Video Refs at it again

[nqboy]

I thought that Linnett clearly scored in the game afterwards in just getting his hand to the ball before Uate. In fact based on the replays that I saw I know that he did. So how Steve Clark came up with a drop out to Uate is beyond me.

I didn't raise the Linnett no-try because I didn't want the thread becoming a Cowboys Whinge but I thought it was a clear try as well. I suppose if I don't complain now when we won, it's going to sound pretty bad when we lose a close one with a similar decision even though the complaint is absolutely justified. (The other reason I didn't want to complain about the refs denying us a fair try was that we denied ourselves about 4 or 5 tries in the first half with diabolical finishing).

The Leilua try was clear cut as he had the ball in his forearm while the Warriors hooker was just diving at it, the ball was touching his muscles. It was simultaneous at worst, and I always thought Leilua had more control over it. In saying that, the Johnson try was also a definite. I'm just glad they sent the benefit to the attacking teams.

I saw a view on FSN this morning that I didn't see last night and that was a lot closer than anything I saw last night, but, without seeing it again to check, I'd still have to say No Try. Just not enough there to give it.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

Iafeta, you keep saying that Mara had possession of the ball when Leilua got to it. What footage were you watching?

 

[Iafeta]

Fox Sports. You? Its quite clear. Mara shoulders his way to the ball first, he gets down there first, he gets the ball, he comes up with the ball. He had possession.

 

[sputneek]

I saw a view on FSN this morning that I didn't see last night and that was a lot closer than anything I saw last night, but, without seeing it again to check, I'd still have to say No Try. Just not enough there to give it.

Fair enough. A contentious call it's only logical most of us will see if different. I'm sure all the video refs would give it differently too. I agree with Timmah though, it was simultaneous at worst. Try 100% imo.

Fox Sports. You? Its quite clear. Mara shoulders his way to the ball first, he gets down there first, he gets the ball, he comes up with the ball. He had possession.

:lol:

 

[Raidersrawesome]

They both wrap their arms around the ball at the same time.

Its clear in the footage

 

[Iafeta]

Interesting attila. Look at the youtube link you posted. 5 seconds in. Mara not only has his arm on the ball, he also has his hand on the ball. Leulia's right arm is close, but not in possession clearly, given his right hand is below the below with all five fingers pointing down trying to make a catch. Mara then pulls the ball into his chest as it goes to ground, at which point Leulia has also got hold of the ball. First possessoin is Warriors.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

Iafeta, if your name were Bunniesman, that statement would attract copious amounts of ridicule. Saying Mara had possession before Leilua got to the ball, you must be taking the piss.

 

[Lego_Man]

If you bag that try, why not bring up the Shaun Johnson one which was pretty much the same situation?

 

[Miller was a legend]

Linnet no try was ridiculous. Should have been BOTD at worse

 

[Valheru]

The first one was a definite no-try. Mara got there fractionally ahead of the ugly merkin from the Roosters, assumed possession, as they went to ground, merko touches on the ball... if you are going to give that a try, it will open up a massive can of worms. Fullbacks getting trapped in goal will have to make sure the ball is up off the ground incase a fluky opponent at the same time has a fingernail on the ball. Going off last nights ruling, that would be classed as a try, simultaneous put down, attacking player gets the oranges. Last night's decision made no allowance for the fact that Mara had possession of the ball first.

Lol you keep telling yourself that.

You won off the back of crap officiating, I know it, you know it.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Most geniused thread, ever. Both Leilua and Mara grounded the ball simultaneously. As such the BotD goes to the attacking team.

As simple a decision as they come, because the rule is clear cut. Exactly how someone can dispute the footage on this one boggles the mind.

 

[Sam_the_man]

Lol you keep telling yourself that.

You won off the back of crap officiating, I know it, you know it.

What was the penalty count in this match? I don't know myself so am asking in general.

 

[AuckMel]

What was the penalty count in this match? I don't know myself so am asking in general.

9-7 to the Warriors

Isn't Perenara a refreshing change to what we've been subjected to? ;-)

 

[Iafeta]

I don't know if it is him or Lyons, but some of their calls were plain geniused last night. Minichiello plays the ball to the grandstand, its called a knock on (its a penalty), Vatuvei drops the ball in the ruck, some phantom foot is penalised from the Roosters... The forward packs in that game were mean, I wish the referees would get to that same level.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Most geniused thread, ever. Both Leilua and Mara grounded the ball simultaneously. As such the BotD goes to the attacking team.

As simple a decision as they come, because the rule is clear cut. Exactly how someone can dispute the footage on this one boggles the mind.

Simultaneous does not count when one person has possession at that stage. So as said before, from now on if a fullback is trapped in goal they should flip him, get the ball near the ground then put a hand on it. Try.

 

[Pierced Soul]

If you think Leilua had more control there's no hope for you.

"control" hasnt been in the definition for years - thank bill harrigan for that. old school followers would talk about control in grounding, now it's "separation", if there's no separation and a finger is sliding off a ball coming into contact with the ground thats seen as good enough

Simultaneous does not count when one person has possession at that stage. So as said before, from now on if a fullback is trapped in goal they should flip him, get the ball near the ground then put a hand on it. Try.

is the case you're talking about i dont think either has clear possession of the ball, hence why it would have been simultaneous.

personally i'd love to see control used as the yardstick

 

[Constraint]

Most geniused thread, ever. Both Leilua and Mara grounded the ball simultaneously. As such the BotD goes to the attacking team.

As simple a decision as they come, because the rule is clear cut. Exactly how someone can dispute the footage on this one boggles the mind.

Presuming you feel just a little silly now.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Mara caught the ball, Leilua had a slap at it. No comparison and the issue of simultaneous grounding doesn't come up at all. At the time that Leilua is "forcing" the ball, Mara HAS the ball.

No comparison to the Johnson one except that in that case Johnson is the "Mara" i.e. again, Johnson clearly has possession of the ball.

 

[Izz]

http://www.nrl.com/official-view-slater-binning-the-right-call/tabid/10874/newsid/67422/default.aspx

What were your thoughts on Joseph Leilua's try for the Roosters against the Warriors? Did he and the Warriors defender both ground the ball simultaneously?

This is probably the toughest call we have had all year. After looking at it many times in slow motion and all the different angles, we believe the decision to award a try was wrong. We don’t believe Leilua had possession of the ball, he did get his hand on the ball, but the Warriors’ player grounds it with his arm. We believe that it was the wrong call. It should have been a line dropout.

 

[WayneBennett]

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