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Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

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soc123_au

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I get what you are saying Whall. Sadly politics & self interest will never allow it to happen.
 

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Over the last 40 years only a tiny percentage of what our military has been involved in involved a shooting war. Even at the height of Iraq and Afghanistan only a small % of our military saw combat.

Peace keeping, disaster relief, these kinds of things take up a much greater portion of their time compared to war.
 

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There is a whole lot more to infantry training than killing. Humans know how to kill without military training. Sure, all the skills learned are basically geared to enable you to kill an enemy, but they are also practical skills that are useful in many other areas. The most important part of it is mental. Self discipline, respect, mental toughness, handling adverse situations etc are all invaluable in civilian life. I got heaps out of my 3 years & have managed to not kill or injure anyone since I got out.

Yet

Haven't killed or injured anyone yet

My uncle was in the army for 25 years

Never a shot fired in anger
 

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I know where my skills lie, and I can be a lot more good to this country in areas other than combat. No draft.
 

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I know where my skills lie, and I can be a lot more good to this country in areas other than combat. No draft.

Where do you think you'd be most useful?

Me? I'd be angling for role in media relations/public relations, or some realm of communications at a pinch.
 

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Without having thought about it specifically, in a wartime environment where the rules are changed I'd say anything surrounding logistics, problem solving, negotiation. If a draft occurred but we weren't threatened necessarily then law, administration/public service, implementation of programs in the changed evironment. Keeping the homeland ticking over.
 

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Without having thought about it specifically, in a wartime environment where the rules are changed I'd say anything surrounding logistics, problem solving, negotiation. If a draft occurred but we weren't threatened necessarily then law, administration/public service, implementation of programs in the changed evironment. Keeping the homeland ticking over.

Thats the thing, the Army isnt stupid. In the event someone like you were drafted it would be highly unlikely they would be used as cannon fodder. They dont do aptitude testing for shits & giggles.
 

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That's not an end game, that's just the end.

How do they intend to get there without being wiped off of the face of the Earth?

Like I said, it seems like they are angling towards nuking over a billion people as the only acceptable long term outcome for them.

I'm not sure what you mean, but Israel has for nearly 50 years been eradicating Palestinians with a fair degree of precision and intent. Note they are not interested in moving out of their area; they've only centered on reestablishing the kingdom boundaries as per the dimensions it held in the time of King David.

If by end game you mean how do they finally complete their task? Well... they're doing it now. Missiles over the wall and blow the shit out of the people on the other side.

Noone is going to stop them. Who would? The second you touch Israel, the U.S. come running and pound the war drum. Its a cleverly constructed situation.

There is more to the Army than Infantry. Being drafted doesn't always mean the pointy end of the firing range. It takes approximately 9 non combatants to keep an Infantryman in the field and at an acceptable stage of readiness. In saying that those 9 need to be trained in how to use a rifle & be prepared to if required.

This is true. I suppose I consider myself at the right age, with the right physical build, with the right level of adherence to authority and the right level of potential aggression / fight in me to know that if I went into the testing, they'd stick me in a platoon.

I may not, but I suspect I'm right and if a draft was had, I'd be given a gun and told to shoot it at people.

And that scares me. A lot. I love my wife and kid too much to want to die in such circumstances. It isn't death that scares me; its leaving behind my kid without a father and the damage it will do to her and the strain it will place on my wife without me being around.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean, but Israel has for nearly 50 years been eradicating Palestinians with a fair degree of precision and intent. Note they are not interested in moving out of their area; they've only centered on reestablishing the kingdom boundaries as per the dimensions it held in the time of King David.

If by end game you mean how do they finally complete their task? Well... they're doing it now. Missiles over the wall and blow the shit out of the people on the other side.

Noone is going to stop them. Who would? The second you touch Israel, the U.S. come running and pound the war drum. Its a cleverly constructed situation.

Israel wipes out the Palestinian presence in the Former British mandate of Palestine. Ok, congratulations on that front.

But then what? Israel is still surrounded in a sea of people hostile to them. A sea of hostile people who only play nice because of the threat of Israels nukes and American intervention, who are drowning in virtually inexhaustible oil supplies. People who live in nations Whose importance in terms of geopolitics extends far beyond that of assuaging western guilt for the Holocaust and acting as a thorn in the Arab states sides.

America is clearly not as interested in projecting its power any more. So, what happens to Israel in 100 years time when America cbf with the Middle East? Nukes are great but you can bet your bottom dollar an Islamic state besides Pakistan will also be packing by that time, so now we have a MAD situation. They won't always have America to protect them. The Islamic lobby will also grow in power in the states and AIPAC will probably not be as influential as the years go by. New world powers like China and India don't have a Jewish lobby.

I'm not talking next year or the year after, I am talking quite literally about the long term future of Israel. It's all good and well setting up some fairyland tale from the Bible, but what's going to happen when they're done?

So what's the long term plan, wipe out Muslims entirely?
 
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