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[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

He didn't have a good day...

In some conditions he's pretty much unplayable, but I think you lot are a wee bit harsh on him... he's a quality operator

But I'm still staggered at the courageousness displayed by your captain, so often described as the best bat in the world in your media (not close in reality) who slides down the order in a weakened inexperienced lineup... in a lot of ways it's a shame Marsh got lucky and Smith played well, if you had collapsed surely some hard questions would have had to have been asked of the golden boy?

Are you serious? :lol:

The bloke he put in at 4 is 122 not out at the end of the day but he got lucky :lol: how the f**k do you get lucky batting almost an entire day

Always crying about Clarke.

 

[JJ]

Are you serious? :lol:

The bloke he put in at 4 is 122 not out at the end of the day but he got lucky :lol: how the f**k do you get lucky batting almost an entire day

Always crying about Clarke.

1. Yes
2. If you bat most the day, by definition you MUST get lucky. Plus, Marsh (as evidenced by his record, and all the comments here) just isn't that good.
3. Yes, probably the most over-rated (at least by Australians and their media) player in international cricket - and regardless of how it turned out, pretty un-Australian of the captain and best bat in the team (actually, that's probably Haddin) to drop himself down the order and allow two newbies to face the world's best pace attack - quite brave that... I don't care how it turned out, it was the wrong move at the time

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

So Bradman is the luckiest batsman ever lmao too much fail

"It was the wrong move" 122 not out

Just another butt hurt kiwi that an Aussie gets praise.

 

[JJ]

"It was the wrong move" 122 not out

Just another butt hurt kiwi that an Aussie gets praise.

Correct, the wrong move and a gutless one. Glad you're catching up - it's a long series champ...

Happy for Marsh and Smith to be praised, no issue there at all.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Yep, the wrong move while he batted about 80 overs against the so called best attack in the world and is 122 not out :lol:

You only criticise it because it's Clarke. It's hilarious how much Clarke gets to you.

 

[JJ]

Yep, the wrong move while he batted about 80 overs against the so called best attack in the world and is 122 not out :lol:

You only criticise it because it's Clarke. It's hilarious how much Clarke gets to you.

I wasn't the only one, and while Marsh obviously did well, I see no reason to be revisionist about it...


Glad you've found a long-term #4, happy for you... Clearly Clarke's not up to it, and you've jopined locky's "he's better at #5 club", enjoy the love in

 

[ek999]

He is clearly up to batting at number 4 seeing as though he averages 52 in 46 innings batting at number 4. You need to look at where all batters in your team will be comfortable batting and both Marsh and Doolan (and Hughes if he gets back in the team) are top order players so naturally Clarke and Smith are going to shift down a spot in the order.

But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good story

 

[JJ]

He is clearly up to batting at number 4 seeing as though he averages 52 in 46 innings batting at number 4. You need to look at where all batters in your team will be comfortable batting and both Marsh and Doolan (and Hughes if he gets back in the team) are top order players so naturally Clarke and Smith are going to shift down a spot in the order.

But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good story

FFS, I was always saying he should be at 4... do I need little rolly eyes to make my sarcasm explicit for you???

1. Marsh was the answer at #3 a year or so back, now apparently #4... based on some obvious talent (although lack of 1st class performances) and two test innings :roll:

2. Clarke should obviously be at 4 in the current lineup, and some (e.g., twizzle here, and no doubt others in the media) believe he should be 3... 5 is a cop out, imo, given the lack of strength there, and especially with a player on debut and another returning to the team after being rightfully out of it, and Watson hurt...

3. If you are going to cite stats, take a closer look at Clarke's record

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

You must live a very happy life then because you get proven wrong all day everyday

I wasn't the only one, and while Marsh obviously did well, I see no reason to be revisionist about it...


Glad you've found a long-term #4, happy for you... Clearly Clarke's not up to it, and you've jopined locky's "he's better at #5 club", enjoy the love in

It's not about Marsh being the long term #4 but The decision paid off. Now marsh has to go on and prove he can solidify his spot.

You call it gutless and cowardice because you despise Clarke, ok that's your viewpoint but given how obviously mentally fragile Shaun Marsh was during the Indian series I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to bat him at 4 was partly to show him they have faith in him. It's a different era now and there is focus on preparing players mentally, making sure they're comfortable etc all that crap. That's definitely something players from Darren Lehmann coached teams talk about how he makes players happy and feel good.

 

[JJ]

You must live a very happy life then because you get proven wrong all day everyday



It's not about Marsh being the long term #4 but The decision paid off. Now marsh has to go on and prove he can solidify his spot.

You call it gutless and cowardice because you despise Clarke, ok that's your viewpoint but given how obviously mentally fragile Shaun Marsh was during the Indian series I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to bat him at 4 was partly to show him they have faith in him. It's a different era now and there is focus on preparing players mentally, making sure they're comfortable etc all that crap. That's definitely something players from Darren Lehmann coached teams talk about how he makes players happy and feel good.

Others that like Clarke called it the same...

Agree on Lehmann, and good thing he's in charge

 

[JJ]

Is Lyon a cheat like Stuart Broad?

I wonder what Boof reckons.

nah, clearly not the same - one is an Australian and they are the upholders of the morals and spirit of the game...

so, guess we've clarified that Australian tope order remains a worry, Philander is not quite the numpty Australian fans wanted to believe... and perhaps Johnson is the one that's great at using helpful conditions and ordinary when not? From what I have seen, Morkel was much more of a handful

 

[JJ]

Geez Clarke is really out of touch.

.

Tends to happen when he leaves Australia, just sayin...

 

[JJ]

Clarke averages 33 in RSA and 42 out of Australia

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/4578.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Not sure what your definition of pies is devil girl, but this is a handy career so far, good, solid overall average against Aust

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/4578.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

 

[JJ]

Mate, I'm amazed that ANYONE said I was wrong. As it is, using their second innings performances as evidence that they're going well is absurd.

Referring to your point, no I don't believe in hitting the panic button every time there is a failure. I do, however, believe something needs to be done when it is clear that a pattern has emerged. I think after 7 consecutive top order failures in the first innings, we can agree that a worrying pattern has emerged.

Yep, as excellent as Smith and Haddin have been, you can't put them in that position every test and expect them to get you out of it...

Bottom line is England were truly awful, and obviously confidence has gone up - but several players in your top 6 just aren't terribly good... one who is, Warner, has been pretty mediocre in first innings (avg 36 in first innings of a test) - he seriously needs to do better, that isn't a good sign.

But Rogers, Watson, Marsh, Bailey etc don't really look like top quality test players, Doolan has an average first class record but at least is young and promising. IMO Michael Clarke is a little overrated and certainly is not as effective outside Australia...

Smith on the other hand has been very impressive, and I certainly had big doubts about him - he's the long term answer at 5 (why Clarke refuses to bat 4 remains a mystery to me, either Doolan or Marsh should be at 6, that's pretty obvious), and Haddin is outstanding

 

[JJ]

you'd prefer a loss than a draw

seek help

We assume you can give him a list of your therapists

 

[El Diablo]

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showpost.php?p=3954854&postcount=66

 

[BunniesMan]

Moses in to help improve a shithouse top 6? Please.

Doolan out. Hughes in.
Marsh out. Watson in.

Doolan and Marsh average 38 and 35 in first class cricket over a combined 15 years. That is a bloody large sample size. They are not good enough. The first test was a fluke.

Hughes and Watson who both have their share of critics at least average over 40 with the bat. We should never ever pick a batsman to play test cricket who averages in the 30s.

 

[BunniesMan]

Darsh out, Moises in, Clarke to 4, Smith to 5 & Possibly Patto for Harris

I know people hate Hughes because I like him and they hate Watson...because he's Shane Watson. But how can anyone justify Henriques?

We have serious problems in our top 6. So we drop someone with a first class average of 35 for someone with a first class average of 31? Selecting Henriques would be the one person less deserving than Marsh right now. It is really difficult to weaken your batting order by removing Marsh, but replacing him with Henriques would do it.

More than anything, we need runs.

Hughes > Watson > Doolan > Marsh > Henriques

 

[BunniesMan]

After the Marsh 100 I said I was happy for him and glad to be proven wrong. If I think I player shouldn't be picked and he is I hope more than anything that they end up making me look stupid (that's hardly a challenge).

Marsh will have the odd great innings. He scored 100 on debut in shield against a NSW team that had 9 former, present or future test players. Everyone thought he was destined for greatness. He's scored 5 shield tons in the 11 years since then.

That sums him up.

2 great Test tons, while also managing to be the 3rd quickest Aussie in history to get 5 ducks (and possibly the quickest to 6).

For a decade he has shown he has the potential for greatness, but he has shown nothing to prove he will be great.

I think the selectors ego will be too big to acknowledge two mistakes. They should drop both Doolan and Marsh but they'll only drop one of them. And I have a bad feeling it won't be Marsh.

What I hope to be our top 6:
Warner
Rogers
Hughes
Clarke
Smith
Watson

What I am expecting to be our top 6:
Warner
Rogers
Marsh
Watson
Clarke
Smith

 

[Tommy Smith]

People shouldn't be surprised at Clarke's performances.

He doesn't score many runs outside of Australia.