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[84 Baby]

Yep I was going to mention the draft pick trends regarding centres. Massive decline.

I reckon it was a trend against just picking the biggest kid in the schoolyard more than a genuine change to smaller systems. 90s despite Bulls/Lakers dominance was peak NBA for variety. There was your Jordan’s and Bryants destroying teams individually, then your Kidd types passing their way around teams, but then you still had your Shaqs and Admirals. The unicorn through it all was probably Olajuwon. He was pretty dominant then and his game would still be dominant now I reckon

 

[84 Baby]

Hersey Hawkins was a guard ... sam perkins and the other ervin johnson

Lets not forget other greats at the time like greg ostertag

Divac and Duckworth were quality

Now I’m going to find which NBA Live year had the commentator saying “Greg... OOOOOOOstertaggggggg!”

 

[T.S Quint]

The centre position became much less important in the 90s. Have a look at the bulls opponents playing in the centre position during the finals:
Lakers - Vlade Divac, Mykal Thompson
Portland - Kevin Duckworth and Wayne Cooper
Phoenix - Tim Kempton, Oliver Miller
Seattle - Hersey Hawkins
Utah - Greg Foster. Adam Keefe
They are no better than Cartwright and Longley.
In the 90s it was more about guards and forwards, like it is today.

And none of them won. Jordan leaves and all of a sudden the Finals are played by teams featuring Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing and Shaquille O’Neal.

Jordan was the difference maker. He didn’t need a centre. The rest did.

 

[Noise]

And none of them won. Jordan leaves and all of a sudden the Finals are played by teams featuring Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing and Shaquille O’Neal.

Jordan was the difference maker. He didn’t need a centre. The rest did.

You do realise that all the teams who played in the finals from the Western Conference during the Jordan years (6 years worth) didn't need a good centre to make the finals either? In fact they beat teams with Olajuwon, Robinson and Mutumbo in them without having a dominant big man themselves.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Jordan had to play with Dennis Plodman and Ploppie Pippen. Not only that, he was coached by Dill Jackson.

 

[Bazal]

Jordan had to play with Dennis Plodman and Ploppie Pippen. Not only that, he was coached by Dill Jackson.

Plopson*

 

[Eelementary]

How many tatts does MJ have?

How many tatts does LBJ have?

There you go.

 

[Eelementary]

And none of them won. Jordan leaves and all of a sudden the Finals are played by teams featuring Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing and Shaquille O’Neal.

Jordan was the difference maker. He didn’t need a centre. The rest did.

Bill Cartwright averaged 5 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.6 bpg, and 8.8 ppg across the 5 games in the 1991 Championship series.

Vlade Divac - arguably a better player, but playing a totally different role - averaged 8.8 rbg, 2.0 apg, 2.4 bpg, and 18.2 ppg.

Aside from points scored (which, let's face it, can be put down to MJ being a ball hog; a god of basketball was he, but he hardly passed the damn thing), their stats are fairly even.

Bulls centres in the nineties were tasked mostly with setting pick and go's, and they did so very well.

The Bulls' centres in the early Jordan years weren't even very good rebounders.

I think Jordan needed a centre to help him out by doing things that aren't recorded in statistics - setting screens, double-teaming on defence, etc. -, and his centres did that for him.

 

[hineyrulz]

Jordan had to play with Dennis Plodman and Ploppie Pippen. Not only that, he was coached by Dill Jackson.

And Jordan was bald.

 

[Bazal]

And Jordan was bald.

But he was in Space Jam. And not some shitty cash grab remake

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How many tatts does MJ have?

How many tatts does LBJ have?

There you go.

Lyndon B. Johnson?

 

[Eelementary]

Lyndon B. Johnson?

Lake Bell, Jnr

 

[Gary Gutful]

Larry Blurthorse Jiggler

 

[strider]

Bill Cartwright averaged 5 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.6 bpg, and 8.8 ppg across the 5 games in the 1991 Championship series.

Vlade Divac - arguably a better player, but playing a totally different role - averaged 8.8 rbg, 2.0 apg, 2.4 bpg, and 18.2 ppg.

Aside from points scored (which, let's face it, can be put down to MJ being a ball hog; a god of basketball was he, but he hardly passed the damn thing), their stats are fairly even.

Bulls centres in the nineties were tasked mostly with setting pick and go's, and they did so very well.

The Bulls' centres in the early Jordan years weren't even very good rebounders.

I think Jordan needed a centre to help him out by doing things that aren't recorded in statistics - setting screens, double-teaming on defence, etc. -, and his centres did that for him.

actually their centres were a focal point of the triangle - good hands and the ability to score if left alone, but mostly dishing out to other guys moving

tho they were probably still just rebounders more than anything - with a bit of decent defense .... a big body still has some advantage taking up space

 

[hindy111]

Why does there need to be a winner?
Debating who is a better sportsmen in different eras is pointless.
Both where best of there times.

 

[Happy MEel]

But he was in Space Jam. And not some shitty cash grab remake

That may be true, but LeBron was classic in Trainwreck...

 

[Happy MEel]

actually their centres were a focal point of the triangle - good hands and the ability to score if left alone, but mostly dishing out to other guys moving

tho they were probably still just rebounders more than anything - with a bit of decent defense .... a big body still has some advantage taking up space

That can also be a disadvantage. Simmons and Embiid is a good example. Simmons is a completely different player when there’s not a big body clogging up the lane.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Why does there need to be a winner?
Debating who is a better sportsmen in different eras is pointless.
Both where best of there times.

Larry Bird was better than either player anyway.

 

[T.S Quint]

Larry Bird was better than either player anyway.

He was no Dean Uthoff though.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

*Andrew Gaze