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TV rights thread part 4

beave

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Or asking Joey who should play him in a movie........sigh, 5 more years boys, 5 more years.
 

El Diablo

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Get used to it boys this is the deal you wanted

FMD

lol

people wanted money and decent coverage

unfortunately we didn't get both but the money and loss of first and last rights is one of the best things to happpen

now f**k off and go back to doodie.com
 

undertaker

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Get used to it boys this is the deal you wanted

FMD

So, you're saying that all of us on this forum had a direct say in the tv rights negotiations and furthermore, that we all wanted Ch9 over the next 5 years to give us the same delayed telecasts we've been subjected to in the past, as well as the unprofessional, irrelevant commentary that only Ch9 know how to dish out (as they also do with with their cricket coverage)?

Man, you're an imbecile. One of the most stupid things I've read on this forum.
 
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Red Bear

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Just for clarification, is the sunday evening fixture going to be a fox sports thing, and that timeslot be in place of one of the two 7:30 Saturday matches?

Annoyed there is still only two day football matches all weekend, lends itself to the best football. A billion is nice though, and will hopefully mean we have even more bargaining power next rights to sort out the other issues
 

Moffo

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So, you're saying that all of us on this forum had a direct say in the tv rights negotiations and furthermore, that we all wanted Ch9 over the next 5 years to give us the same delayed telecasts we've been subjected to in the past, as well as the unprofessional, irrelevant commentary that only Ch9 know how to dish out (as they also do with with their cricket coverage)?

Man, you're an imbecile. One of the most stupid things I've read on this forum.

Not saying that. Saying that you guys are happy with staying at ch9

Hence my comment. I'm not saying that everyone here wanted it, it's aimed at those who splooged over the deal

f**k channel 9. No compromise. We had options outside of ch9
 

Moffo

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lol

people wanted money and decent coverage

unfortunately we didn't get both but the money and loss of first and last rights is one of the best things to happpen

now f**k off and go back to doodie.com

Go f**k yourself you ch9 apologist

Wanker
 
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So it is basically like another 50million added to the deal? or does it come out of what Fox pay?

What do you mean by out of what Fox pay?

But yeah, it's pretty much adding $50 million to the deal.

lol

people wanted money and decent coverage

unfortunately we didn't get both but the money and loss of first and last rights is one of the best things to happpen

now f**k off and go back to doodie.com

Don't forget News' complete withdrawal from the game, saving us $50 million as per above.

The more details that come out the more it shows that the commission in actual fact did very, very well on the deal. For so many years we though that we'd never get rid of News, but that day has finally come.

They are gone COMPLETELY
 

undertaker

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Not saying that. Saying that you guys are happy with staying at ch9

Huh? Who specifically said they're happy to stay at Ch9 rather than Ch7/10?

Even if we didn't get exactly the same amount from Ch10, I was much more in favour of Ch10's plan to show four live games in primetime (Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night and Monday night), as well as targetting the crucial Melbourne market with extended coverage into Victoria (or something along those lines as stated in Buzz's column this morning, not that I think that he's the most credible journalist in the game). However, we now know that Fox Sports was the prick that got in the way of Ch10's aspirations as they wanted to keep Super Saturday and Monday Night Football.

The exposure Ch10 were offering would've FAR OUTWEIGHED anything else in the long-term (as well as televising matches in HD, which Ch9 won't do until 2014, only because by then all of Australia will be made to broadcast on the digital channels. How pathetic). Now, even though Ch9 are going to show NRL on GEM into the non-RL states, you watch...they'll do the exact same thing by giving the game the bare minimal (if any) promotion into those areas and claim that they are "promoting" the game just by showing the match. Yeah, the same network that cut the broadcast in Melbourne after the Storm won the GF in 2009...

Even if people are creaming their pants over Ch9's massive offer this time around, what it does it prove that Ch9 GROSSLY UNDERPAID for the previous rights (2007-2012) that Gallop et al. awarded to them on a silver platter by allowing them to renew it without any auction/bid (just like he did with the radio rights in 2006 and 2009), which is supposed to be the correct procedure for these sort of events. The fact that he didn't do this greatly shows the unprofessionalism that existed in the NRL and why the AFL's administration (as much as I hate their sport) has shat all over the NRL's in nearly every facet.

As much as he did good at times to his credit, all I can say is Thank God Gallop's out of the game and we'll see just how much business acumen he has during his tenure at the A-League: a match made in heaven:lol:. The things he dealt with the Bulldogs fans are going to be nothing compared to the constant race riots he'll have to deal with in the soccer (a la NSL-style during the 1990s)
 
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Rosetta

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Just for clarification, is the sunday evening fixture going to be a fox sports thing, and that timeslot be in place of one of the two 7:30 Saturday matches?

Annoyed there is still only two day football matches all weekend, lends itself to the best football. A billion is nice though, and will hopefully mean we have even more bargaining power next rights to sort out the other issues

Yeap.
 

Edwahu

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What do you mean by out of what Fox pay?

But yeah, it's pretty much adding $50 million to the deal.



Don't forget News' complete withdrawal from the game, saving us $50 million as per above.

The more details that come out the more it shows that the commission in actual fact did very, very well on the deal. For so many years we though that we'd never get rid of News, but that day has finally come.

They are gone COMPLETELY

I meant does the 50 million come off the total paid by Fox Sports or as part of contra, since News owns half of Fox Sports.
 

Perth Red

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Does that mean the nrl is no longer funding the storm an extra $4.6mill a year or is that news $4mill on top of that?
 

taipan

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Does that mean the nrl is no longer funding the storm an extra $4.6mill a year or is that news $4mill on top of that?

Nope .The ARLC as part of the News deal for exiting,is they secure this funding for the next 5years,and I don't have a problem with that.
It will be more than covered by the sky Nz deal,when it eventuates.
 

Lockyer4President!

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Bolded a couple of points, some we already knew but others I'm not sure if they were made public yet, ie: How much C9 and FS paid each. What were the breakdown of $$$ for the AFL deal?
Why the numbers add up for ARLC's broadcast deal

Date
August 27, 2012 - 1:36PM

Chief Rugby League Writer

WINNING STARTS MONDAY

Would NRL fans prefer to watch sub-standard games televised live or one of the best sporting competitions in the world with some matches on delay for a further five years only?

That was the choice the ARL Commission had to make when they agreed on the new $1 billion television rights deal with Channel Nine and Fox Sports last week.

It was a deal that provided the immediate cash injection the ARLC so desperately needs after inheriting a game bereft of cash reserves and paves the way to give fans what they want in the next agreement after News Ltd relinquished a first and last rights arrangement on all media rights until 2027.

The Herald reported that Channel Ten had offered $800 million for four games per week and many have said that would have been preferable to the deal negotiated by the ARLC, which will see three games on free-to-air per week - but only one of which will be live.

However, Nine and Fox Sports tendered a joint bid, whereas Ten and Seven did not have a pay-TV partner.

If the ARLC had chosen one of those networks as the game's free-to-air broadcaster, they would have then had to find another outlet to show the remaining matches and the overall value of the deal would have been significantly less than the $1.025 billion Nine ($475 million) and Fox Sports ($550 million) have agreed to pay, including $50 million each in advertising.

A 20 per cent reduction in the value of the broadcast deal, which Ten's offer effectively represented, would have directly impacted on the money available to fund struggling NRL clubs and increase payments for players, as well as provide more support at grassroots level.

For those who think players are paid enough, consider this - the highest paid player in the game, Johnathan Thurston, earns about the same amount of money that Anthony Mundine was paid when he quit the game in 2000.

And Mundine's $700,000 per year pay cheque was no larger than the likes of Laurie Daley, Ricky Stuart and Bradley Clyde received at the outbreak of the Super League war in 1995 - meaning the game's top players have not had a real pay rise for almost 20 years.

At the other end of the payscale, every club has players earning the NRL's minimum wage of $60,000 per year to put their bodies through a gruelling off-season and brutal 26-week premiership, plus a possible finals series.

Without an increase in the salary cap, more players could be expected to follow the likes of Sonny Bill Williams to rugby union or Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau to AFL, where they can earn $1 million-plus pay packets.

However, only two NRL clubs - Brisbane and South Sydney - made small operating profits without leagues club grants or top ups from private owners last season, and they are dependent on extra funding from the television money.

Significantly, the ARLC managed to negotiate $90 million upfront from Nine and Fox Sports and a deal that is frontloaded, so that more money is paid in the earlier years than later.

This will provide an immediate cash injection to a game that has been surviving hand to mouth since the end of the Super League war.

Equally as important, News Ltd agreed to forego an arrangement negotiated as a key condition of its exit from the game that gave the Murdoch empire first and last rights on all media rights - including online, mobile and technology not yet invented - until 2027.

With Nine retaining the exclusive rights to three games per week but viewers only able to watch one of the two Friday night matches live and the Sunday afternoon fixture being broadcast on delay to accommodate more advertisements, fans have complained the deal is the same as the current one but for twice the money.

According to a poll conducted on the Herald's website after details of the new deal was announced last Tuesday, 31 per cent of the 7520 people who voted believed the coverage provided by Nine and Fox Sports was 'poor' and comments posted on smh.com.au were overwhelmingly negative.

There were many valid points, but the deal provides the money needed to ensure the growth of the game and puts the ARLC in a position to call the shots when the next broadcast agreement is negotiated.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...adcast-deal-20120827-24vm5.html#ixzz24iRW93Ih
 
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El Diablo

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The Herald reported that Channel Ten had offered $800 million for four games per week and many have said that would have been preferable to the deal negotiated by the ARLC, which will see three games on free-to-air per week - but only one of which will be live.

However, Nine and Fox Sports tendered a joint bid, whereas Ten and Seven did not have a pay-TV partner.

that's the biggest bummer

Fox screwed up Ten's bid although being free from News Ltd now is great

Ten should have bought all 8 games and forced Fox to pay up
 

carlosthedwarf

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For those who think players are paid enough, consider this - the highest paid player in the game, Johnathan Thurston, earns about the same amount of money that Anthony Mundine was paid when he quit the game in 2000.

And Mundine's $700,000 per year pay cheque was no larger than the likes of Laurie Daley, Ricky Stuart and Bradley Clyde received at the outbreak of the Super League war in 1995 - meaning the game's top players have not had a real pay rise for almost 20 years.

This is a really poor point to make, salaries were artificially raised due to the Super League war. A better comparison would be what the top players were getting in 2001-2003.
 

Perth Red

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why would "only" having $800mill lead to sub standard games? I see no corelation to getting 90% of the deal making a difference to quality of games

Been said a million times but only having one FTA live game in this day and age is a joke.

Maybe next time we sell the 4 games to Ten for $800mill and set up an internet subscriber service for the other 5 games live for $10 a week giving an extra $200mill+advertising?
 

Parra

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why would "only" having $800mill lead to sub standard games? I see no corelation to getting 90% of the deal making a difference to quality of games

Been said a million times but only having one FTA live game in this day and age is a joke.

Maybe next time we sell the 4 games to Ten for $800mill and set up an internet subscriber service for the other 5 games live for $10 a week giving an extra $200mill+advertising?


If $800 million would lead to substandard games what does this bloke think of current NRL matches? It is a stupid correlation to make - these blokes can get away with writing complete garbage sometimes.

He is suggesting that the 800 was for 4 games a week only, with the implication that the rest could be still sold by the NRL. Other posters have suggested that the 800 was for the lot, with Ten then onselling the rest to offset the 800.

With all of the interest why were exclusive rights sold as a block anyway?

How about an auction for each timeslot + an auction for each rep game. Would be interesting to see what Origin 3 or the GF would be worth on it's own.
 

El Diablo

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why would "only" having $800mill lead to sub standard games? I see no corelation to getting 90% of the deal making a difference to quality of games

Been said a million times but only having one FTA live game in this day and age is a joke.

Maybe next time we sell the 4 games to Ten for $800mill and set up an internet subscriber service for the other 5 games live for $10 a week giving an extra $200mill+advertising?

read the article you gumby

Without an increase in the salary cap, more players could be expected to follow the likes of Sonny Bill Williams to rugby union or Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau to AFL, where they can earn $1 million-plus pay packets.

so you end up losing quality players

get it?

also note other positives like these

A 20 per cent reduction in the value of the broadcast deal, which Ten's offer effectively represented, would have directly impacted on the money available to fund struggling NRL clubs and increase payments for players, as well as provide more support at grassroots level.

Significantly, the ARLC managed to negotiate $90 million upfront from Nine and Fox Sports and a deal that is frontloaded, so that more money is paid in the earlier years than later.

This will provide an immediate cash injection to a game that has been surviving hand to mouth since the end of the Super League war.

Equally as important, News Ltd agreed to forego an arrangement negotiated as a key condition of its exit from the game that gave the Murdoch empire first and last rights on all media rights - including online, mobile and technology not yet invented - until 2027.
 

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