Ultrathread II: BF free since 83.

[Misanthrope]

Hear! Hear!

Down with tank tops!

Up with mini skirts!

 

[Drew-Sta]

lol.

The wage equality one gets me all the time.

Women are more educated than men.

Women choose lower paid jobs than men, or women choose to have babies and then stall their career as a consequence.

'The Patriarchy' is holding women down because we earn more.

 

[Misanthrope]

I've debated that one long and hard before. A lot of women (but not all, obviously) choose to take jobs that pay less in favour of being able to be with their families. There's nothing wrong with that, but to complain about it like it's being forced on people is stupid.

The pay gap is only an issue when it's a man and a woman doing the exact same job and getting paid differently.

 

[whall15]

lol.

The wage equality one gets me all the time.

Women are more educated than men.

Women choose lower paid jobs than men, or women choose to have babies and then stall their career as a consequence.

'The Patriarchy' is holding women down because we earn more.

That's a pretty myopic view Drew. Whilst I'll certainly concede that the ~70cent argument is a bit of myth, when adjusted for the factors that you mentioned there is still a discrepancy of around 7 cents and when you consider the incredibly large sample size involved it is an injustice.

Your point about education is also wrong. Whilst women are currently over-represented in higher education (and that gap is widening), it is a relatively recent development and as such it hasn't quite yet flown through to positions of seniority due to the historical imbalance.

 

[Dragon2010]

Plus. Education =/= experience or ability to survive in the real world. Being book smart is one thing, but being able to apply knowledge, preform, and carry-out said tasks are totally different.

 

[Misanthrope]

My co-worker here and I watched (rewatched, in my case) Side Effects the other night. It's about prescription medication and side effects, although it's a thriller so it goes off the rails shortly thereafter.

Anyway, we got talking about the premise of the film: should doctors be blindly prescribing medication?

Having been dealing with clinical depression/MDD for much of my adult life, I've found it frightingingly easy to walk into a GP, tell him I'm depressed, and walk out with a month's prescription to something.

That didn't work? Here's something new!

I've had doctors try to prescribe me the same pills that didn't work 4-5 months ago when they prescribed them.

Her argument was that you don't need medication to deal with depression. Of course, she has no f**king idea what she's talking about. So many people confuse 'being depressed over something' and 'depression'. They're wildly different beasts.

That being said, I did agree that not nearly enough thought is put into what we're prescribing or even if the person needs the prescription. It's just a kind of 'throw SSRIs at it and see if they stick' approach to mental health treatment.

It's pretty disgusting tbh. In the five years since I was formally diagnosed, I've gone through about 7-8 therapists and 5-6 medications, none of which have done jack. I'm one of the lucky ones who has a support network to fall back into when I can't drag myself out of bed, but that's not true of the thousands of mentally ill homeless people who aren't getting even the slightest attention.

The state of mental health care in Australia is pretty dire, but at least the PBS and the mental health plan give us something.

Not sure how it can be remedied, but it's a f**king sorry state of affairs.

 

[afinalsin666]

Mental health in general seems to be pretty wild west. There's so much we don't understand, so the only way to sort shit is to chuck pills at it.

I agree that there isn't enough discretion used with head pills though. My brother, who is a big guy, got put on a pill that the main side effect is weight gain. He put on insane amounts of weight with no change to diet, which just worsened his anxiety instead of helping it. Goes back to the doctor, they up his dosage, so he felt better, but still kept gaining weight. He went off them, and now he doesn't leave the house, but his weight is slowly coming back under control.

 

[Misanthrope]

A travel blogging friend and I are contemplating getting Vegas married next February, since doing it is on both of our bucket lists.

I'm sure Drew and my mother won't approve, but I think it'll be a hoot. Plus, cards on the table, I think the wedding night could be pretty fun too :lol:

Hoggmaster will be my best man by default, but whose down to be a groomsman? :sarcasm:

 

[whall15]

Bad news Mis.

By Ben Botkin
Las Vegas Review-Journal

It's $14 more expensive to get married in the wedding capital of the world.

Clark County commissioners on Tuesday approved raising the marriage license fee and putting the money toward efforts to market the Las Vegas wedding tourism industry.

The decision increases the total cost of a marriage license to $77.

The next step is for County Clerk Lynn Goya, who sought the increase, to work with the wedding industry and Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority on how best to spend the money. The plan will be submitted to county commissioners within 90 days.

It's part of a long-term effort to preserve and grow the Las Vegas area's reputation as the wedding capital of the world. The wedding industry brought a $2 billion economic impact to the region in 2013, and 4 percent of visitors to Las Vegas come to attend a wedding, according to the convention authority.

"When people come to Las Vegas, they also stay in our hotels and eat in our restaurants," Goya told commissioners. "It's a really broad-based industry."

But wedding bells are ringing less often in Las Vegas these days. The number of marriage licenses issued hasn't kept pace with overall visitor volume. Marriage licenses hit a peak of 128,250 in 2004 and have since dropped by 37 percent to 80,738 licenses in 2014, according to data Goya presented commissioners. That's an average decrease of 3,500 marriage licenses per year.

That extra $14 a marriage license translates into about $1.1 million a year in revenue for marketing.

It's unclear yet what the money will go toward, but options include advertising, visiting wedding industry trade shows, and targeting wedding planners outside the region who specialize in destination weddings.

Las Vegas is famous for its quaint, low-budget wedding chapels. But high-end wedding planners want to get involved, too.

Rissa Gunderson, co-owner of Scheme Wedding & Event Design, told commissioners that the region is losing out on luxury weddings that cost six figures and beyond.

Tourists made up 82 percent of the marriage licenses in 2014. Three-fourths of them were from the United States.

While its numbers are down, the county continues to be a popular spot for getting hitched. Its 80,738 marriage licenses still outpace those issued in other counties with larger populations, including Los Angeles County, and Cook County, Ill., home to Chicago.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/clark-county-raises-marriage-license-fee-14

 

[Misanthrope]

$14!? That tears it! The wedding is off!

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

$14!? That tears it! The wedding is off!

Sacred commitment indeed!

 

[Misanthrope]

:sarcasm:

The piece of paper is meaningless bureaucracy. The sacred element is between you and your foodslave.

 

[Misanthrope]

So, are those booing Goodes racist? Or is it just people showing their frustration at an unlikable on field personality?

 

[Drew-Sta]

I don't get how booing someone is racist. Does that mean there's a lot of racists who support St George?

The logic makes no sense.

 

[Misanthrope]

I don't get how booing someone is racist. Does that mean there's a lot of racists who support St George?

The logic makes no sense.

That's my thinking too. They're booing him because he's a petulant child who is aboriginal. If it were racism, you'd imagine all/most aboriginal players would be being booed instead of just him.

I boo Slater because he's a shitmerkin. I don't have a problem with geniused jockeys as a group.

 

[Drew-Sta]

I think we've gone a bit 'over PC' in our nation. We molly coddle people. I'm all for preventing bullying. But since when have we stopped calling a spade, a spade?

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

I think people genuinely dislike Goodes. It reminds me of what Sam Tomkins went through at Wigan, gun footballer but the home crowd hated his diving + tactics and unrelentingly booed him. Same can be said for Goodes, but since he had those serious racial issues last year a lot of people are going to say that it is purely a vehicle to display racist views towards Indigenous Australians.

 

[Misanthrope]

I think we've gone a bit 'over PC' in our nation. We molly coddle people. I'm all for preventing bullying. But since when have we stopped calling a spade, a spade?

Spade?

Spade?

You racist mother-f**ker!

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[Didgi]

People generally dislike him because he's an utter tosspot. This materialises in one of two ways - booing or racial abuse. The two are separate reactions to the same cause, him being a wanker, not him being black.

If the racial stuff had never occurred it wouldn't even be a question.

 

[Red Bear]

I think for most it's just what occurs at a sporting event. You boo different players, for 90 odd minutes everyone wearing the wrong clothes is a merkin.

But, Goodes did call out someone giving him racist abuse. The booing has increased enormously since then. People aren't comfortable with the idea of deep seated racism, which still exists in this country. Look at the columns of spanner's like Andrew Bolt for example.

It's also not like I have experienced any particular discrimination in my life, it's hard to judge how someone who may well have dealt with it for many years before making a stand feels.

(From reports at the grounds there was some pretty vile abuse going on as well).

And I think this is where some of the arguments about booing others as well fall down. Those guys might've been booed for a while, including jobe watson after his admission to PED use (or whatever it was), or Harvey or others for being dirty players over a long time. They didn't call out racism from someone and then get subjected to a ramp up in crowd abuse.

I don't think booing itself is racist, and i think the majority of sporting fans couldn't care what the background of the players is. I also think it's naieve to think there isn't a racial element, however small, in the reaction to Goodes.

An unfortunate side effect is that he's now a protected species and can get away with some diving and snipey tactics.