Vs Panthers round 16

[Chins]

Was a bit of a shame about your injuries yesterday. Was still a good game and I do think we would have just got you anyways but yeah.
Good luck for the rest of the year, hopefully we meet in the GF.

 

[Blair]

2019 since Panthers last in NZ!

42m on our first set.
47m for Panthers.

Nearly 40/20 for Metcalf and pin them in their 20m for their set.
6 again on their 30m, got scrapy and double knock on, ours first by Telfa.
6 again for Panthers as Warriors inside the 10m on our 40m.
Penrith have us pinned inside our 30m for a few sets.
6 again as Niukore In the play the ball.
Sorensen held up over line on last tackle, great tackle by CNK.
Niukore dazzed after MGF head clash in tackle.
CHT throwing himself at kicker and penalised 25m out after a nice tackle on Panthers half.
Panthers put ball down, then hold back DWZ from getting ball and push and shove starts.
Penalty to Warriors, start on halfway.

Warriors penalised not square 20m out, Panthers start 45m line.
6 again for Panthers, Warriors in ruck again. Ref must want them to roll out rather than play dead.
Panthers in the corner, MGF missed the tackle and SWZ had to come in.

0-4 18mins

Leg pull by Panthers in RTS after a half break, start on halfway.
Ford scores next to the post! Backing up Halasima throwing himself into the completion for the bomb surrounded by Panthers making a wall who knock on bomb and Ford regains.

4-6 22mins


Halasima slips and Panthers go through the gap, some great scramble to shut it down, leota held up. Bunker reviewing shows CHT knock on in jump, Panthers scrum 10m out.
Panthers force a dropout. Ford regathered a bouncing ball and earns a penalty, starting halfway. Niukore out with failed HIA.
Laban just stopped on a great angle run.
Panthers kickout on full on their 40m.
We can't buy a 6 again in the ruck.
Panthers knock down a pass, 15m out.
Panthers take ball dead off Metcalfe bomb.
Watched the ball bounce over 10m and Panthers reather then get a penalty for holding down in tackle, Panthers on their 45m.
Panthers knockon 40m out.
Panthers lose ball 10m out, challenged, no camera angle to see lost ball or strip. WTF
Is he refing both sides? All Panthers in front of try line, so easy to see. Then a 24m tap restart by them?
Panthers lose ball 8m out.
DWZ limping in defensive line, can't get Sorenson and CNK slips off.

6-8 39mins

Replay shows hip drop by Sorenson on DWZ to injure ankle. DWZ gone for game.

Halftime.

First Panthers kick short and regathers, and kick, and RTS just in front to ground in goal. TMM regathers the dropout.
Our player again held out of chasing ball as offload went to ground.
Panthers 2nd kick goes dead.
6 again for Warriors after ruck infringement, 40m out. 6 again, then knock on by Halasima 5m out.
Panthers lose ball, but looks like Egan knee in there. No Captains challenge. 25m out.
Metcalf short ball to Laban on a great angle to score.

12-8 48mins

Metcalfe injured but playing on, not taking conversion and CHT doing all kicks in play.
Bomb dropped by CNK under pressure, 20m out.
6 again, Warriors inside the 10m with Panthers 15m out.
Panthers held up over line, bomb goes up and Sorensen comes down and scores next to post.

12-14 57 mins

CHT bomb, looked knocked on by Panthers but called last, 2nd kick forces droppout that Panthers regather.
CHT bomb uncontested knocked on and accidentally offside by Panthers.
CNK last pass 5m out intercepted and Panthers on halfway.
Panthers score.

12-20 64mins

Sorensen with high shot in CNK, just penalty.
Get Metcalfe off if he no good. Poor kick Pompey pass back knocked on.
Penrith bomb left to bounce by RTS and CNK, and Panthers score.

12-26 71mins

Warriors penalised from RTS offside from kickoff.
Ford penalised for tackling player after he knocked it on.

12-28 74mins

Panthers get back short kickoff.
2nd high shot on CNK penalised.
Smith Knocks on.
Panthers force drop out, TMM gets it back.
MGF goes through a gap, nearly loses ball but scores

18-28 79mins

Such a poor game.

Phil, I know you hate 'taking the two' but that moment at 14-12 we probably should've. We lost posession - or bombed out or something - and they raced away to score. It really felt like game over there.

 

[Matua]

0-4 18mins

Leg pull by Panthers in RTS after a half break, start on halfway.
Ford scores next to the post! Backing up Halasima throwing himself into the completion for the bomb surrounded by Panthers making a wall who knock on bomb and Ford regains.

Sheesh mate, we deserved to get penalised, Halasima was just taking people out and not making a genuine attempt at the ball.

But, the good thing is we're now a good side that the NRL and TV peeps like so we get those calls go for us now.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Unusually positive coming from me, but I look back at this game now and I'm not too disconsolate about it, despite it looking like a horrendous loss on paper against such a weakened side.

Losing Niukore and DWZ for the game was major (yes even if you think DWZ sucks, having to reshuffle and only having 2 on the bench is still a big issue) and then you add in Metcalf being hobbled. 2 of their tries came directly through injured players - Sorenson through DWZ's channel after injuring him, Talagi past Metcalf who could barely move - and in Sorenson's case, was scored by a bloke who probably should have been in the bin.

Also I know talking about luck is lame, but it just wasn't our night generally. Jenkins' intercept when we were in for all money, the arsey try by Alamoti. Was just one of those nights.

There was just a hell of a lot that happened in that game that changed the dynamic from "top 4 side vs Origin depleted reserve graders" to more of an even match between two hobbled sides, with the Warriors having to adjust on the fly. Yeah, with a solid 80 minute performance we should've still won, but aside from the Sharks game we're still not a team who I expect to put it all together and win convincingly very often.

 

[Rich102]

Ah, the voice of reason. So often overcome by the noise of passion.
Luckily it didn't cost us too much on the ladder.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Sheesh mate, we deserved to get penalised, Halasima was just taking people out and not making a genuine attempt at the ball.

But, the good thing is we're now a good side that the NRL and TV peeps like so we get those calls go for us now.

Disagree on that. Penrith put players between him and the ball so he had to leap slightly early to have any chance at getting to it. That situation was created by the Penrith blockers, not Halasima.

 

[Matua]

Disagree on that. Penrith put players between him and the ball so he had to leap slightly early to have any chance at getting to it. That situation was created by the Penrith blockers, not Halasima.

You can't blame the opposition for that, it's their job, as long as they don't do it illegally. He just flew up taking people out.

I'm not complaining about the outcome, I'm glad we're now a team that gets the rub of the green (it's about f-ing time), but if that happened the other way the response on here would have been completely different.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Sheesh mate, we deserved to get penalised, Halasima was just taking people out and not making a genuine attempt at the ball.

But, the good thing is we're now a good side that the NRL and TV peeps like so we get those calls go for us now.

Felt he had eyes on the ball.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

You can't blame the opposition for that, it's their job, as long as they don't do it illegally. He just flew up taking people out.

I'm not complaining about the outcome, I'm glad we're now a team that gets the rub of the green (it's about f-ing time), but if that happened the other way the response on here would have been completely different.

If they put players in the way denying him a fair jump at it then it’s an illegal block play though. So however you interpret it it’s either going to be a penalty to us or play on.
It wasn’t a rub of the green call as much as the ref took the option that let play flow better, but either way the call would’ve been in our favour.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Felt he had eyes on the ball.

Also this. It was an optimistic attempt at best but Leka had the good sense to keep his eyes on the ball and hands up. Good football intelligence there.

 

[Beavers Headgear]

I’ve only seen it once, but from descriptions I’ve read here, Penrith players were standing still, so they aren’t running an escort, they are entitled to be there and you can’t just knock them out of the way. Doesn’t matter where your eyes are looking, any contact into them that effects the catcher taking the ball cleanly should be a penalty

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I’ve only seen it once, but from descriptions I’ve read here, Penrith players were standing still, so they aren’t running an escort, they are entitled to be there and you can’t just knock them out of the way. Doesn’t matter where your eyes are looking, any contact into them that effects the catcher taking the ball cleanly should be a penalty

He attempted to jump over them and catch the ball. He chased through on the kick and was going for it the whole time, the Penrith players were loitering in the way. The fact that they were in the way and he knocked them into the catcher isn’t his fault. They are entitled to stand there but they doesn’t mean Leka isn’t entitled to try and get to the ball.
anyway sounds like you didn’t actually rewatch the play? It’s on the match highlights on the NRL website, have a look for yourself.

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

I don’t know what the specific rules are but intuitively it seems reasonable to allow a player to compete for space as part of legitimately competing for the ball.

Would be consistent with the contest allowed for grubber kicks - no pushing, no grabbing but shoulder to shoulder body contact is fine if you’re legitimately after the ball.

As I say, I don’t know the actual rules and they may say otherwise. But seems fine in principle.

If the situation were reversed, but you could clearly see a legitimate attempt to compete for the catch, I’d have been fine with it against us too. Shitty at the score, but not at the ruling.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I don’t know what the specific rules are but intuitively it seems reasonable to allow a player to compete for space as part of legitimately competing for the ball.

Would be consistent with the contest allowed for grubber kicks - no pushing, no grabbing but shoulder to shoulder body contact is fine if you’re legitimately after the ball.

As I say, I don’t know the actual rules and they may say otherwise. But seems fine in principle.

If the situation were reversed, but you could clearly see a legitimate attempt to compete for the catch, I’d have been fine with it against us too. Shitty at the score, but not at the ruling.

That’s exactly how I interpreted it. Whats the alternative, players have to just stop and don’t compete because someone is standing in the way? That’s a terrible precedent because it means you’ve just given the green light to deliberate obstruction.