TWO new Brisbane teams

[siv]

Cowboys, Storm and Broncos all have more supporters than any of the Sydney sides

Great reason for a region only home & away series without any Sydney teams

 

[Pippen94]

First of all times change. Most of those years Rugby League was a semi professional sport and you were competing with what? Rugby Union was an amateur sport, AFL was like League and had no prescence outside of a few states and soccer was only well supported by post war European immigrants. Eve you must realise that it has changed a bit since then.

Support for Sydney sides are massively inflated by some around here. Cowboys, Storm and Broncos all have more supporters than any of the Sydney sides

Plus streaming & fox half a million ppl in Sydney will watch a big regular season game. Melbourne lucky to hit 50k. Game wouldn't exist without Sydney teams

 

[Colk]

Doesn't mean there's too many NSW teams - just means some clubs are poorly managed. Guess what, so are are plenty of teams outside of the state. Remember clubs in Perth, Adelaide & even Brisbane went belly up.

Vast majority of pay tv subscribers, FTA viewers & fans of game support Sydney Clubs. It's the basis for the upcoming record broadcast deal. Don't throw out baby with bath water...

First of all those teams were booted because of News Ltd not because of financials. They’re all making money.

On the subject of supporter bases, you’re overestimating Sydney support. Storm and Broncos have twice the amount of support that the most well supported Sydney have got and are worth way more to the competition than any of the Sydney clubs you can name. Even the Cowboys and the Warriors would probably have more supporters than the Sydney sides

 

[Colk]

Great reason for a region only home & away series without any Sydney teams

I don’t understand this suggestion.

 

[Colk]

Plus streaming & fox half a million ppl in Sydney will watch a big regular season game. Melbourne lucky to hit 50k. Game wouldn't exist without Sydney teams

Depends on who is playing and the actual significance of the game. You shouldn’t consider all Sydney clubs to be the same, so if you’re talking about the Sharks or Manly probably not, even the Tigers and Dragons at the end of the season or Penrith pre their current run wouldn’t rate very well. You can’t say all Sydney sides are as important to the comp as say Souths or Parra.

Again Melbourne, Brisbane, Cowboys, Dolphins when they come in, Warriors all mean more to the comp financially. That might hurt people’s feeling but it is an inarguable point

 

[siv]

I don’t understand this suggestion.

All regional clubs should play home and away against each other, so they can maximise crowds

Imagine if the Storm, Cowboys, Broncos, Titans, Dolphins, Warriors, Raiders, Knights all played 2 games home & away games every year.

 

[Pippen94]

First of all those teams were booted because of News Ltd not because of financials. They’re all making money.

On the subject of supporter bases, you’re overestimating Sydney support. Storm and Broncos have twice the amount of support that the most well supported Sydney have got and are worth way more to the competition than any of the Sydney clubs you can name. Even the Cowboys and the Warriors would probably have more supporters than the Sydney sides

Broncos yes - unlikely rest.

Interesting broncos monopoly soon to end as Brisbane content more important than having a large super club.

 

[Colk]

So you are talking about the conference idea? They already do in a lot of ways - the Qld teams definitely do and I know as a Raiders fan that we always play the Warriors and the Storm twice even the Knights and Titans more often than not

 

[Pippen94]

Depends on who is playing and the actual significance of the game. You shouldn’t consider all Sydney clubs to be the same, so if you’re talking about the Sharks or Manly probably not, even the Tigers and Dragons at the end of the season or Penrith pre their current run wouldn’t rate very well. You can’t say all Sydney sides are as important to the comp as say Souths or Parra.

Again Melbourne, Brisbane, Cowboys, Dolphins when they come in, Warriors all mean more to the comp financially. That might hurt people’s feeling but it is an inarguable point

Basically any team which provides Sydney content is of value to NRL. Teams you list just piggyback off the game's popularity in the Sydney market. Superleague would've never merged with ARL if otherwise

 

[siv]

So you are talking about the conference idea? They already do in a lot of ways - the Qld teams definitely do and I know as a Raiders fan that we always play the Warriors and the Storm twice even the Knights and Titans more often than not

So no drama if Sydney just play Sydney clubs

win win

As regional teams are prefer to play regional clubs

 

[Colk]

Broncos yes - unlikely rest.

Interesting broncos monopoly soon to end as Brisbane content more important than having a large super club.

The Storm definitely do. They are challenging the Broncos for the most supporters in Australia now. Cowboys have around 600,000 supporters which if not bigger than all of the Sydney clubs, would be bigger than all except maybe Parra or Souths. Warriors is a guess but not outrageous considering they have a country of five million to themselves

 

[Colk]

Basically any team which provides Sydney content is of value to NRL. Teams you list just piggyback off the game's popularity in the Sydney market. Superleague would've never merged with ARL if otherwise

Not all Sydney teams. If the Sharks or Manly or Penrith (although the latter may change because that area is growing) or even the Roosters were outside of Sydney and had the same supporter base as they have had over all of these years would you consider them vital? I think you are considering all of the Sydney sides as the same when they are clearly not

 

[Pippen94]

The Storm definitely do. They are challenging the Broncos for the most supporters in Australia now. Cowboys have around 600,000 supporters which if not bigger than all of the Sydney clubs, would be bigger than all except maybe Parra or Souths. Warriors is a guess but not outrageous considering they have a country of five million to themselves

Buy a clue mate. If 15k are watching the storm in Melbourne either most storm fans are interstate or that's a bullshit survey figure which includes ppl who may catch game if they make grand final.

NRL exists on back of Sydney & Brisbane markets. Instead of building on that you want to needlessly remove dedicated fans. Dumb.

 

[Colk]

I don’t really understand your point of piggybacking. Are you suggesting that supporters of the Broncos or Storm or teams outside of Sydney are less important than those of Sydney teams?

Who cares they have more supporters than those of the Sydney teams, ergo they are more important

 

[Colk]

Also I don’t need a clue mate I already have it. You need to ask yourself why some Sydney clubs continue to struggle for supporters and financially and why adding another side in Sydney would be a good option when you several other options available

 

[xe_kilroy]

Sydney doesnt require even a single other team. The only places in NSW that ought to be represented are Wollongong, Campbelltown, Gosford. Dragons already do wollongong partially. Tigers do Campb. partially. Sea Eagles can do Gosford partially. Those three teams can for the time being service those regions by playing half their home games there, but the goal should be a permanent relocation there.

All you have to do then is push one Sydney club to Perth asap, and eventually in the future a second Sydney team to Adelaide.

Cronulla to Perth makes the most sense (apologies Sharks fans) because it's a weak region in Sydney, the Sharks have been on the brink of collapse before, and the Sharks moniker would suit a Perth team.

Any actual expansion should be QLD (2 more clubs... Ipswich and Central QLD). So you have about 6 NSW and 6 QLD teams. And Wellington or Christchurch.

Short term plan imo... Ipswich and NZ-2, in the next 2-5 years. Sharks to Perth asap. Sea Esgles to Gosford 50% as soon as 2022.

 

[xe_kilroy]

Don't worry, I do hate repeating myself, so apologies that i keep beating that drum every time this topic is discussed.

 

[xe_kilroy]

What the NRL could do is bribe/fund the Sharks and Bulldogs to play like 4 home games in Perth and Adelaide starting from 2022, for the foreseeable future, if those two teams refuse to relocate there... and that would stoke the fires of RL interest in those two cities. Kind of like how the NFL forces teams to play in London (about 4 games every year) and they’ll be doing Germany/etc soon too. NRL could do that.

 

[Pippen94]

Also I don’t need a clue mate I already have it. You need to ask yourself why some Sydney clubs continue to struggle for supporters and financially and why adding another side in Sydney would be a good option when you several other options available

Id rather ask myself why it's the regional teams failing most recently, particularly when they're not part of a metro survey & don't count for ratings thereby helping to bring in the big broadcast deal like Sydney Clubs.

 

[Pippen94]

Sydney doesnt require even a single other team. The only places in NSW that ought to be represented are Wollongong, Campbelltown, Gosford. Dragons already do wollongong partially. Tigers do Campb. partially. Sea Eagles can do Gosford partially. Those three teams can for the time being service those regions by playing half their home games there, but the goal should be a permanent relocation there.

All you have to do then is push one Sydney club to Perth asap, and eventually in the future a second Sydney team to Adelaide.

Cronulla to Perth makes the most sense (apologies Sharks fans) because it's a weak region in Sydney, the Sharks have been on the brink of collapse before, and the Sharks moniker would suit a Perth team.

Any actual expansion should be QLD (2 more clubs... Ipswich and Central QLD). So you have about 6 NSW and 6 QLD teams. And Wellington or Christchurch.

Short term plan imo... Ipswich and NZ-2, in the next 2-5 years. Sharks to Perth asap. Sea Esgles to Gosford 50% as soon as 2022.

If there was money to be made in the gong & gosford the dragons & manly would've moved there respectively already. Being in Sydney is most lucrative even with competition.