Two Separate Competitions QLD/NRL & NSWRL

[adamkungl]

No one can make a good case for any specific Sydney team to move over any other. It's a pointless argument to have, everyone is looking out for their own team. For the forseeable future it won't be happening voluntarily and it doesn't seem to be in the NRL's gameplan.

 

[Perth Red]

No one can make a good case for any specific Sydney team to move over any other. It's a pointless argument to have, everyone is looking out for their own team. For the forseeable future it won't be happening voluntarily and it doesn't seem to be in the NRL's gameplan.

The start point would need to be an acceptance that ten clubs in NSW in a 16 club dual nation competition is too many. Both in terms of sustainability of the market with ten clubs competing for fans and sponsors and in terms of the spread of the game. As the game isn't even close to accepting that, "who" should move is a mute discussion. There are probably 5-6 clubs that should be in for a variety of reasons, both immediate and long term strategically and it isn't hard to work out who they are.

 

[adamkungl]

Your initial statement is invalid. NSW is growing in population and available $. The NSW teams are in reasonable health, if they weren't sustainable they'd be dead. Problems a small number do have are caused by mismanagement rather than lack of demand, and the NRL is working to improve governance as a whole.
So given improved governance and a growing market your assertion that they are unsustainable is at best dubious.
NSW has > 50% of Australia's Rugby League supporting population and dollars.
The only non-NSW team to have proven higher support than any NSW team is Brisbane.
Using other teams as comparison, there is no evidence that a relocated Sydney team would receive more support than they do in Sydney.
The only NSW team under significant stress is the only one not affected by the supposed Sydney log jam.

The failure to significantly improve crowds is an NRL-wide problem which suggests it is a NRL problem, not a Sydney club problem.

The solution to the ratio problem is to increase the number of non-NSW teams, not forcibly reduce the number of NSW teams.
The Sydney situation can be improved by some teams either broadening or better focusing their target regions. St George more Wollongong based, Tigers more Campbeltown based, Manly looking outside the beaches, Roosters and/or Manly taking more games to the Central Coast.
If they are indeed proven unsustainable they will fall behind financially while non-Sydney teams push ahead. Currently this is not happening.

 

[siv]

Way in to increase crowds in Sydney is for the 9 Sydney teams to play each other twice

But you will need 18 teams

So that 9 regional team can play home and away

Then we can play 9 cross pool rounds for a 25 round comp

 

[myrrh ken]

Does no one remember 1997?

Perth Reds went bankrupt from the airfares and the 10-12K crowds. Tell me how well Sunshine Coast is going to go?

 

[Marlins]

Does no one remember 1997?

Perth Reds went bankrupt from the airfares and the 10-12K crowds. Tell me how well Sunshine Coast is going to go?

That was 20 years ago. The NRL has a lot more money and Perth had a lot of potential. The sunny coast is one of the fastest growing regions in Qld if not Australia with a pop of 330k and rising. By 2030 it is that sunny coast will have over 500k.

 

[myrrh ken]

Super league looked pretty good too when it first came in. A truly national compeititon with most Australian regions represented. But when the new teams got hammered, the novelty wore off for those fans pretty quickly and numbers dropped off.

The majority of your new league is made up of totally new teams with zero historical background/ fan base in totally new markets - highly risky. How many years would you keep throwing money at it for?

 

[Perth Red]

As long as it took. Same would have been said for swans, now they are the best supported club in Sydney. As long as it is tarategically planned and budgeted for then it isn't an issue. Afl propping up new clubs isn't causing problems for other afl clubs because they had a plan. Even in 1997 we didn't have a plan, we chucked in 4 clubs and hoped they'd go ok, saddling one of them with conditions bound to lead to failure. SL obviously skewed the viability issue but it is lucky we have any of the 4 clubs left, all of them had major problems for their first years.

You do realise that every club in the NRL, at some point had zero history and fanbase don't you? Lol you have to start somewhere.

 

[myrrh ken]

My point is the proposed league is based almost entirely of new clubs. so you'll have to prop the whole thing.

Technically the Rams and the mariners were the only new teams in sl and they're no longer around

 

[RoosTah]

I believe NSWRL fans want there own NSW competition and not be part of the NRL.

Mate, we really don't... we're competing in an increasingly interconnected and competition national and even transnational space. The LAST thing we need is for the NSWRL to regress back to what it was 40 years ago...

If we were a country of 80 million people, NSW had 3 cities with a million+ people and Rugby League was our biggest game by far like the NFL is in the states, then yeah conferences like that would work, but not in a country as small and fractured as ours with arguably the most competitive football market per capita in the world.

 

[Marlins]

Nrl is stuck between wanting to be
NSWRL 80's and wanting to be NFL
Can't have both.
Cut a few Sydney clubs and put the
National in NRL.
While we still have 10 NSW teams we will never be National Rugby League we are still NSWRL. That's the way I see it.

 

[alien]

Way in to increase crowds in Sydney is for the 9 Sydney teams to play each other twice

But you will need 18 teams

So that 9 regional team can play home and away

Then we can play 9 cross pool rounds for a 25 round comp

Do you think it would be good if they brought in Ipswich Jets and Redcliffe Dolphins?

 

[siv]

Do you think it would be good if they brought in Ipswich Jets and Redcliffe Dolphins?

Yes both bring history and address a issue that we should have 4 teams in Brisbane

Do they both come in advance of Perth and NZ Wellington is the big question

But a business case could be written for their merits

 

[The Mad Hatter]

From another thread but this is what I said there::

I truly believe if distribution was right you'd have:

North shore and peninsula - Manly
South - Cronulla
City - roosters
ANZ - Souths, dogs
Parramatta
Penrith
Wollongong / South coast - Saints
Macarthur, Campbelltown - Tigers.

Sydney is huge. It can cater to all these teams if the NRL gets it right.

 

[alien]

Yes both bring history and address a issue that we should have 4 teams in Brisbane

Do they both come in advance of Perth and NZ Wellington is the big question

But a business case could be written for their merits

Well that would be 4 teams in South East QLD, including Gold Coast Titans.

 

[alien]

From another thread but this is what I said there::

I truly believe if distribution was right you'd have:

North shore and peninsula - Manly
South - Cronulla
City - roosters
ANZ - Souths, dogs
Parramatta
Penrith
Wollongong / South coast - Saints
Macarthur, Campbelltown - Tigers.

Sydney is huge. It can cater to all these teams if the NRL gets it right.

If we started a national comp from scratch, I would have 6 Sydney clubs, including Wollongong and Central Coast:

Central Sydney
Cronulla Sutherland - Wollongong
North Shore - Manly - Central Coast
Parramatta
Penrith
Liverpool Macarthur

 

[siv]

Dont really consider the Central Coast and Manly being one club only the Patonga ferry links the two regions