WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

The vision was bs that’s the point

super league was never about playing the game in China or it would’ve happened

The original proposal before it became a war wasn't, the grandiose stuff came about due to the war and hyping up the SL dream lol. If you go back to the original concept placed before the ARL it was pretty close to what we hopefully would have got to if ARL hadn't had the SL war and kept pushing where they were taking the game anyway. They knew they needed less Sydney clubs and more big city clubs.
If we could have thrown in PTV billions without the fight we could have been anything by now. Oh well water under the bridge.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Bears will not be the 18th team because they're unwilling to negotiate a fair deal. The only way it could work is by using the North Sydney Bears in the NSW Cup and selling the IP for Bears to Perth-based consortium so it can become the West Coast Bears, based solely in Perth.

Is there anything stopping a Perth-based consortium from naming themselves the West Coast Bears and having no connection with North Sydney Bears?

Unless North Sydney have copyrighted and trademarked "West Coast Bears" then I cannot see them having a legal case. That would be a great way of f**king off North Sydney for good.

 

[Canard]

Bears will not be the 18th team because they're unwilling to negotiate a fair deal. The only way it could work is by using the North Sydney Bears in the NSW Cup and selling the IP for Bears to Perth-based consortium so it can become the West Coast Bears, based solely in Perth.

Is there anything stopping a Perth-based consortium from naming themselves the West Coast Bears and having no connection with North Sydney Bears?

Unless North Sydney have copyrighted and trademarked "West Coast Bears" then I cannot see them having a legal case. That would be a great way of f**king off North Sydney for good.

The Bears as a brand is worthless to WA "without" the NS Link.

 

[Canard]

Like Gold Coast they are a necessary evil in the fight with AFL. If Tassie comes in as seems to be expected then Canberra will be club 20.

Any brainlet in this thread care to explain why the Raiders are "a necessary evil"?

What sort of cooked minds dream up this shit?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Bears as a brand is worthless to WA "without" the NS Link.

Any link with North Sydney will kill RL in Perth as it will be seen as a Sydney club.

A Perth-based consortium creating their own Bears brand has a chance of being accepted as a local team.

 

[Wb1234]

i am a big fan of this competition

It’s not bad that’s for sure

 

[Wb1234]

D

Any brainlet in this thread care to explain why the Raiders are "a necessary evil"?

What sort of cooked minds dream up this shit?

Small town
Little value to fta tv
Bit like your club tbh

clubs in Sydney or the broncos are the opposite

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

D

Small town
Little value to fta tv
Bit like your club tbh

clubs in Sydney or the broncos are the opposite

Cowboys are one of the most popular teams on FTA and PTV, regardless of their form. Even when they're finishing 2nd or 3rd last on the premiership ladder they're the sixth most watched team across Australia. When they're in the finals they are the third most watched team. Makes them more important than most of the Sydney clubs.

 

[siv]

So many falsehoods in your post.

FACT 1: Super League drew higher attendances than ARL.

Super League drew 12,347 vs 9,915 for ARL.

So how exactly were the "traditional" fanbases of the established NSWRL clubs more loyal?

They sure weren't loyal to their clubs during this period.

FACT 2: The expansion clubs drew better attendances in 1997 than the "traditional" NSWRL clubs.

Brisbane Broncos 19,298
North Queensland Cowboys 17,539
Auckland Warriors 15,442
Adelaide Rams 15,330

The best attended Sydney club in Super League was Cronulla Sharks at 13,558!

Canberra drew 11,622, whereas the second best attended Sydney club was Canterbury Bulldogs at a lousy 8,815!

Even the Perth Reds manage to draw 8,776, which was higher than Penrith Panthers at 7,673!

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 1997 (Super League)

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

That's just Super League, which pissed all over the ARL in attendances. The attendances for Sydney clubs in ARL were just as bad.

On the ARL side of the war we had Illawarra Steelers (8,695), Westerb Sydney Magpies (8,602), St George Dragons (7,222) and South Sydney Rabbitohs (5,287) draw lower attendances than the Perth Reds. Steelers weren't much older than the Broncos but drew less fans than the Reds and were still better attended than three long-standing NSWRL clubs.

The two stand out winners in ARL were Parramatta Eels (15,647) and Newcastle Knights (14,257). Knights were no older than the Broncos and from outside of Sydney but drew less than Adelaide Rams!

Parramatta Eels were behind Brisbane Broncos and North Queensland Cowboys but marginally ahead of Auckland Warriors and Adelaide Rams.

Manly Sea Eagles (11,816), North Sydney Bears (11,713), Balmain Tigers (10,355), Sydney City Roosters (9,430) and Gold Coast Chargers (8,958) were the best of the rest. South Queensland Crushers (7,003) were ahead of South Sydney!

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 1997

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

How many times do I have remind you

You cannot quote crowds in Sydney in the middle if the SL War and the period 97-99 when when fans voted with their feet and cash over super greed Pay-TV war

What you can quote is the 80,000 who marched against the cull of clubs in Sydney

Or the 30-50k crowds that will turn when scheduling is properly planned and the city us not in flood or covid

 

[siv]

Any link with North Sydney will kill RL in Perth as it will be seen as a Sydney club.

A Perth-based consortium creating their own Bears brand has a chance of being accepted as a local team.

Its a insurance policy for the NRL

Anyway Politus promused the Bears a franchise when he signed them up as a feeder club

 

[Colk]

How many times do I have remind you

You cannot quote crowds in Sydney in the middle if the SL War and the period 97-99 when when fans voted with their feet and cash over super greed Pay-TV war

What you can quote is the 80,000 who marched against the cull of clubs in Sydney

Or the 30-50k crowds that will turn when scheduling is properly planned and the city us not in flood or covid

Why not? Super League didn’t just happen in Sydney. People on here quote this same period as a reason why this area or that area doesn’t have enough support to warrant an NRL side (even though their crowd figures were higher), yet you are supposed to ignore this period when it comes to Sydney.

All of this ideological contortion simply because it doesn’t support your bias.

 

[Colk]

Its a insurance policy for the NRL

Anyway Politus promused the Bears a franchise when he signed them up as a feeder club

Who cares what Politis thinks or promises! The competition doesn’t need another NSW side.

 

[Wb1234]

Cowboys are one of the most popular teams on FTA and PTV, regardless of their form. Even when they're finishing 2nd or 3rd last on the premiership ladder they're the sixth most watched team across Australia. When they're in the finals they are the third most watched team. Makes them more important than most of the Sydney clubs.

Fta only cares about most Sydney clubs and the broncos

sure they get good ratings on fox but you don’t see them getting many prime time fta night games beamed back into Sydney like the broncos are every week

 

[Colk]

Fta only cares about most Sydney clubs and the broncos

sure they get good ratings on fox but you don’t see them getting many prime time fta night games beamed back into Sydney like the broncos are every week

Yeah but how many people are watching FTA now?

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah but how many people are watching FTA now?

It’s an important metric nontheless

the point I’m really trying to make is people always call for other clubs to get kicked out when it’s their own average clubs that should actually be punted if we are talking about too many teams

Canberra and the cowboys are hardly the pointy end when it comes to top nrl clubs

 

[siv]

Why not? Super League didn’t just happen in Sydney. People on here quote this same period as a reason why this area or that area doesn’t have enough support to warrant an NRL side (even though their crowd figures were higher), yet you are supposed to ignore this period when it comes to Sydney.

All of this ideological contortion simply because it doesn’t support your bias.

Because club fans who knew their club was not on chopping block would turn up

The rest were avoiding RL in protest

 

[Colk]

Because club fans who knew their club was not on chopping block would turn up

The rest were avoiding RL in protest

Yet you don’t use that same argument to advocate for the existence of clubs outside of Sydney? Why would people follow the Crushers, Reds or the Rams knowing that they were going to be chopped before any Sydney side would? Now not yourself or any Sydney RL acolyte has ever put forth this perspective.

Remember the SL war and the peace deal did much more damage to the code outside of Sydney than it did for Sydney.

 

[siv]

Yet you don’t use that same argument to advocate for the existence of clubs outside of Sydney? Why would people follow the Crushers, Reds or the Rams knowing that they were going to be chopped before any Sydney side would? Now not yourself or any Sydney RL acolyte has ever put forth this perspective.

Remember the SL war and the peace deal did much more damage to the code outside of Sydney than it did for Sydney.

Remember its was a regional club that started it all and caused all that regional collateral damage

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

How many times do I have remind you

You cannot quote crowds in Sydney in the middle if the SL War and the period 97-99 when when fans voted with their feet and cash over super greed Pay-TV war

What you can quote is the 80,000 who marched against the cull of clubs in Sydney

Or the 30-50k crowds that will turn when scheduling is properly planned and the city us not in flood or covid

WTF?

You're saying the only metrics that matter are ones that are favourable to your position?



80,000 people marching once doesn't mean shit when only 5k people were attending Redfern Oval to watch the Elmer Fudds in the late 90s. Revenue from attendances, merchandise and membership is what makes clubs strong. The fact many of Sydney's clubs were deserted by their fans during their time of need proves they're fairweather at best and not the dyed in the wool supporters teams need to survive through thick and thin. I've heard dumb as shit Cronulla fans claim they had 40k at the 2016 GF. Big bloody whoop. That's bandwagon support from people who probably haven't been to a game in years.

The fact an "event" game on ANZAC Day or Easter Friday / Sunday / Monday can draw 30k to 50k in Sydney is further proof that most of the people who attend these events are fairweather fans. They're just there for the occasion. The same two teams would draw 8k to 16k on a normal day.

Its a insurance policy for the NRL

Anyway Politus promused the Bears a franchise when he signed them up as a feeder club

It's ARLC doing what Arthurson and Quayle did. Putting sentimentalism and Sydney first because they're biased and too stupid to see beyond their own backyard.

Who gives a f**k what Politis said?

What authority does he have to grant the 18th licence to North Sydney?

Fta only cares about most Sydney clubs and the broncos

sure they get good ratings on fox but you don’t see them getting many prime time fta night games beamed back into Sydney like the broncos are every week

Cowboys are one of the highest drawing clubs on Ch9, hence the decent coverage they get on the network. Ch9 only cares about teams that draw strong ratings. Most Sydney clubs draw low ratings compared to the Cowboys.

Cowboys don't want Thursday or Friday games because many of their fans travel 6 to 8 hours each way. Playing a Cowboys game on Thursday and Friday eats into game day revenue.

It’s an important metric nontheless

the point I’m really trying to make is people always call for other clubs to get kicked out when it’s their own average clubs that should actually be punted if we are talking about too many teams

Canberra and the cowboys are hardly the pointy end when it comes to top nrl clubs

Except there's no evidence to support your claim. Cowboys draw better ratings across Australia on Ch9 than most Sydney clubs.

 

[Wb1234]

WTF?

You're saying the only metrics that matter are ones that are favourable to your position?



80,000 people marching once doesn't mean shit when only 5k people were attending Redfern Oval to watch the Elmer Fudds in the late 90s. Revenue from attendances, merchandise and membership is what makes clubs strong. The fact many of Sydney's clubs were deserted by their fans during their time of need proves they're fairweather at best and not the dyed in the wool supporters teams need to survive through thick and thin. I've heard dumb as shit Cronulla fans claim they had 40k at the 2016 GF. Big bloody whoop. That's bandwagon support from people who probably haven't been to a game in years.

The fact an "event" game on ANZAC Day or Easter Friday / Sunday / Monday can draw 30k to 50k in Sydney is further proof that most of the people who attend these events are fairweather fans. They're just there for the occasion. The same two teams would draw 8k to 16k on a normal day.



It's ARLC doing what Arthurson and Quayle did. Putting sentimentalism and Sydney first because they're biased and too stupid to see beyond their own backyard.

Who gives a f**k what Politis said?

What authority does he have to grant the 18th licence to North Sydney?



Cowboys are one of the highest drawing clubs on Ch9, hence the decent coverage they get on the network. Ch9 only cares about teams that draw strong ratings. Most Sydney clubs draw low ratings compared to the Cowboys.

Cowboys don't want Thursday or Friday games because many of their fans travel 6 to 8 hours each way. Playing a Cowboys game on Thursday and Friday eats into game day revenue.



Except there's no evidence to support your claim. Cowboys draw better ratings across Australia on Ch9 than most Sydney clubs.

Wow that’s an epic meltdown even for you

the cowboys are a great little club tucked away in far North Queensland

but they will never be another broncos lmao