with the ball, Philander can stick around a long time
 

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Well, my old chestnut is that only happens at home... like the Indians he doesn't travel so well :sarcasm:

Not sure I agree anyway, the best of Warner is pretty f**king impressive - not many openers can do this - he's channelling Greenidge and Sehweg!

Test should be over by early afternoon - the same two AB and FAF are the obstacles, but lightning seldom strikes twice... Duminy is a myth I reckon but because he did well against Aust once he's rated by Aussies - although he's been poor with the ball, Philander can stick around a long time
Warner is on the way up and has had a fantastic series but you are kidding yourself if he is the best batsman in the side. He would have to keep this form up for a while yet. And Clarke got a hundred in this test so it doesn't only happen at home.
 

JJ

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What was laughable is Philander's bowling stats this series lol

Yep, and Siddle's and Harris's until this test...

What was (and still is) funniest is the 5 day stupid test, BunniesMan, locky and El Diablo...

A draw, you and El D left BM for dead - special effort, well done chaps
 

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After beating Pakistan for 13 tests in a row they have now beaten us twice in a row. Who is the last non England team to beat us 3 times in a row.

Frustratingly, Rogers in his painful mediocrity has probably done just enough to stay in. And they won't pick Hughes down the order and nor should they.

I would like to see the big show in for Doolan or Marsh. Marsh shouldn't be blooded in these conditions. He's a good bowler and a mediocre batsman. We don't need 3 quicks. And Doolan just isn't good enough at this level.

IF Hughes was to come in then it would be for Doolan with Rogers at 3 and Hughes at opener.
 

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Phail will never play another test

mark my words

Done.

Hughes is as big or maybe even a bigger liability in these conditions than Marsh and Doolan, and he isn't as good as Rogers. Rogers has scored something like 1800 first class runs this year in all competitions and was our third highest scorer for the match (our first Test in a while, too). He's not going anywhere yet.

Hughes has hit a 100 in Sri Lanka against Herath at the peak of his powers.

He was among our best in the tour match and was the only one who looked good on a 4th day pitch against big turners.

In his last 4 tests he has a 40, a 60 and an 80, the first 2 in India and the last one against Graeme Swann before he was shit.

He has improved. People keep thinking of him at his worst without allowing for any development.
 
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